[vpFREE] Re: Live poker as AP

 

If you learn to play well, live poker is a much better deal than video poker. In vegas, a good 1-3NL player can make about $20 an hour and a 2-5NL player can make $30 an hour. And the bankroll required is about 1/10 that of video poker and the variance is about 1/10th as well.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kb5zcr" <thetiminator@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not really a vp player but I do enjoy reading this board.
> I was wondering if any of you ap players have played much live poker?
> I have a regular job but poker is my hobby and I have been playing profitability for about four years now. I play 1-2, 2-5 no limit holdem (NLH). I used to play both live and on the internet until the poker sites got shut down.
> You can make some money playing poker if you study and are serious about the game.
> I just wanted to find out the consensus of the vp player regarding live poker.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Bad Tidings from the Palms

 

I"m not unmotivated. I play for fun. I really enjoy sitting down and playing for two or three hours while my wife watches and roots me on. I enjoy the drinks and the excitement that was the Palms. I booked a room for 3 nights there in two weeks. Now I'm thinking of going elsewhere. I have free rooms at the GN, but nothing positive to play there.
I'm a guy that they make money on even playing a positive machine. We'll eat there and play other games. Hey, I'm coming out there to have fun. I probably don't play fast enough to make the $8 per hour. I'm probably at $5. They are going to lose me and my hotel $$ and food $$ and gambling $$.
I guess I'll go over to Green Valley Ranch and play. I think that is the closest place that has FPDW.
Brad
Amarillo

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
>
> I look at full-time vp players--if there's really such a thing on quarters--as unmotivated people who really don't have a family life and who are very addicted to the poker machines. Making $8-$12/hr. is something I'd expect for teenagers and isn't anything anyone can make a decent living on. As a supplement it's fine, but there is no such thing as a vp career without playing at much higher limits.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "derangedmutant040925" <derangedmutant040925@> wrote:
> > You forgot to mention that fulltime VP players are diseased, psychotic, children of felons, and that they killed Jesus. They are also responsible for global warming.
> >
> > I personally am able to fathom why someone might want to set their own hours, be their own boss, and have to answer to no one while earning $8-12/hr (depending on speed and accuracy) rather than explore the myriad exciting career opportunities available in the fast food industry while earning minimum wage. But that's just me.
>

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[vpFREE] Live poker as AP

 

I'm not really a vp player but I do enjoy reading this board.
I was wondering if any of you ap players have played much live poker?
I have a regular job but poker is my hobby and I have been playing profitability for about four years now. I play 1-2, 2-5 no limit holdem (NLH). I used to play both live and on the internet until the poker sites got shut down.
You can make some money playing poker if you study and are serious about the game.
I just wanted to find out the consensus of the vp player regarding live poker.

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[vpFREE] Re: More sad news from the Palms

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David" <d_richheimer@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe that Maloof realized that an active and crowded casino was part of the mix attracting the young, beautiful and hip. When the casino floor is less crowded and the young and hip decide the joint is becoming dead and passé, the bean-counters running the place will remain clueless as to why they contributed to the decline of the trendy crowd's business. While Maloof can tell them, "I told you so", the trendy business is hard to recapture once lost.
> >
>
>
> Very well said! Perceptive post!
>
Though not perceptive of the fact that the casino where Maloof made his fortune was the Fiesta, now the Fiesta Rancho---not the Palms. Those familiar with the Palms when it opened will remember that he imported some of the same methods that had made the Fiesta successful--such as a strong locals appeal. Over time, the Palms has moved from Fiesta-style value to drunken moron/little gals in black dresses appeal (though it always had elements of both). What Maloof never forgot, though, is that those deuces-pounding locals, not the $15 drink crowd, are the people who initially filled his wallet.

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[vpFREE] Monthly vpFREE Lunch Discontinued

 

No more regularly scheduled monthly vpFREE lunches, since
there hasn't been any significant interest in them for a
long time.

The first monthly lunch was in March 2002. When they were
the most popular, there were usually at least a dozen
attendees.

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[vpFREE] Maybe Maloof should buy another place.

