Re: [vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Joe Kavanagh <cyberjoek@gmail.com> wrote:

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>
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> Could one other option to put on the table is changing the way the meter
> rise is split? Easier / common games (JoB, BP, etc) get the lowest rate,
> the standard but more mental games have the current rate, and harder games
> get the fastest meter rise rate. It makes JoB profitable less often for the
> player but leaves it on there for people who are good value to the Casino
> and the occasions when the meter rise goes up far enough.
> -Joe
>

This is the best idea I've heard yet, though I don't have the experience to
know how it would work out in practice. This way you get the casual players
who see a JoB progressive and just go for it regardless of how the jp is.
They're not going to do the math to see if it's better than 100%, all
they're going to care about is that it's a game they know with a progressive
jackpot. Since it's such a popular game, the added bonus is the experts are
going to have even more of an advantage on the harder games than they do
now. This is all in theory of course, but IMO it's a stroke of genius.

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[vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Joe Kavanagh <cyberjoek@...> wrote:
>
> Could one other option to put on the table is changing the way the meter
> rise is split? Easier / common games (JoB, BP, etc) get the lowest rate,
> the standard but more mental games have the current rate, and harder games
> get the fastest meter rise rate. It makes JoB profitable less often for the
> player but leaves it on there for people who are good value to the Casino
> and the occasions when the meter rise goes up far enough.
> -Joe
>

This is very interesting. I don't know if it's feasible, but it's a very thought-provoking idea, and a good post. Bravo!

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[vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
>

>
> So what is this all about ? The M isn't happy because:
> a. Not enough people are playing the progressives?
> or
> b. They want to make even more money from them and good grief, 7/5 Jacks isn't a low enough paytable?
>
> Larry F.
>

I'm guessing you haven't been reading vpfree in the last couple months. Been on vacation, Larry?

Your first choice (a.) is obviously incorrect. The games are so popular they have put in MORE machines.

And your second choice (b.) about 7-5 Jacks, good grief, it IS a 4% meter rise, y'know.

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[vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> That's 3 votes for BDW. Thanks...Collating.
>

Well, in behalf of BDW, it is quite different than DW, so it is somewhat "difficult". And it IS a common game, to be found in numerous locations throughout Las Vegas, both in stand-alone and multi-game formats, and with several pay tables. I think the most common "crappy" pay table is 1-1-3-3-4-10 (97.36%). I see THAT pay table everywhere! In my experience, that is the most common BDW pay table.

But for the purpose of our FrankNBobs, they'd probably want to spread 1-1-2-3-4-12 (96.22%), which you will also find in locations throughout town. It might also be on some of the Gamblers Bonus type machines you find in convenience stores, I'm not sure.

So, it probably IS popular enough to get play from "ploppies", and it probably has enough nuances that people will regularly play it incorrectly.

I might add, that BDW is actually one of the eight games they have at Barley's and other places like that. So in hindsight, maybe it should have been on the FrankNBobs in the first place, instead of the 7-5 JoB. Hindsight is 100%, though.

Anyway, let me throw my hat into the BDW ring and make it 4 votes.

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[vpFREE] VP trainer for Mac

 

Question from "lhbarber" <kona623@aol.com> :

Is there a good VP trainer for Mac ? I have a number of trainers for a PC

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

Could one other option to put on the table is changing the way the meter
rise is split? Easier / common games (JoB, BP, etc) get the lowest rate,
the standard but more mental games have the current rate, and harder games
get the fastest meter rise rate. It makes JoB profitable less often for the
player but leaves it on there for people who are good value to the Casino
and the occasions when the meter rise goes up far enough.
-Joe

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 18:04, Frank <frank@progressivevp.com> wrote:

> That's 3 votes for BDW. Thanks...Collating.
>

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[vpFREE] American Casino Guide Newsletter - JUL 2011

 

American Casino Guide Newsletter - JUL 2011

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/newsletter/july-2011-american-casino-guide-newsletter.html

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[vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

