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I don't think mailers are affected just by a royal or two or three or a single winning day or loss. Harrah's uses a long average for its mailers like usually 6 months. Some mailers may be affected by a 3 month or 12 mo average as well for Harrahs properties. For other places, mailers might be based on one month, two, three, etc. Most places use a combination of factors to determine mailers, including length of time played, amount of money put into a machine, theo loss of the machine, your actual win or loss, denomination of machine, plus total average for a certain length of time (like the 3 month or 6 month or 12 mo I mentioned). See more below....
At Caesars Vegas I have had all sorts of play, including many royals. Some of it has been on penny reels, some $1 3/5 play, one day $5 VP (where I happened to have big wins), all over the place. Up until jan. I generally tried to put 2500 points on per day, so I would get the 5000 point bonus. Mailers I receive now for various events from Caesars and some from sister Vegas properties have been all over the place too, sometimes offers included $50 free play (or things like Macys cards or Lowes cards)9 sometimes $750, sometimes $1000. I believe this variety is that some offers we're based on 3 mo averages while others on 12 mo averages and others on specific play at specific Caesars properties.
Most places are basing offers on a combination of factors, including theoretical loss, actual win/loss, hours played, total money though, etc. It is the whole package.
One thing I am certain of, after having had a bad period of NoMail previously at Harrahs Vegas properties, watch out for Zero play days. Every time u go to a Diamond Lounge you are tripped. So if you play on one day at say Rincon and then don't play but eat at a Diamond lounge or use points for food on days 2 and 3, you end up with 2 zero play days plus one play day.
My bad experience has changed the way I now play at Harrahs Vegas.
Harrahs also bases offers on the length of time u play. Now to increase my time I stick a card into the machine next to the one I'm playing, play a hand every few minutes to keep it going, but basically I'm just increasing my length of time playing.
I now totally watch out to avoid any zero play days. If I want to go to the diamond lounge or use points for food at a Harrahs property I also play on that day. If my husband isn't playing and wants to go to the diamond lounge while I am playing, I take him over there and show my card to let him in, instead of him showing his 7 star card and getting tripped (and earning a zero play day).
If I have to book a room for an offer in Vegas, I play on the day I check in and check out that night, thus having one day of play, avoiding any chance of being tripped or zero tripped for checking out in the morning (I'm going home to sleep in my own bed).
A major player like MGM or Harrahs just isn't going to care about a couple of royals in the total scheme of things. But if u go and get free play or macys cards and don't play at all or hit the diamond lounge and don't play or eat with points and don't play! after a few of these visits mixed in with a few playing trips (win or lose) that is when the dreaded no mail may come into affect.
Or say you hit a royal early and stop playing, you won't have accumulated many hours or much in the way of theoretical loss. Also play on some machines is now being set at a theoretical loss of zero in some casinos, no matter how much you play, you never get any credit for playing. So you play on that bad machine and then eat at the diamond lounge, and bingo, you are hit with a zero play day! It didn't matter whether you hit a royal or lost your shirt!
Or maybe they combine theoretical loss with actual win/loss to come up with your average, or let's guess they combine hours played-they loss-real win/loss-time played. Let's say they take 4 factors into account. You played 1/2 an hour, hit a royal, played on a machine with 0 theos loss, won $4000 and walked away happy. Your 4 factors for your mailer are low time, win $4000 you took home, zero theoretical loss, and didn't put through much money -- 4 bad factors for you, and you get a low mailer. Someone else plays 4 hours on a machine with 1% theos loss and wins a $4000 royal, and then walks away with the same $4000 in their pocket. They get a much bigger mailer than u because they had 8 times more minutes played, thus put through at least 8 times more money in the machine, that machine had a 1% versus 0 theos loss, and you both won $4000 you took home.
The fact that a Royal was hit made no difference, neither did winning, it was the combo of factors.
So those of you reporting a slump in your mailers after hitting a royal or two or three might want to think about these other factors. What really is causing the change?
Avoid zero play days, play longer, perhaps play a little on reels to bump up your they loss rate, try to play more consistently over time to get more consistent mailers.
If you have truly been Nomailed it may be difficult to get back on the mailing list. I had to go to higher management and show I'd been playing (and losing) to get off the Harrahs Vegas NoMail list.
But in my experience for most casinos just hitting some royals or having a great win day where you take home thousands of dollars is not going to suddenly have them stop mailers.
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