[vpFREE] Wall Street Journal: Bankruptcy Judge Clears Sale of Shuttered Harrah's Tunica

 

Wall Street Journal: Bankruptcy Judge Clears Sale of Shuttered Harrah's Tunica

http://www.wsj.com/articles/bankruptcy-judge-clears-sale-of-shuttered-caesars-casino-1446483385

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[vpFREE] LVRJ: Caesars will no longer manage 3 Ohio casinos

 

LVRJ: Caesars will no longer manage 3 Ohio casinos

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[vpFREE] Re: Vulturing in General

 

lol You're the best read on the internet. Write a biography, Mickey! A real book, not a blog.


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We called that phenomenon the Motel 6. You know, Tom Bodette, we'll leave the light on for you.





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[vpFREE] Re: Vulturing in General

 

Growchowski has some factual errrors in his article. Flush Attack was not a low paying game, which I will explain later. And when Sigma refit the game to eliminate sitting there with a four flush or a pat flush until the light triggered it did not eliminate the vulturing. It simply changed the way the game was vultured. After the refit, if you were sitting there not playing your machine, and the flush attack light was triggered on all the other machines, all you had to do was play and complete one game to trigger the light on your machine. Then you played like a bat out of hell until you hit the flush or someone else did.

The next move that many casinos made was unlinking the machines so that when a person triggered flush attack mode no one else could get the flush, that is, unless that person got up and left while the game was still in mode. We called that phenomenon the Motel 6. You know, Tom Bodette, we'll leave the light on for you.

The unlinking didn't occur in Laughlin for a long time. The first and only bank I know of that got unlinked in Laughlin was at the Pioneer in late 1999. But they unlinked them all across northern Nevada.

So what then became the strategy?

Pros looked at the game a couple of different ways. And one of them was flat wrong. One theory was that you should play 8/5 DB strategy through the first three flushes that payed 5 for 1. Then switch to a strategy based on a 125 coin flush. But if you look at the math, especially on the software, this is not the correct strategy.

8/5 DB is a 94.1897% game. The flush frequency is 91.792. Using the stats from the software looks like this:

91.7092 X 3 X $1.25 is a wager of $343.90 on a game that returns 94.1897%. So you are getting dropped for 5.81%.

$343.90 X 5.81% is a cost of $19.98

Then you switch to the 125 coin strategy which produces a flush every 41.95737 games and returns 134.94162%

41.95737 X $1.25 is a wager of $52.45.
$52.45 X 134.94162% is a profit of $18.33 but the cost of the first three flushes is $19.98. So on a total wager of $396.36 you are losing $1.65. That's a return of 99.5837%.

It was Doug Reul who invented the Flush 50 strategy for the game. He designed one single constant strategy based on the average value of the flush being 50 coins. He published this strategy in Video Poker Times. The first three flushes pay 25 coins and the fourth flush pays 125 coins. Thats an average value of 50 coins. The overall return for this strategy is 101.8394%.

Using Flush 50 strategy the software stats look like this:

With the first three flushes you are at 92.75%. The flush frequency is 55.0096. That's a wager of $206.29 with a drop of 7.25% or a cost of $14.96.

With the 4th flush you have a wager of $68.76 and a return of 129.1% for a profit of $20.01. The cycle for 4 flushes is 220.0384 games which is a total wager of $275.05.

The cost on the first three flushes is $14.96 and the win on the fourth flush is $20.01. That's a $5.05 profit on a wager of $275.05 or a return of 101.83%.

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[vpFREE] Re: Vulturing in General

 

I think there's still a few old flush attacks around, unlinked, and in obscure places.

Flush Attack http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.com/article/flush-attack-58093

http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.com/article/flush-attack-58093

Flush Attack http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.com/article/flush-attack-58093 John Grochowski: If there's a way to get an edge on a casino game, players will find it.



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[vpFREE] Silverton

 

Does Silverton use a daily-average figure for their bounce-back system? I hate to pick up FP at a casino without playing that day, but sometimes the daily-average policy thwarts my "good intentions." Of course if picking up FP triggers a "play day" it is a moot point. Also, is it known what the look-back qualification period is here and whether the win/loss figure is put into the BB calculation?
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[vpFREE] Vulturing in General

 

The first time I ever seen the term "vulturing" was in a Dan Paymar book and it applied to vulturing Flush Attacks. That game has run it course and is now extinct. It first appeared in Laughlin in 1994. It was 8/5 Double Bonus Poker with every 4th flush, if you were betting five coins, paying 25 for 1. The theoretical was 101.83%.