That's 3 votes for BDW. Thanks...Collating.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Albert Pearson <ehpee@...> wrote:
>
> Well as has already been suggested by another poter, Bonus deuces would be an excellent choice. I have seen these set up as progressives at the Soutpoint and at the Suncoast. At both locations when the progressive gets high you can't get near the machines. If I remember correctly the Suncoast had about 18 machines on one progressive and I played it once when it was over 2k and the bank was packed with players. The short pay paytable is tricky on this machine and I doubt that many play it well.  
>
> Regards
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> A.P.
>
> --- On Sun, 7/10/11, Frank <frank@...> wrote:
>
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> From: Frank <frank@...>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 2:35 PM
>
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> These are VERY good suggestions on how M can increase its general clientèle. However the Southpoint only has two very average progressives that get playable once in a blue moon. I have played them thrice in the last year.
>
> Our goal with the NEW M progressive was to try something "new".
>
> Since as you pointed out Southpoint has already gone the lots of games between 99-100 it would not be an original idea.
>
> I will certainly pass along your thoughts, but they aren't a solution that will help the progressive last and multiply. Good advice for M...not helpful to the task at hand.
>
> The M specifically is secondary to the game concept itself, which we hope will be adopted by other casinos in the future, if it is successful at M.
>
> How about this: To keep us on track, let's eliminate all discussion of its current location. Imagine the progressive is in casino X, which has no other games of any kind. The only way to improve it is to alter "it" in some way.
>
> ~FK
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Albert Pearson <ehpee@> wrote:
> >
> > Tell the "M" management to take a walk down the street to the Southpoint. Tell them to look at the crowds of players and then to look at the machine mix and copy it.
> > No machines with a base game over %100, but a ton of games over %99.
> >  
> > With a nicer casino and better restaurants they would pull some customers away from the Southpoint.
> >  
> > The trouble with the "M" is that they opened with games that were too good and got burnt.
> > They overreacted too far in the other direction and lost a lot of players. Southpoint has a good balance and gets a lot of players.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > A.P.
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

Well as has already been suggested by another poter, Bonus deuces would be an excellent choice. I have seen these set up as progressives at the Soutpoint and at the Suncoast. At both locations when the progressive gets high you can't get near the machines. If I remember correctly the Suncoast had about 18 machines on one progressive and I played it once when it was over 2k and the bank was packed with players. The short pay paytable is tricky on this machine and I doubt that many play it well.  

Regards

A.P.

--- On Sun, 7/10/11, Frank <frank@progressivevp.com> wrote:

From: Frank <frank@progressivevp.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 2:35 PM

 

These are VERY good suggestions on how M can increase its general clientèle. However the Southpoint only has two very average progressives that get playable once in a blue moon. I have played them thrice in the last year.

Our goal with the NEW M progressive was to try something "new".

Since as you pointed out Southpoint has already gone the lots of games between 99-100 it would not be an original idea.

I will certainly pass along your thoughts, but they aren't a solution that will help the progressive last and multiply. Good advice for M...not helpful to the task at hand.

The M specifically is secondary to the game concept itself, which we hope will be adopted by other casinos in the future, if it is successful at M.

How about this: To keep us on track, let's eliminate all discussion of its current location. Imagine the progressive is in casino X, which has no other games of any kind. The only way to improve it is to alter "it" in some way.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Albert Pearson <ehpee@...> wrote:
>
> Tell the "M" management to take a walk down the street to the Southpoint. Tell them to look at the crowds of players and then to look at the machine mix and copy it.
> No machines with a base game over %100, but a ton of games over %99.
>  
> With a nicer casino and better restaurants they would pull some customers away from the Southpoint.
>  
> The trouble with the "M" is that they opened with games that were too good and got burnt.
> They overreacted too far in the other direction and lost a lot of players. Southpoint has a good balance and gets a lot of players.
>
> Regards
>
> A.P.
>
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[vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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> Received and understood.
>
> ~FK

So what is this all about ? The M isn't happy because:
a. Not enough people are playing the progressives?
or
b. They want to make even more money from them and good grief, 7/5 Jacks isn't a low enough paytable?

Larry F.

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[vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

Received and understood.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
>
> Frank we love you but your type of thinking in taking away games that normal people play in favor of "Super Double Triple Joker Aces
> Deluxe Red Sevens or Better" type headache inducers is logically impossible because:
> 1. The only people who are going to learn the strategy on these
> obscure games are AP's-real or imagined.
> BUT:
> 2. These AP's are only going to play the game when it is over 100%. Meanwhile the ploppies you are depending on to prop up the progressives when they are under 100% are going to sit at the machine, see no game they recognize and shake their head and walk away.
>
> My solution-set the machines to stop accumulating points once a given game hits 100%.
> This way the ploppies (and their often lousy play) will get all their points, promotions, welfare checks, etc. but the AP who only plays over 100% has to be satisfied with what's on the machine.
>
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> >
> > An interesting POV, but not mine. You seem to have forgotten, yet again, that I came up with this idea in response to a vpFREE poster asking me to.
> >
> > Oh, and Bob is taking no interest, either in playing the new progressive, or in its development. At this point YOU have more input than he's is providing. Thought you should know.
> >
> > What I thought would work are games that are hard to play, where only the most diligent and dedicated players will benefit from them.
> >
> > Effort to = Reward
> >
> > I was brought up to believe this was how life worked, and I see nothing wrong with a game concept that rewards the hardest workers.
> >
> > If you are asking for a game concept that treats everyone as equals, then I'd like to hear your idea on how we can accomplish that and pitch it to the casino.
> >
> > If you have suggestions on what to do, please share them.
> >
> > If you have suggestions on what not to do, please share them.
> >
> > You seem to be focused on complaining and not about coming up with solutions.
> >
> > vpFREE asked for me to see if I could bring back fast progressives, if I'm to make that a lasting reality I really need help. I'm out of ideas.
> >
> > What I WANT is to make EVERYONE happy. As this is impossible, the only question at this point is how badly I will fail.
> >
> > ~FK
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > Yeah but that's not what Frank and "Bob" want. They want games that suckers will feed until they hit 100% so the sharks can jump on them.
> >
>

