[vpFREE] Re: GVR $1,$2,$5 NSU Deuces MultiStrike (100.02% with the 0.1% cashback)

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> >>>You can read any kind of implication you want into what I said,
but
> my characterizing professional gambling as not a "real job" was meant
> to point out that the profession is not one deserving any kind of
> favors or special treatment from the VPFree community.
>
>
Moot point. Non-professional gamblers also do not deserve favors or
special treatment from the vpFREE community.

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[vpFREE] Re: Guaranteed Play Pay Schedule

"tarotlv" wrote:
> Hello All....Can anyone tell me what the pay schedules are for
> Guaranteed Play JOB or DW and if there is any possible way to win.
>
> Ive played several times and havent won a thing.
>
> Thanks in advance.

See http://wizardofodds.com/guaranteedplay

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[vpFREE] Re: GVR $1,$2,$5 NSU Deuces MultiStrike (100.02% with the 0.1% cashback)

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@...> wrote:
>
> Real job? I've been a professional gambler for several years and make
> over $500k a year. I probably work harder than you do at your hourly
> wage job. I find it offensive that you don't consider what I do a
> real job. Just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean that
> it's not a career. I wish I could play in the NFL but I don't have
> the skills. However I would never tell a football pro I meet at the
> clubs that they don't have a real job.
>

You make over $500K a year playing video poker?

If so, then that's truly impressive, as it would equate to over a
$240/hr play, 40 hr/wk, 52 wk/yr. Hard to believe casino management
couldn't figure out such a play and then downgrade it.

Sorta makes this $310/hr 7x points play seem kinda mundane. After all,
the 7x points was only for 5 days.

Bill

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Coast vs Stations Casinos

I drafted this email several weeks ago and never sent it, but now with the
true extent of the implications of Station's changes revealing itself in all
its hot, steaming, coiled brown glory, I think it's time to revisit the
issue.

***

You know, I'm reluctant to get in on the Dancer-bashing that goes on here on
a weekly basis, but I'm 100% in agreement with this reaction. Bob, with all
due respect, you're way off base here. I don't see how this is any kind of
a net gain for low-denomination players.

And let me ask a question: if casinos make it so that low-denomination
players have almost nothing to show for their action - how many do you
think will graduate to your level of
negative-games-plus-slot-club-benefits-plus-promotions degree of analysis?

If casinos continue to chase off advantage players, treat us like
second-class citizens and otherwise tell us "we don't want your business,"
how long do you think people will continue to put in the effort to learn the
games profitably?

How long do you think they'll continue to attend your seminars, read your
books and buy your software?

Do you really think there's a market in that once all the quarter plays dry
up?

I'm not going to say that this is the end of positive VP in Vegas - but in
the two years since I moved here, I haven't seen a single development that
benefits a quarter FPDW player. And Station - with the biggest
concentration of FPDW games in the state - halving the comp rate and
shredding mailers is the worst omen yet. The endgame isn't the end of
positive video poker. The endgame is keeping the positive video poker
(mostly for PR reasons) and excluding them from all comps (like the Hard
Rock did) *and* excluding them from all promotions (like the Palms does).

It makes perfect sense from the perspective of the house (if you don't count
intangibles like goodwill, word of mouth and ancillary/companion
non-advantage play), but pretending that this is a net positive for players
is, to be diplomatic, disingenuous. It's a net positive for a very, very
small subset of the population and a great big kick in the roulettes for the
majority of us.

You may cheer the changes at Station, Bob, but most of us don't have the
stack to risk large amounts of money on negative-expectation games in the
hopes of squeezing a profit out of the margins and the value-added. For the
rest of us, this is a great big turd sandwich. On pumpernickel.

I hate pumpernickel.

On Feb 13, 2008 8:31 AM, <RoBar1521@aol.com> wrote:

> Am I the only person blown away by these comments?
>
> I guess it's just 'too bad' for those of us who play $ and under VP. The
> trend these days clearly favors Mr. Dancer and other "higher denomination
> advantage players". Please save your breath and stop trying to convince us
> that
> the state of VP isn't as bad as we know it is. It is bad and getting
> worse.
>
> Whose side are you on, Mr. Dancer? Not mine. Not the average advantage
> player. Your praise and suggestions for further casino changes will only
> benefit the few who, like you, have extraordinarily large bankrolls. In my
>
> opinion, your future success comes at the expense of the rest of us. And
> the
> amazing thing is...you don't mind telling us so!
>
> I am just stunned at your comments.
>
> RoBar
>
>

--
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Open Road Publishing
* * *
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[vpFREE] Re: Risk of Ruin

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jeritracy" <jeritracy@...> wrote:
>
> I am mathematically challenged, and so perhaps one of you who
isn't might consider helping
> me out with this problem. It may very well apply to many others in
my situation.
> My husband and I are quarter players, snowbirds who spend three
months in Las Vegas. We
> practice on the computer and play our chosen games at over 99%
accuracy. We play FPDW
> and 9/6 JOB, as well as BP with good progressives, (the BP in both
single and triple play
> configurations.) We each try to play around 3,000 hands every day,
or about 540,000 each
> winter.
> At what point, or at what number of games played should the
hypothetical and the actual rate
> of return approach the same number? Or I guess what I'm also
asking is what would be the
> amount needed to avoid the risk of ruin? Our time spent is about
the same on each game.
> Thank you in advance for any information you might be able to
provide.
>

"99% accuracy" is a bit vague! I'll assume your errors cost you 50c
every 500 hands. However, it's a good idea to play 3000 hands on
WinPoker, FVP, or some other software that keeps track of errors to
get a more accurate estimate of the hourly cost of your errors.

