Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

 

O.K. we'll call it a free try. A.P.
From: "'Scot Krause' krauseinvegas@cox.net [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

  I think I would call it a "free try," not a "can't lose." :)

Scot

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 11:22 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

The way I stated it was a straight rebate, without fancy restrictions.
If I lose $200 and they give it back to me, how can I lose ?
Please show me the flaw in my reasoning.
A.P.
From: "'Scot Krause' krauseinvegas@cox.net [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

1. Loss rebates.I figure playing higher volatility and more aggressively is appropriate, because you are in a can't lose situation. This assumes a straight rebate situation without a bunch of complicated requirements.

I believe the "can't lose" philosophy on rebates is "flawed." You certainly can lose the first time around as well as the second time.

Regards,

Scot

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RE: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

 

I think I would call it a "free try," not a "can't lose." :)

Scot

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 11:22 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

The way I stated it was a straight rebate, without fancy restrictions.
If I lose $200 and they give it back to me, how can I lose ?
Please show me the flaw in my reasoning.
A.P.
From: "'Scot Krause' krauseinvegas@cox.net [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

1. Loss rebates.I figure playing higher volatility and more aggressively is appropriate, because you are in a can't lose situation. This assumes a straight rebate situation without a bunch of complicated requirements.

I believe the "can't lose" philosophy on rebates is "flawed." You certainly can lose the first time around as well as the second time.

Regards,

Scot

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

 

Then I would use a min cost royal strategy. A.P.
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  >I should have stated that I use a max EV strategy, and that's why I change it for progressives, when the Royal gets hit I adjust my strategy for whatever the royal is now at.
>A.P.

What if you had no competition, you knew you'd never have competition,
and you knew you could play until you hit it?
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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

 

>I should have stated that I use a max EV strategy, and that's why I change it for progressives, when the Royal gets hit I adjust my strategy for whatever the royal is now at.
>A.P.

What if you had no competition, you knew you'd never have competition,
and you knew you could play until you hit it?

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

 

I agree there are a huge number of promotions out there. I just can't think of any of them other than what I mentioned that would cause one to change strategies. I'd love to learn of any if you could provide some enlightenment to the topic. A.P.
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  You forgot some big promotion types: the mailer, the marker rebate, the kiosk, the invitation only tournaments, and drawings.

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

 

I should have stated that I use a max EV strategy, and that's why I change it for progressives, when the Royal gets hit I adjust my strategy for whatever the royal is now at.
A.P.
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

  AP wrote: "Progressives .When they get to the appropriate levels I start changing my strategy on RF holds."

This would be optimal if there is another similar progressive you can go to after the first one hits, in other words the royal doesn't actually end the play, the play continues at another bank. However, if the royal really does end the play, then min-cost-Royal (or min-cost whatever jackpot the progressive is on) is the optimal play, and DOES NOT change with progressive royal values. There's a question of how does competition affect strategy, I'm not going to go into that. Kneeland's "Secret World of Video Poker" has a lot of info on these types of topics.

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

 

Well if the casino cheats you're obviously screwed, but I did state that it was a can't lose based on a straight rebate with no restrictions, you start adding restrictions and other possibilities  then you are redefining the situation.     
If anybody cares what I think, they could define a specific situation and I'd be happy to respond with what I would do in that specific situation.
 
A.P.
 

From: "nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 18 NOV 2014

  AP wrote: "The way I stated it was a straight rebate, without fancy restrictions.
If I lose $200 and they give it back to me, how can I lose ?
Please show me the flaw in my reasoning."

You are trusting that the casino will in fact give you back $200. History shows that's clearly not always the case. There is some real probability that the casino will not hold to its promise and you will have to go to gaming and possibly hire an attorney, which incurs more costs. Also, the casino probably isn't going to give you $200 anyway, they are going to give you $200 in freeplay, maybe, which is not the same as cash. It has to be converted to cash, ("monetized"), which might or might not incur additional expenses.

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