[vpFREE] Re: Killing the Golden Deuce

 


Casinos like to see winners on losing games-like penny slots. It is good advertising. They do NOT like to see winners at winning games like BJ and VP.
Which is why you won't find a 10-6 or 9-7 JOB anywhere in the 2011 world. They are an extinct species; like the Dodo Bird.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@...> wrote:
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> OK Newbie here contributing to the argument...
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> Look, the winning player also benefits the Casino.
> Just like the Options and Futures Trader benefits
> the farmer by creating a market for them.
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> Winning players bring a lot of extra action to
> Casinos and smart ones take advantage of it.
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> At the Carnival, you see the Staff jumping up
> and down, celebrating when someone wins
> a big pink elephant.
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> They also loosen up their games if there aren't
> enough winners.
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> I'll tell you all a short version of something that
> happened to me in the 80s.
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> Vegas trip for college age kids, I was 22, they
> were all 21.
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> Six of us total.
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> We went out for the night.
> We hit the strip.
> We were driving downtown when we saw Stupak's
> Casino in the middle of nowhere and stopped.
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> The hotel was shaped like a giant slot machine.
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> We went inside.
> I was grinding out maybe $50 an hour on the
> blackjack tables, the only one in the house
> on them at 3 AM ish in the morning...
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> My friends were bored with all this 'strategy'
> stuff I had been preaching and when they
> didn't win right away, the walked around
> playing anything open, losing steadily.
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> Then one of my buddies sat down beside me
> ordered some chips and asked me what my
> card counting told him I should bet.
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> The Dealer and the Pit Boss had a quick
> conference and I was 86ed.
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> So my other five friends walked out with me.
> We took the rented Lincoln to Downtown
> where I continued to win at a much slower
> pace than they were losing.
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> For every one of us that's excited about grinding
> out a point or two out of the Casino's hide, there
> are 10-20 people who hear about it and try to do
> it without the discipline we have to use to win.
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> Most of my friends don't care if they lose $500
> at the Casino.  I do.
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> They play until it's gone, or they have to go to bed.
> Whatever comes first.
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> When I go to the Casino, they want to go with me.
> And I always win, they always lose.
> Almost always, but you know what I mean.
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> I have a reputation for winning.
> But I can't beat Blackjack anymore.
> That's why I am studying at your feet, Frank and Mickey.
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> So smart Casinos like South Point can see the
> benefit of having Mister Dancer teach VP and
> the M will take his advantage play, too.
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> Oh, and did you read that Mister D lost a lot
> more than the Land Rover he won was worth?
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> Most Casinos will take a fair shot at a pros
> money, no problem.
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> Unless you sting them too badly, cheat or take
> advantange some way, they aren't going to take
> your VP machines away.
>
> --- On Mon, 2/7/11, caplatinum <belairgold@...> wrote:
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> From: caplatinum <belairgold@...>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Killing the Golden Deuce
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 8:34 AM
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> What world are you living in Frank? The Palms is no longer the Palms - the 9/6 Jacks are gone - from the $1/2 multiplays - one day they will wake up and realize NSU Deuces pay better than 9/6 and be gone too. Already almost anything decent is excluded from promotions, the few machines that aren't are accidents not deliberate attempts to keep a few.
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> They had some decent stuff in the new room in the Mint and took them out You really believe the Palms want professional players?
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> They have taken actions against people just for winning even fairly.
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> Illegal use of bingo cards? Meaning these people can be prosecuted? or did they just violate Palms rules (which is still different than illegal) or did they technically comply with the rules but find a way around the intent?
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> You better believe it is us versus them because that is how the casinos see it - the Palms was not always like that, it is now - I don't blame them, their profit on people who inhabit this group is non-existant.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
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> > I just heard from a higher up at my sponsor the Palms, that the Bingo Card Promo was canceled due to illegal abuse from players seeking to make more than the promo was worth. They intended to keep it going until the players abused it.
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> > You should be ashamed, whoever you are. When a casino as nice as The Palms is to professionals, you don't seek to take even more than they are fairly offering. That's like what Christopher Columbus did on Hispaniola when he slaughtered the very natives that had rescued him and saved his life.
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> > http://www.danielnpaul.com/ChristopherColumbus.html
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> > There are fewer Casinos everyday that are friendly with good machines, and you kick them for it. Fooey on youee!
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> > If you don't have enough ethics to keep to legal gambling, please wander off into some other business and stop bringing down a bad reputation on ours.
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> > The VP pros I know and associate with, are not just the most honest gamblers I know, they are the most ethical and honest people I've ever known.
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> > When you deliberately break rules, you lower us to common criminals.
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> > All that is required to gain an advantage playing VP is:
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> > 1. Playing the right machines
> > 2. Playing correct strategy
> > 3. Playing at the right times (in the case of progressives or promos)
> > 4. A little hard work and dedication
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> > It not us against them. But if you treat it that way, it will make it that way.
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> > ~A teacher is to a student, like the water to the soil. He cannot grow a pomegranate from a mustard seed.
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> > ~FK
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