[vpFREE] Econnect and baccarat

 

Has anyone seen this? I don't know if anyone in vegas is using it to watch their baccarat tables. I wonder if you could tell by looking at the shoe.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9213890.htm

I came across it on the web and never heard of it before.

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RE: [vpFREE] A New Slot Club Program

 

I looked at it quickly.  Don't know if I want someone having access to my offers and being able to compare them.

Also, in the purpose section it says they created the site as a central place for you to look at your offers and not be tied down with organizing offers received in the mail.  But some casinos (Harrahs/Caesars in particular) do not list all offers on their website that they mail out.  Thus relying on the website means you are not seeing all offers.

You also have to give your user name/password for all accounts.  If you have points stolen from an account and the casino discovers that you have given your password out to other people, you run the risk of not being able to protest the points that were stolen since many companies make it a violation of the agreement to give out your password.  (I will admit though that I have not read the small print on all slot clubs so this may or may not be an issue but why risk it.)




To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: queenofcomps@cox.net
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:21:38 -0700
Subject: [vpFREE] A New Slot Club Program



I see this advertised in the R-J and on the LVA site.  RewardView.com.  "Sign up and manage all your cards in one place."
 
Has anyone investigated this and knows the details?  Or, actually joined?
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http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Fascinating new poker machine

 

Barry Glazer wrote:

>if you aren't going to try to get royals where strategy dictates

It depends on what you mean by "strategy dictates." On progressives,
it can be better to not draw to the royal, even though the royal draw
maximizes EV on that hand, for the sake of prolonging the play.

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[vpFREE] RE: Re: Fascinating new poker machine

 

No joke. Take the wizard's strategy generator:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/calculator/

Select double bonus and set the royal to 50, same as the other straight flushes.

Return is 0.987701 with a variance of 14.89 and the royal cycle is 64,089.74

Now put back the actual royal return, which is an additional 750:

750/64,089.74 = 0.0117 additional ev
750^2/64,089.74 = 8.78 additional variance

Net result:
EV=0.9994
Variance=23.67
Royal Cycle=64,089.74

If it buys you an extra mailer, it more than pays for itself. Plus you've actually optimized the return of the non royal hands. That's how taking a dive tactically can be +ev strategically. You should never limit your thinking to one individual hand in isolation, your goal should be to optimize the entire game, from beginning to end, that's how you get a game theoretically optimal strategy.






--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I certainly hope that everyone realizes (and if I'm wrong, I'm amazed) that the suggestion to reduce one's efforts to get royal flushes is tongue-in-cheek / sarcasm / some form of humor!  If not taken as a joke, it is certainly the worst advice  ever given on this list, assuming that winning (or at least losing the minimum) is more important than just being allowed to keep playing, at any cost.
 
Reducing risk by avoiding hands that lead to royals is only done at the cost of reduced return -- and since the royal is approximately 2% of one's return, if you aren't going to try to get royals where strategy dictates you should do so, you are reducing the return on most games to 98% or less -- and you might as well play blackjack (without counting cards) or shoot craps if that's all the return you're looking for - the "table games" actually will be better played with the simplest of basic strategies (roulette would be a poorer choice).  Or stop playing video poker at all (which some casinos will arrange for you if you actually decide to play correctly and are too successful -- not all, but some).
 
Which leads back to the on-topic post I made that lead to the question (who bars video poker players?) that was asked.  My point was that successful players against the "poker bot" machine MAY find themselves barred from playing.  If it's like blackjack, they will have a supervisor tap them on the shoulder and tell them "I'm sorry, but we can't let you play this poker machine anymore at our casino.  You are welcome to play any of our other games."  -- and then, depending on the casino, "we'll be happy to still honor the comp'ed room we gave you" OR "we also are withdrawing the comp'ed room we gave you for the rest of your stay, you can pay for the room or check out".  When playing blackjack, I got each of these responses (at different places, of course)!
 
--BG
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3d. Re: Fascinating new poker machine
 
Really?

Stop hitting Royals?




On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I may have the facts wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, if so I
> apologize in advance, but if you want another example of someone who's been
> barred from playing video poker, my understanding is that Bob Dancer has
> been permanently barred from all MGM properties for life and into the
> afterlife because his ex-wife had the audacity to hit one royal on a $100
> machine. Even though Bob is now legally divorced, his record is still
> tainted by the actions of his former wife, in the eyes of the all powerful
> MGM. There is a lesson here, don't be so aggressive trying to hit royal
> flushes in video poker, casinos don't like to see royal flushes and many
> will take negative action against those who hit that particular hand, as
> well as relatives, family members, perceived team members, etc. If you
> gamble in NJ, you're luckier, in that state casinos are not allowed to bar
> law abiding citizens and so far it is still not a crime to hit a royal
> flush, however NJ casinos can still take action against royal flush
> hitters, such as reducing promotions, exclusion from promotions, and so on,
> and trust me, take action they will.
>
>
>

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[vpFREE] A New Slot Club Program

 

I see this advertised in the R-J and on the LVA site.  RewardView.com.  "Sign up and manage all your cards in one place."
 
