[vpFREE] Re: OT: Interesting article in Tuesdays LVRJ about civil cases again...

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kypat@... wrote:
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> Go Venetian!
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There have been squabbles over this in the past. The court fight will be over free speech rights and whether the sidewalk, even though the Venetian owns it, is a right of way/easement.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: machine's

 


I think I was right. I believe that by Law, the actual Casino has to divulge that information.

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

--- On Tue, 1/4/11, ukstages <takeme2london@gmail.com> wrote:

From: ukstages <takeme2london@gmail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: machine's
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 6:43 AM

 

examining the PAR sheet?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:

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> We have a winner!

>

> Bribing a slot technician, is correct for the second way.

>

> Anyone have the third?

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[vpFREE] Re: machine's

 


examining the PAR sheet?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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> We have a winner!
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> Bribing a slot technician, is correct for the second way.
>
> Anyone have the third?

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Re: [vpFREE] OT: Interesting article in Tuesdays LVRJ about civil cases against casinos.

 

Porn is not shoved in anyone's face.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Meredith And Kenny <
meredithandkenny@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> I believe, if 'indeed' this is Not a Private Property, then the ACLU has
> won the case already. If that is all the case hinges on, it shouldn't even
> be brought to trial.
> Not that I like these kinds of situations either. The laws should be that
> within City Limits, there is no Pan-Handling, Porn shoved in your Face or
> making $ arbitrarily, wherever you please without a designated area &
> without a license.
>
>

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Re: [vpFREE] OT: Interesting article in Tuesdays LVRJ about civil cases again...

 

Go Venetian!



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Re: [vpFREE] Re: machine's

 

Asking the gaming board for their audit record of the machine?

--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Frank <frank@progressivevp.com> wrote:

From: Frank <frank@progressivevp.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: machine's
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 10:15 PM

 

We have a winner!

Bribing a slot technician, is correct for the second way.

Anyone have the third?

There are three methods for determining modern slot return, that I know of, not all of them legal. Does anyone wish to speculate on what they are???

> > 1. Frequency Study

> > 2. Bribing a slot technician

> > 3. ?

Clue: the third is legal and 100% accurate.

~FK

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Re: [vpFREE] Best Randomness Analogy Contest

 


Sounds interesting, if I can find time in my schedule of thinking and choosing not to, I will certainly be game.

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

--- On Tue, 1/4/11, Frank <frank@progressivevp.com> wrote:

From: Frank <frank@progressivevp.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Best Randomness Analogy Contest
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 6:12 AM

 

I would like to start a contest for the best analogy to explain why it's a bad idea to look for patterns in random events. My own offering on the subject was Highway to Hell.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/110977

So far in life, I have never been able to bring anyone over to my side of thought, that patterns in randomness are meaningless, if they were of the belief that "everything happens for a reason". I'm not running this contest as a promotion, or even to necessarily to educate others. I would just really like to have a good indisputable way of explaining this for my own personal use.

I'll award a free copy of my book and Dan Paymar's OpVP. or $50 bucks credit on my website, which ever you prefer, as well as dinner for two with me. That is, if whoever wins it, would like to have dinner with me.

Post all month and then we'll vote on Feb 1st.

Try to keep this thread for single analogy entries, and post rebuttals or comments in a separate thread.

~Frank Kneeland www.progressivevp.com

P.S. If any of this is against vpFREE policy please ignore me.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: machine's

 


The Casino posts it.

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

--- On Tue, 1/4/11, Frank <frank@progressivevp.com> wrote:

From: Frank <frank@progressivevp.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: machine's
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 6:15 AM

 

We have a winner!

Bribing a slot technician, is correct for the second way.

Anyone have the third?

There are three methods for determining modern slot return, that I know of, not all of them legal. Does anyone wish to speculate on what they are???

> > 1. Frequency Study

> > 2. Bribing a slot technician

> > 3. ?

Clue: the third is legal and 100% accurate.

~FK

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[vpFREE] Re: machine's

 

We have a winner!

Bribing a slot technician, is correct for the second way.

Anyone have the third?

There are three methods for determining modern slot return, that I know of, not all of them legal. Does anyone wish to speculate on what they are???

> > 1. Frequency Study

> > 2. Bribing a slot technician

> > 3. ?

Clue: the third is legal and 100% accurate.

~FK

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[vpFREE] Best Randomness Analogy Contest

 

I would like to start a contest for the best analogy to explain why it's a bad idea to look for patterns in random events. My own offering on the subject was Highway to Hell.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/110977

So far in life, I have never been able to bring anyone over to my side of thought, that patterns in randomness are meaningless, if they were of the belief that "everything happens for a reason". I'm not running this contest as a promotion, or even to necessarily to educate others. I would just really like to have a good indisputable way of explaining this for my own personal use.

I'll award a free copy of my book and Dan Paymar's OpVP. or $50 bucks credit on my website, which ever you prefer, as well as dinner for two with me. That is, if whoever wins it, would like to have dinner with me.

Post all month and then we'll vote on Feb 1st.

Try to keep this thread for single analogy entries, and post rebuttals or comments in a separate thread.

~Frank Kneeland www.progressivevp.com

P.S. If any of this is against vpFREE policy please ignore me.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: machine's

 


haha ! Good one Mike, don't get me thinking on that one too much..hehe

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

--- On Tue, 1/4/11, Mike Starr <mike@writestarr.com> wrote:

From: Mike Starr <mike@writestarr.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: machine's
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 3:30 AM

 

Bribing a slot technician?

