FWIW I have had a few dealt royals but have yet not had a redraw royal.
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FWIW I have had a few dealt royals but have yet not had a redraw royal.
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Mickey wrote: "I played vp heavily for about ten years doing 1 to 1.5 million hands per year. My guess on dealt royals is somewhere around a dozen and a half. I've hit royals every way they can be hit. But the one that took the longest to come to fruition was throwing five cards away and coming up with a royal. It took me ten years to do it. It occurred on a spin poker. And its the only royal I've ever made that way. "
The infamous redraw royal, those are even harder to get. The redraw hits used to be fun on multiplays due to a certain feature which has been removed.
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I played vp heavily for about ten years doing 1 to 1.5 million hands per year. My guess on dealt royals is somewhere around a dozen and a half. I've hit royals every way they can be hit. But the one that took the longest to come to fruition was throwing five cards away and coming up with a royal. It took me ten years to do it. It occurred on a spin poker. And its the only royal I've ever made that way.
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While 1 in 650,000 hands does sound like a rare occasion, consider that I am a fast player, probably doing at least 800 hands an hour. That brings it closer to (I am rounding here) 1 in 810 hours of play. I usually play at least 4 hours in a day where I play, or 1 in 200 or so days of play. Since I live in Vegas, I might play as much as twice a week (again this is an average because some weeks I don't play and sometimes I might visit somewhere like Tahoe where I am playing 3-4 days in a row and more than 4 hrs a day), let's say 100 times a year in 4 hour sessions, which might put me "due" for a dealt royal once every two years. Of course the variance would say it isn't at all odd that it took 5 years in between two dealt royals instead of 2 years. The "average" might be approximately 2 years, but the reality of statistics is that you can't predict when they will show up. You could get them back to back or 20 years apart.
But the reality of being a player is that when it is 5 years between dealt royals you can feel pretty bad.
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Bob,
I'm going to disagree, at least a little. If your dealt royal score is below average AND your total number of royals is below average, your results are going to be below average. But, if your dealt royals are below average and your total royals are about average, your results should be about average.
Let's go with your example of 2 million dealt hands. If this is on 5 play ( the game in question) you will have played 10 million total hands. Using 40,000 for the royal cycle and 650,000 for the dealt royal cycle, you would average 250 total royals and 3 dealt royals.
I content that if you still get about 250 royals and 10 come from dealt royals or 20 come from dealt royals, your results will be about the same.
We might be at the semantic level but there is a point I want to make and this is just because you come up short on one rare statistic of game, does not mean the game is unfair or that your results will necessarily be bad. It would take a lot of work to run a big enough sample to confirm this, especially since Winpoker doesn't track dealt royals. I don't think any other commercial software does either.
Back to what started this discussion, having 2 dealt royals in 5 years doesn't really tell you much about your gaming results for those 5 years. In the 2 million dealt hand example, you will have played 10,000,000 hands and run 50,000,000 coins through. Each dealt royal is 20,000 coins or 0.04% of your return for the 2,000,000 dealt hand run.
In 2,000,000 deals, here are the probabilities of dealt royals:
P(0) = 4.6%
P(1) = 14.2%
P(2) = 21.8%
P(3)= 22.4%
P(4)= 17.2%
P(5)= 10.6%
P(6)= 5.4%
None of those results would be particularly surprising and each dealt royal is 20,000 coins so you would notice it. But as mentioned above, each dealt royal is 0.04% of your return ( I assumed a 100% payback game to make the math simpler).
Interesting discussion.
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