 

They made their fortune at Fiesta with locals. Maybe he should try another place and start there again. Forget the Playboy crap and the nights. Fill the place with Seniors with SS checks, Illegal Aliens with Welfare Checks and some pros!

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[vpFREE] Re: Bad Tidings from the Palms

 

Uh, not exactly..
Ha-Ha.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pat fogarty" <smellypuppy@...> wrote:
Are the people playing these machines "dressed to the nines", throwing money around to create buzz and excitement that would be a magnet for drawing a trendy crowd, or hot, scantily clad model-types?
>

>
> Pat

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[vpFREE] Re: Bad Tidings from the Palms

 

I know where thousands of over 101% quarter games are...in people's imaginations.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "derangedmutant040925" <derangedmutant040925@...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> I always bust a gut whenever someone says something like this. I know of a play where not only is there an inherent 104% return on the game itself, but once every hour, a unicorn materializes next to you and gives you a $100 bill. Where is that, you ask? Well, I can't tell you--it would destroy the play.
>
> There is NO SUCH THING ANY MORE (since the Palms disaster) as a .25 game where one can walk in, any time, any day, every day, and sit down and play at a 101% (or better) return. There are doubtless a number of hit-and-runs available that for short bursts of time, offer a large PERCENTAGE advantage, but in absolute terms, are not that significant. June's swipe promos at South Point and Coasts were a good case in point. If you played NSUD for the exact amount needed to qualify for the swipe/spin every day, you were playing at about 104%. This month, if you go to the M on Monday, manage to get the 3X points, and then play 9/6 JOB exactly long enough to get the buffet comp, then you'll be playing at well over 101% (depending on how much you value the buffet). You can hit the Hacienda during some promo periods and eke out 101.2% for a few hours. Et cetera.
>
> If you do know of somewhere where the inherent return of a .25 game is 101% or better, please don't leave us all in the dark. (And by "inherent", I mean base return with perfect play + any earned freeplay/cashback at par, or comps at, say, 80% of par. I do NOT mean "mailers", as those vary wildly and thus are not a reliable portion of one's return.)
>
> *And BTW I am well aware of the two Cortez Deuces machines, which are an exception to the above. (They still existed as of June, though they are not currently listed in the vpfree2 database.)
>

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Bad Tidings from the Palms

I was going to ask that question. TPG doesn't own a controlling interest in CE I thought.

james

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: bjaygold@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:25:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bad Tidings from the Palms






I just wanted to point out, despite the perception of many on vpFREE, that

Caesars Entertainment does NOT own/run the Palms. TPG Capital, which owns

part of CE, also owns 49% of the Palms. If you think that means that CE owns

the Palms, you are incorrect. There is no direct connection. CE and the

Palms merely share one common owner.

Certainly it is possible that TPG is consulting CE higher-ups for advice on

how to run the Palms. And it is possible that certain personnel can be

moved from CE to the Palms. Neither of those things means that CE owns or runs

the Palms. The new President of the Palms, Joe Magliarditi, is formerly of

the Hard Rock--no affiliation with CE.

Brian

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In a message dated 8/1/2011 1:13:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

derangedmutant040925@yahoo.com writes:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:

>

> Listen up folks. I'm more of a solutions kind of guy, rather than a

let's define the problem over and over again. I can't help but think that if

instead of posting all these comments on vpFREE, we all started writing

letters to the Palms, we might be able to effect some change.

> ~FK

>

Frank, we are exactly the type of players that are complete anathema to

CE. Don't forget that their grand business strategy is to boost the bottom

line in the short term in order to justify their gargantuan debt. Their

intent is evidently to juice the Palms' cash flow over the next few months in

order to soothe their creditors. To that end, when some junior suit perks up

and peeps, "We're losing money on that FPDW progressive bank!!!!!!!", his

boss gives him a wet, sloppy kiss, and he preens and immediately issues

instructions to have the bank (and, he wistfully wishes, the players) taken out

back and destroyed with sledgehammers. We don't like this. The Palms

doesn't WANT us to like it. They KNOW we don't. Therefore, since they took these

actions with that full knowledge, how on earth could our complaints help?