$500 is enough for your daily bankroll. You will go broke less than
1% of the time if you play 3000 hands of 25c FPDW, making errors at
the rate of 50c/500 hands.

For a full winter of 154,000 hands, $5000 is enough for the FPDW
game. Your chance of going broke is almost zero. You have a 3%
chance of losing more than $3000.

If most of your play is JOB, you would need a little more bankroll
for the full winter because of the lower EV of the game.

You didn't mention cashback and other incentives. These reduce your
bankroll requirements.

As for your question about when the actual and hypothetical rates of
return converge, the answer is 'a very long time'. For example, if
you play 450,000 flawless hands of 25c FPDW, you "should" be ahead
about $4000. In reality, there is still a 16% chance you will be
losing.

I'd recommend getting some good software for practice and to answer
your bankroll/risk questions.

--Dunbar

(Calcs above were done using Dunbar's Risk Analyzer for Video Poker.)

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[vpFREE] Guaranteed Play Pay Schedule

Hello All....Can anyone tell me what the pay schedules are for
Guaranteed Play JOB or DW and if there is any possible way to win.

Ive played several times and havent won a thing.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [vpFREE] How Important Is The Bottom Line ?


In a message dated 3/3/2008 12:01:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
historyman1943@yahoo.com writes:

ask to see (i beleive her first name is judy) mrs.
cohen. she was my original hostess and was very
helpful. i do not ask for much, just rooms and never
anything out of the ordinary. i use comps for all
else-from meals to shows. hope this helps. marty
stern

+
+

I will remember the name. I do not ask for much either.

Thanks Marty...G.

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[vpFREE] Re: Hard Rock $1 and $2 NSUD Spin Poker in new high limit lounge - 1 machine

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:
>
> I was at the Hard Rock a few times over the weekend
> and noticed a $1/$2 Spin Poker machine that had NSUD
> on it in the new high limit lounge next to the
> sportsbook. Everytime I was there, it was the only
> machine being played in the lounge and it was being
> played by some recognizable faces.
>
> The 5X points on Friday probably didn't hurt either.
>
> Please add this game to the Hard Rock listing although
> I have a feeling it isn't going to be around much
> longer.

Hey, Bill...I checked out ALL the multilines in the lounge, and they
were all ugly ducks. As it was, none of the upgrades took place until
early Sat morning, when Morgans Hotel Group became the sole operator
of the HR.

Vegas being Vegas, if you could play this with a .5% card, you'd never
see the game.

Now, Bill, I'm curious. Would you play this, if, say, only the $2
denom were NSUD? You see where I'm going with this, right?

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[vpFREE] Re: Loss of ticket in machine

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dipy911" <dwoods49090@...> wrote:
>
> What would one categorize the loss of say a $575 ticket in a machine
> at a casino due to a momentary lapse of judgement? Is it a gambling
> loss or would the person have to file the IRS form 4684?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Are you looking for a legally precise answer, or a practical answer?

As a practical answer, I would guess 99%+ people would show this as a
gambling loss.

EE

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Re: [vpFREE] Hard Rock $1 and $2 NSUD Spin Poker in new high limit lounge - 1 machine

<<I was at the Hard Rock a few times over the weekend
and noticed a $1/$2 Spin Poker machine that had NSUD
on it in the new high limit lounge next to the
sportsbook.>>

It is not NSUD - it is a 9-15 rather than 10-16. Unless they changed it
after Feb. 29th???
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[vpFREE] Re: How Important Is The Bottom Line ?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
> <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
>
> Gambling is basically
> > just a very dirty activity, you gots your winners and you gots your
> > losers, and the losers generally are not very happy about losing
> >
> >
> >
>
> Interstate 15 between Southern California and Las Vegas is an extremely
> busy strip of interstate. Bumper to bumper on many days, especially
> around the weekends. A town truck driver out of Baker, California once
> told me that "everyone going north is drunk, everyone going south is
> pissed off."
>

"You're lettin this place rundown and what's the result? You're not
getting the class of people that you used to. Why you've got people
here now that look like you!" -Groucho Marx

"I'll spend a week or two, perhaps the summer through, but I am
telling you, I must be going." -Groucho Marx

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[vpFREE] Re: GVR $1,$2,$5 NSU Deuces MultiStrike (100.02% with the 0.1% cashback)

You're just being dishonest. The emphatic way you compared
> professional gambling to a "real job" unmistakably implied that it's
> better to have a "real job" than to be a professional gambler. Would
> you say, with a straight face, that you meant no value judgment when
> you wrote that the life of a professional gambler "was an empty,
> pointless existence?" If you don't believe that contributing to
> society is better than not contributing to society, why did you use it
> as a criterion for comparing the two ways of life?

>>>Once again, I must object to someone, you in this case, putting
words in my mouth. For a given person, an "empty, pointless existence"
may very well be the best that he can achieve--at least he does no
active harm. A person whose antisocial tendencies make him unfit for
the world of work still needs to survive, and in point of fact the
world of gambling provides just such an opportunity for such a person.

>>>You can read any kind of implication you want into what I said, but
my characterizing professional gambling as not a "real job" was meant
to point out that the profession is not one deserving any kind of
favors or special treatment from the VPFree community.

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[vpFREE] Re: Loss of ticket in machine


I sympathize, and I believe I understand how it happened. By changing
back to All American, you interrupted your usual subconscious pattern of
cashing out. It's a tough lesson to learn, but you can take consolation
from the likelihood that only fools or drunks would make this mistake
twice.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dipy911" <dwoods49090@...> wrote:
>
> It was at 2300 quarters when I stopped for the night. I changed the
> machine back to All American so everyone could see the ace low
> straight flush. Normally, I cash out and pull my card and wrap the
> ticket around my card. This time, I just pull my card and place it
> with my hotel key card.

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