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[vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

Frank we love you but your type of thinking in taking away games that normal people play in favor of "Super Double Triple Joker Aces
Deluxe Red Sevens or Better" type headache inducers is logically impossible because:
1. The only people who are going to learn the strategy on these
obscure games are AP's-real or imagined.
BUT:
2. These AP's are only going to play the game when it is over 100%. Meanwhile the ploppies you are depending on to prop up the progressives when they are under 100% are going to sit at the machine, see no game they recognize and shake their head and walk away.

My solution-set the machines to stop accumulating points once a given game hits 100%.
This way the ploppies (and their often lousy play) will get all their points, promotions, welfare checks, etc. but the AP who only plays over 100% has to be satisfied with what's on the machine.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> An interesting POV, but not mine. You seem to have forgotten, yet again, that I came up with this idea in response to a vpFREE poster asking me to.
>
> Oh, and Bob is taking no interest, either in playing the new progressive, or in its development. At this point YOU have more input than he's is providing. Thought you should know.
>
> What I thought would work are games that are hard to play, where only the most diligent and dedicated players will benefit from them.
>
> Effort to = Reward
>
> I was brought up to believe this was how life worked, and I see nothing wrong with a game concept that rewards the hardest workers.
>
> If you are asking for a game concept that treats everyone as equals, then I'd like to hear your idea on how we can accomplish that and pitch it to the casino.
>
> If you have suggestions on what to do, please share them.
>
> If you have suggestions on what not to do, please share them.
>
> You seem to be focused on complaining and not about coming up with solutions.
>
> vpFREE asked for me to see if I could bring back fast progressives, if I'm to make that a lasting reality I really need help. I'm out of ideas.
>
> What I WANT is to make EVERYONE happy. As this is impossible, the only question at this point is how badly I will fail.
>
> ~FK
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> Yeah but that's not what Frank and "Bob" want. They want games that suckers will feed until they hit 100% so the sharks can jump on them.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

I used to go to Wendover some years ago and at the Nevada Crossings they had a Deuces game with a fairly unique paytable. It paid 250 for a WRF don't remember the rest, and the players paid a lot of attention to that. If you were trying to up the appeal to ploppies that particular paytable would definitely get their attention. It would be a good one to add even with a poor overall expected return.


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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> All American is right at the top of our short list. Of course not everyone will be familiar with it, but that's exactly the point isn't it? To pick games people are less familiar with.
>
> I can see this from both a players POV and the casinos. From both sides of the argument the most important thing is sustainability.
>
> If the games are familiar and easy the meter-rise is simply to high. 96.3% + 4% MR + .3% CB + "perfect play" is a loss for the casino.
>
> As a player I'd like to keep it easy and familiar, just like all of you would want. Also as a player, I'd like this bank not only to last but to multiply into other venues. Keeping the games easy simply isn't an option if play preservation and proliferation is to be our paramount concern.
>
> Just tell yourself it'll be "fun" to learn new games.
>
> ~FK
>
> P.S. Did I spell "fun" correctly? Seems like the last time I used the word it had a silent "q".
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
> >
> > I was thinking about what Frank said on the radio show the other night about M Resort wanting to switch out the 7-5 Jacks-or-better for something else, something a bit more challenging (and more profitable for the casino). I was wondering what would be a good, and different, choice.
> >
> > What about All American? What about a pay table like the following?
> >
> >
> > 1-1-3-7-7-7-40-200-800
> >
> >
> > Would that work?
> >
>

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[vpFREE] XVP - Blackjack Player

 


In today's Atlantic City Press, there is an article about the blackjack player who beat several Atlantic City casinos for over $15 million.

The player had a deal with the casinos that if he lost over $500,000 in one day, then he would receive a rebate equal to 20% of his losses. I am curious if anyone in these groups have been involved in such a deal and what kind of work paperwork was involved. Is this routine? I would not risk my money unless I had an iron-clad contract since we all know how "slimy" the casinos can be.

Second, has anyone ever done this for high stakes video poker? If the casinos are willing to do it for blackjack, why not video poker. (Bob Dancer ever tried this?)

Third, there is mention of the State of New Jersey coming after him to pay New Jersey income tax. A few people have mentioned receiving notice from the State of New Jersey for paying taxes on handpays and winnings in New Jersey but is this becoming more common in New Jersey?

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/press/casinos_tourism/big-blackjack-winner-says-rules-put-the-math-on-his/article_9e288fc2-aaaf-11e0-a486-001cc4c03286.html



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