I mean, look at the recent M progressives fiasco (I realize CE doesn't own

the M). The M couldn't stomach the idea of a 101% game existing at all.

Thus, they wasted their own time chasing their tail, putting the games in and

then making them unplayable. They should, and probably do, know that with

the gradual demise of decent VP all over town, any casino that bucked the

trend and offers good games would have a HUGE competitive advantage. Here's

the key: so they lose a few bucks an hour. So what? Business comes in the

front door. Fred Fullpay plays for a couple of hours and realizes an EV of

+$25, but then he blows that and more paying the vig on his $500 football

bet. Fanny Fullpay plays for a half hour or so, but gets tired of Fred

correcting her mistakes and wanders off to play Wheel! Of! Fortune! instead.

Why is it so difficult for Vegas casinos to understand that offering +EV

games may actually boost the bottom line? Is that truly beyond their

comprehension? And are they aware of the bad will that is engendered when they

worsen their games because somebody might be making a theoretical $1.50/hr

(.25 FPDB)?

I applaud your efforts to open up a dialogue between VPFree members and

the Evil Empire, but I think those efforts are quixotic---it's like getting

Israelis to start a letter-writing campaign to Hamas to try to get them to

make nice for a change. (Apt parallel, as not only do they hate us, they

refuse to acknowledge our right to exist.)

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[vpFREE] Re: Bad Tidings from the Palms

 

Love the spirit, but you may want to save your two bits...Unless you can get hard data that at least correlates having +EV games to improving a metric important to a casino's business this will not fly.

This is a philosophic change brought on by management that they see no reason to offer a machine where the player has an advantage.

In terms of having a critical mass of people around to maintain a trendy hotspot atmosphere is one of the reasons I read justifying +EV machines - are you kidding???

How many +EV machines are there and then how many of those playing them are there solely for that purpose and wouldn't be there otherwise - is that even a noticeable percentage of patrons? Are the people playing these machines "dressed to the nines", throwing money around to create buzz and excitement that would be a magnet for drawing a trendy crowd, or hot, scantily clad model-types?

I hope someone out there has quantitative data that shows a benefit for casinos that have +EV games. The problem is that I doubt it as the small number of +EV quarter level (or lower), single line games are likely insignificant in terms any delta in terms of revenue or quantity/quality of patrons. Perhaps if we were talking about high stakes games where the bankroll would be at a level that even most teams could not touch, but I doubt any data, positive or otherwise exists for making a case to management to resurrect these games.

Pat


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> Listen up folks. I'm more of a solutions kind of guy, rather than a let's define the problem over and over again. I can't help but think that if instead of posting all these comments on vpFREE, we all started writing letters to the Palms, we might be able to effect some change.
>
> There's a lot of voices here, let's get them heard.
>
> I'll get an address and a name where we should send advice/complaint letters and post it tomorrow. In the interim I recommend everyone write up something to send with a stress on the advice, rather than the complaints aspect.
>
> I'd recommend something like:
>
> please bring back X
> Because: (then list reasons)
>
> If the tone of your letters is complaint, it will likely fall on deaf ears. If it is advice it might get across the Styx to be heard. Don't worry, I've got the two bits to pay the ferryman.
>
> ~FK
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bad Tidings from the Palms

 

I just wanted to point out, despite the perception of many on vpFREE, that
Caesars Entertainment does NOT own/run the Palms. TPG Capital, which owns
part of CE, also owns 49% of the Palms. If you think that means that CE owns
the Palms, you are incorrect. There is no direct connection. CE and the
Palms merely share one common owner.

Certainly it is possible that TPG is consulting CE higher-ups for advice on
how to run the Palms. And it is possible that certain personnel can be
moved from CE to the Palms. Neither of those things means that CE owns or runs
the Palms. The new President of the Palms, Joe Magliarditi, is formerly of
the Hard Rock--no affiliation with CE.