Has anyone investigated this and knows the details?  Or, actually joined?
------------------------------------------
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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[vpFREE] Has anyone tried this?

 
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[vpFREE] Re: Sign seen at Ellis Island

 

This explains things. Evidently some people (for example, Scot) had already had their bounce-back switched over from cash you collected at the cashier to free play you have to download at the kiosk. Brad and I are still getting coupons in our mailer which we must take to the cashier to redeem for cash.

However, by the sign at the slot club desk, evidently starting Oct. 1 everyone will have to download their bounce-back at the kiosk and then get it in the form of free play at their machine.

EI went the free play route one time in the past – maybe a couple of years ago – but if I remember it correctly it lasted only a month or two. Then they went right back to the cash route. I heard that this was due to so many customers collecting the free play for others. They wanted each person to come in themselves and show ID before they could collect BB.

The sign also says that our free play will be increased. I'll believe that when I see it!!!!

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Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

From: tikithecat73lakeworth
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:32 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM][vpFREE] Re: Sign seen at Ellis Island

Jean and Scot, you might be talking about two different things.

I have always been able to redeem my points at the machine for play. This was true as of three days ago.

The free play offers I am currently getting in my mailer must be redeemed at the kiosk. I'm required to swipe, and then proceed to the machine, where I then download it.

Up until two months ago, I had been getting coupons redeemable at the cage for cash. Since I seldom play there anymore, I just figured they were finally cutting back on my mailer. They didn't send any more coupons-just a list of my free play dates.

My husband still plays there a fair amount and is still receiving coupons for cash in his mailer.

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[vpFREE] Re: Fascinating new poker machine

 

I certainly hope that everyone realizes (and if I'm wrong, I'm amazed) that the suggestion to reduce one's efforts to get royal flushes is tongue-in-cheek / sarcasm / some form of humor!  If not taken as a joke, it is certainly the worst advice  ever given on this list, assuming that winning (or at least losing the minimum) is more important than just being allowed to keep playing, at any cost.
 
Reducing risk by avoiding hands that lead to royals is only done at the cost of reduced return -- and since the royal is approximately 2% of one's return, if you aren't going to try to get royals where strategy dictates you should do so, you are reducing the return on most games to 98% or less -- and you might as well play blackjack (without counting cards) or shoot craps if that's all the return you're looking for - the "table games" actually will be better played with the simplest of basic strategies (roulette would be a poorer choice).  Or stop playing video poker at all (which some casinos will arrange for you if you actually decide to play correctly and are too successful -- not all, but some).
 
Which leads back to the on-topic post I made that lead to the question (who bars video poker players?) that was asked.  My point was that successful players against the "poker bot" machine MAY find themselves barred from playing.  If it's like blackjack, they will have a supervisor tap them on the shoulder and tell them "I'm sorry, but we can't let you play this poker machine anymore at our casino.  You are welcome to play any of our other games."  -- and then, depending on the casino, "we'll be happy to still honor the comp'ed room we gave you" OR "we also are withdrawing the comp'ed room we gave you for the rest of your stay, you can pay for the room or check out".  When playing blackjack, I got each of these responses (at different places, of course)!
 
--BG
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3d. Re: Fascinating new poker machine
 
Really?

Stop hitting Royals?




On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I may have the facts wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, if so I
> apologize in advance, but if you want another example of someone who's been
> barred from playing video poker, my understanding is that Bob Dancer has
> been permanently barred from all MGM properties for life and into the
> afterlife because his ex-wife had the audacity to hit one royal on a $100
> machine. Even though Bob is now legally divorced, his record is still
> tainted by the actions of his former wife, in the eyes of the all powerful
> MGM. There is a lesson here, don't be so aggressive trying to hit royal
> flushes in video poker, casinos don't like to see royal flushes and many
> will take negative action against those who hit that particular hand, as
> well as relatives, family members, perceived team members, etc. If you
> gamble in NJ, you're luckier, in that state casinos are not allowed to bar
> law abiding citizens and so far it is still not a crime to hit a royal
> flush, however NJ casinos can still take action against royal flush
> hitters, such as reducing promotions, exclusion from promotions, and so on,
> and trust me, take action they will.
>
>
>

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