On 1/3/2011 6:19 PM, Frank wrote:

> We called it "Walking the Reels", and I can confirm that this is exactly how we did it. I believe I only had to do it twice, as I came in during the last days of slots as VP was already overshadowing it.

>

> Trying to Determine the return of chip controlled slots is called, "Doing a Frequency Study", and you only count, what lands on the pay-line.

>

> There are three methods for determining modern slot return, that I know of, not all of them legal. Does anyone wish to speculate on what they are???

>

> 1. Frequency Study

> 2. ?

> 3. ?

>

> ~FK

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Re: [vpFREE] OT: Interesting article in Tuesdays LVRJ about civil cases against casinos.

 


I believe, if 'indeed' this is Not a Private Property, then the ACLU has won the case already. If that is all the case hinges on, it shouldn't even be brought to trial.
Not that I like these kinds of situations either. The laws should be that within City Limits, there is no Pan-Handling, Porn shoved in your Face or making $ arbitrarily, wherever you please without a designated area & without a license.

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
My New Years Resolution is "That I will be less laz"

--- On Tue, 1/4/11, VpKing77 <vpking77@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: VpKing77 <vpking77@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] OT: Interesting article in Tuesdays LVRJ about civil cases against casinos.
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 4:36 AM

 

Sorry I can't copy it. They get upset when you post their articles.

It's about a lawsuit filed by a patron at the Hard Rcok. Security guards entered his room at 4am over an alleged domestic disturbance. They had the wrong room according to the defendant as he was alone. He was arrested for tresspassing by Metro and evicted from the room.

The second part of the article was more interesting. If you have been on the Strip lately you have seen people dressed as Superman, Transformers and other characters asking for donations to be photographed with them or just taking a picture. To my understanding that is not allowed. Most casinos don't do anything about them as they have same rights as porn slappers. The Venetian tries to claim that the sidewalk in fron to their casino is private property. A friend of mine who knows an ACLU lawyer says on the contrary their sidewalk is not private property. The Venetian unlike any other casino in town has been able to keep porn slappers and anybody else trying to do business off their sidewalk.

Two brothers dressed as Zorro and Darth Vader tried to challenge this premise. The Venetian security guards backroomed both of them for over 1 hour before throwing them off the property. The Venetian also called Metro to have them searched.

I am interested to see the outcome of this case. If the Venetian loses they have will same annoying porn slappers, street performers and hustlers working their sidewalk just like the rest of the Strip. I'm rooting for the Venetian. It's the only place you can walk on Las Vegas Boulevard and not be bothered. The ACLU rarely loses and this a federal lawsuit.

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[vpFREE] Re: Tuna the whole story

 

I have witnessed many horse and dog racing "positive" pools where buying every combination will give you a guaranteed win. You are missing the key difference between a vp jackpot and parimutual jackpot. You can buy a win, but if all the favorites come in you will have to split the jackpot with many others rendering your "positive" bet very negative.

The bet is positive when you have estimated your chances of winning will produce more than you are betting (positive expectation). The difference with handicapping is your ability to estimate your chance of winning may be poor and cannot be determined with the mathematical certainty of vp.

The pools often become large enough that even a poor handicapper will have a positive expectation. This even happens with the lottery.

Chris

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:
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>
> The second site gives some decent information.  However, to my knowledge I have never known a Pick 6 to be "positive" where you were guaranteed a win if you took every combination.  He probably used some handicapping and risk management skills to hit it but I would also say that he probably spent a lot buying all the combination that he needed to have a decent change of hitting it.
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> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > From: mickeycrimm@...
> > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 02:18:49 +0000
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tuna the whole story
> >
> > Another story I heard about Tuna is he once hit a Pick 6 Horse Racing ticket for a gargantuan sum of money. I know some of his history in video poker, slot progressives, video keno progressives, and he showed a big profit in tournament poker but if this story is true then maybe it would speak to his legend as an all-around strategic gambler.
> >
> > I knew nothing of Pick 6 horse racing and did a little googling. I was wondering what his betting strategy might have been. I found out that it had or has a progressive jackpot. I wonder if they went positive in those days, or still do? Some of the strategy used are in these two sites. Tuna must have used similar strategy:
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> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_6_(horse_racing)
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> > http://horseracingpicksix.com
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> > vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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RE: [vpFREE] Frank

 


Hi Howard,
I presume you are not Anna Nicole's Howard ? hehe..
No, I have not learn progressive yet. I only do DWVP (and occasionally DBVP) but, I am talking about DWVP.
That is good to know when I am ready for it..however, that does detract from the totally random theory.

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
My New Years Resolution is "That I will be less laz"

--- On Tue, 1/4/11, Howard W. Stern <howard.w.stern@earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Howard W. Stern <howard.w.stern@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Frank
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 4:27 AM

 

If we are talking about progressives, a royal should be hit more often as strategy adjustments are made.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Meredith And Kenny

Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:17 PM

To: vpFree Yahoo Group

Subject: [vpFREE] Frank

Hello,

I got to read your entire post, to my husband and it all made sense and thanks for that, however, it leads to more questions for myself (not Kenny, hehe)..I wonder who or why came up with the average of hitting a Royal every 30k hands came from ? If this is the case, I cannot comprehend that being random.

Thanks :-) I love to learn and I appreciate your expertise in this area,

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~

My New Years Resolution is "That I will be less laz"

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