Brian

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In a message dated 8/1/2011 1:13:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
derangedmutant040925@yahoo.com writes:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> Listen up folks. I'm more of a solutions kind of guy, rather than a
let's define the problem over and over again. I can't help but think that if
instead of posting all these comments on vpFREE, we all started writing
letters to the Palms, we might be able to effect some change.
> ~FK
>
Frank, we are exactly the type of players that are complete anathema to
CE. Don't forget that their grand business strategy is to boost the bottom
line in the short term in order to justify their gargantuan debt. Their
intent is evidently to juice the Palms' cash flow over the next few months in
order to soothe their creditors. To that end, when some junior suit perks up
and peeps, "We're losing money on that FPDW progressive bank!!!!!!!", his
boss gives him a wet, sloppy kiss, and he preens and immediately issues
instructions to have the bank (and, he wistfully wishes, the players) taken out
back and destroyed with sledgehammers. We don't like this. The Palms
doesn't WANT us to like it. They KNOW we don't. Therefore, since they took these
actions with that full knowledge, how on earth could our complaints help?

I mean, look at the recent M progressives fiasco (I realize CE doesn't own
the M). The M couldn't stomach the idea of a 101% game existing at all.
Thus, they wasted their own time chasing their tail, putting the games in and
then making them unplayable. They should, and probably do, know that with
the gradual demise of decent VP all over town, any casino that bucked the
trend and offers good games would have a HUGE competitive advantage. Here's
the key: so they lose a few bucks an hour. So what? Business comes in the
front door. Fred Fullpay plays for a couple of hours and realizes an EV of
+$25, but then he blows that and more paying the vig on his $500 football
bet. Fanny Fullpay plays for a half hour or so, but gets tired of Fred
correcting her mistakes and wanders off to play Wheel! Of! Fortune! instead.

Why is it so difficult for Vegas casinos to understand that offering +EV
games may actually boost the bottom line? Is that truly beyond their
comprehension? And are they aware of the bad will that is engendered when they
worsen their games because somebody might be making a theoretical $1.50/hr
(.25 FPDB)?

I applaud your efforts to open up a dialogue between VPFree members and
the Evil Empire, but I think those efforts are quixotic---it's like getting
Israelis to start a letter-writing campaign to Hamas to try to get them to
make nice for a change. (Apt parallel, as not only do they hate us, they
refuse to acknowledge our right to exist.)

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[vpFREE] Re: More sad news from the Palms

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David" <d_richheimer@...> wrote:
>
>
> I believe that Maloof realized that an active and crowded casino was part of the mix attracting the young, beautiful and hip. When the casino floor is less crowded and the young and hip decide the joint is becoming dead and passé, the bean-counters running the place will remain clueless as to why they contributed to the decline of the trendy crowd's business. While Maloof can tell them, "I told you so", the trendy business is hard to recapture once lost.
>

Very well said! Perceptive post!

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[vpFREE] Re: More sad news from the Palms

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "derangedmutant040925" <derangedmutant040925@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, gmblnmn <nktalbrch@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I think the herds of trendy, inebriated youngsters do have enough
> > money. You don't think they make money from the FPDW players, do you
> > really?
> >
>
> Yes, they do. Absolutely. Maloof understands this. The bright-eyed young Turks with MBAs and not a single functioning brain cell don't. Maloof built his fortune with a casino full of FPDW. At one time, there were over 120 .25 FPDW in his casino (the Fiesta Rancho). Yet, he made money--lots of it...

The Palms is basically an inexpensive casino located on what was cheap land off the strip. The genius of Maloof was combining a local's casino with a "happening" resort for the young and trendy. Other than good VP tables, loose slots and good restaurants, the Palms is not ideal locals joint because of less than stellar casino furnishings and way too loud music.

I believe that Maloof realized that an active and crowded casino was part of the mix attracting the young, beautiful and hip. When the casino floor is less crowded and the young and hip decide the joint is becoming dead and passé, the bean-counters running the place will remain clueless as to why they contributed to the decline of the trendy crowd's business. While Maloof can tell them, "I told you so", the trendy business is hard to recapture once lost.

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[vpFREE] re: Mrs. Flusher and MotherFlusher Trip Report

 

The latest updates, including final gambling stats. And, about 2.4
laughs per screen, hopefully.

http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2011/08/nook-color-update-and-some-gambling.html

http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2011/08/moment-of-truth-for-my-nook-color.html

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