There were banks of this game in the Riverside, Flamingo, Ramada Express, Golden Nugget and Gold River. The machines were linked together. So when someone hit the third flush on the bank it would trigger all the machines in the bank to Flush Attack mode. The next person who hit a flush was payed 125 coins. This developed the vulture activity on these banks. A person could play until he/she caught a 4-flush then sit and wait for Flush Attack mode to trigger and that person would get the first shot at hitting a flush. If they missed they just played like a bat out of hell until they hit a flush or someone else did. And whenever they were dealt a pat flush, which occurs about every 500 games or so, they had the 125 coins locked in whenever the light was triggered.

Small teams developed, usually 2 or three people. They would play until they all had 4 flushes then sit and wait. Or if one of them was dealt a pat flush they would sit and wait until the light triggered. The consequence of this was that the ploppies were getting crushed. Lots of complaints.

To end the controversy Sigma retrofit the machines to where you had to complete your hand before you were eligible for the bonus flush. This really didn't do anything to end the vulture activity. At that point the absolute best strategy was not to play at all when the game wasn't in bonus flush mode. Then play like a bat out of hell in mode using an aggresive flush strategy. But slot operations and security got hip to it and started running people off the banks who weren't playing in non mode.

It became a cloak and dagger thing. You bet one coin between the lights then went into five coin mode when the light triggered. You did this to camouflage your play. Betting one coin between the lights was about a 94% game. Betting five coins in mode was a theoretical 135%. It was an easy money making gig. There was so much cashing out on the 18 machine bank at the Riverside that, while every other video poker in the house got a $250 fill (quarters), the machines in the Flush Attack bank got $500 fills.

And while this game had a theoretical of 101.83% the machines were not returning anything close to that. I got a look at many a payout screen when mechanics were working on the machines. It was more like 98.5%. The skilled players made money but the ploppies got crushed. To get the 101.83% return you had to properly value the flush cards in the game.

The skilled players used a straight up short coin 8/5 Double Bonus Poker strategy on their one coin bets between the lights. A player bettting one coin and making a flush contributed 1 point to turning the light on. A person betting five coins and making a flush contributed 5 points to turning the light on. When 15 points were accumulated it triggered the Flush Attack light. We wanted to maximize our return on the one coin bets and not contribute to the light. That was the ploppies job, not ours.

The skilled players made money because they were running a far bigger wager on their five coin bets in mode, 135%, than they were on their one coin bets at 94%. The other factor was the skilled players could crank out 20 games a minute in mode with proper stategy and no mistakes while the ploppies couldn't come anywhere close to that.


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[vpFREE] Re: What is most memorable hit, not counting first royal?

 

I tried for two hours trying for a progressive on 5c Spin Poker at Atlantis
Reno which had built up to $15K without success. I moved on to play a
triple play machine. When I opened up to play NSUD there it was on the
screen, a dealt Royal. The problem was that the player was playing one
credit per line! Wow!

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[vpFREE] Re: What is most memorable hit, not counting first royal?

 

Two royals a couple of hours apart playing $5 NSUD on a promotion at the Wendover Nugget. Both were in diamonds and both were three card catches. The first I held QT, the second I held JT.

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Ultimate X Video Poker

 

>>>>Not late, Scott. I've known about the game for years. But it wasn't out when I moved to Montana 8 years ago. I've just kept my mouth shut about it. I don't think the earning potential would be that great in a spot with a lot of hustlers in it. But I think it would be like extra cashback in spots where there aren't so many wiseguys.>>>

You aren't likely giving any information up to anyone who is at all interested in advantage machine play. Finding UX bonuses is the low hanging fruit of the AP universe. You are correct, though... There are places where it is worth ones time to make several passes of the UX inventory a day if you are in the casino anyway. Where one can find many abandoned multipliers even at the 50 cent and dollar level. And then there are places that are just over hustled. Where one can see people poking away looking for multipliers, or getting on a UX machine as soon as another player has left. I don't get out to Las Vegas much anymore, but I suspect many Las Vegas casinos are in the latter category.

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