[vpFREE] Re: What are the odds on Odd Frank?

 

I will endeavor to call 6/9 Jacks or Better, by its modern label "9/6" on vpFREE.

Please keep in mind, I've been using the Team nomenclature for 22 years and I'm not perfect. I'll probably mess up every now and then. Old habits die hard.

In the teams we had no contact with the outside VP community. We did all our math and strategy creation in-house and independently. I'll be talking about the Team's VP system on-air with Bob, soon.

Note: I'll will never use the term "Full-Pay". Never liked it.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> Do you think Frank will EVER start calling it "9/6 JoB" instead of "6/9 JoB"?
>
> Hey Frank! Let's compromise. For your New Years Resolution for 2012!, see if you can switch over to "9/6" instead of "6/9". That gives you ten more months to get ready. I want to be reasonable.
>
> I like you, Frank, but it's driving me NUTS!
>

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[vpFREE] What are the odds on Odd Frank?

 

Do you think Frank will EVER start calling it "9/6 JoB" instead of "6/9 JoB"?

Hey Frank! Let's compromise. For your New Years Resolution for 2012!, see if you can switch over to "9/6" instead of "6/9". That gives you ten more months to get ready. I want to be reasonable.

I like you, Frank, but it's driving me NUTS!

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[vpFREE] Killing the Golden Deuce

 

I just heard from a higher up at my sponsor the Palms, that the Bingo Card Promo was canceled due to illegal abuse from players seeking to make more than the promo was worth. They intended to keep it going until the players abused it.

You should be ashamed, whoever you are. When a casino as nice as The Palms is to professionals, you don't seek to take even more than they are fairly offering. That's like what Christopher Columbus did on Hispaniola when he slaughtered the very natives that had rescued him and saved his life.

http://www.danielnpaul.com/ChristopherColumbus.html

There are fewer Casinos everyday that are friendly with good machines, and you kick them for it. Fooey on youee!

If you don't have enough ethics to keep to legal gambling, please wander off into some other business and stop bringing down a bad reputation on ours.

The VP pros I know and associate with, are not just the most honest gamblers I know, they are the most ethical and honest people I've ever known.

When you deliberately break rules, you lower us to common criminals.

All that is required to gain an advantage playing VP is:

1. Playing the right machines
2. Playing correct strategy
3. Playing at the right times (in the case of progressives or promos)
4. A little hard work and dedication

It not us against them. But if you treat it that way, it will make it that way.

~A teacher is to a student, like the water to the soil. He cannot grow a pomegranate from a mustard seed.

~FK

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[vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour

 

Well I guess we need to distinguish between one & two machine players. It might interest you to know, since I've been playing two for so long, my single machine play speed has decreased significantly and it fatigues me much faster. The hand position is much more like playing the piano when you play two. I'm now a very average 1 machine player.

How about a separate poll for each.

1 Machine Players:
In a best case scenario, on a single 1 speed machine with simultaneous hold buttons, what is the fastest you can play without error, or at least miscue? This assumes an easy game, like 6/9 Job or 5/9 Deuces.

500-700
700-800
800-900
900-1000
1000-1050
1050-1100
1100-1150
1150-1200
1200-1250
1250-1300
1300-1350
1350-1400
1400+
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Two machine players:

In a best case scenario, on two machines set to 1 speed, with simultaneous hold buttons, what is the fastest you can play without error, or at least miscue? This assumes an easy game, like 6/9 Job or 5/9 Deuces.

1100-1200
1200-1300
1300-1400
1400-1500
1500-1600
1600-1650
1650-1700
1700-1750
1750-1800
1800-1850
1850-1900
1900-1950
1950-2000
2000+

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@...> wrote:
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> On 5 Feb 2011 at 11:46, Frank wrote:
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> > P.S. Could we do a Poll on everyones HPH?
>
> OK.
>
> Compose a poll question that covers all of the HPH bases
> and we'll do a poll.
>
> vpFREE Administrator
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour

 



----- Original Message -----
From: "bobbartop" <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2011 11:01:55 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com , "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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> My play is a little hard to believe, unless one has seen it. In this case, I believe doubt is only good sense.
>

>I'm just an occasional visitor to Vegas, but I remember once about six years ago I stopped by the Palms and I saw this guy playing a machine in a blazingly fast manner. I was still a VP newbie back then and I'd like >to see that guy again so I could get a clue how he was doing it. I do remember, though, that he stuck out like a sore thumb to me because it was so impressive. I remember thinking to myself that there could be no >way whoever that guy was could stay under the casino's radar as an extremely skilled player.

>I don't know who he was, but I've never seen anyone else approach how fast this guy was. It was more than impressive, it was freakish! lol

I understand what your saying.  Two years ago, I was staying at the Palazzo  with my wife.  One night I noticed a guy playing two $2 9/6 Jacks machines at the same time.   He was sitting in the middle of the two machines and playing one with his right hand and one with his left hand.  He looked like a concert pianist fluidly playing both machines at the same time.  I was so impressed that I found my wife and told her to come look see.  The guy just kept playing effortlessly.  Three hours later, I went back to the same area and he was still there, playing at the same speed without missing a beat.  I really would like to know who this person is.  I've never seen anything like it since.  As for myself, I usually average about 800 hands per hour, if I want to, without to much effort.  I can play up to 1200 hph on the computer with minimal mistakes.  Bathroom breaks will take this total down.  

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[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 6 FEB 2011

 

Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 6 FEB 2011

"Brad´s Gambling Life - Part 3, Childhood Adventures"

http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=999

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[vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour

 

Hi Frank that sounds very similar to pinball -- a person can get very good in 3-4 years, but to master the most subtle aspects and become world class would take most people about a decade (an additional six years). Have you ever tried pinball ? While not lucrative in any way,shape or form it is a lot of fun.

Cheers, Pinball1932

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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> I have an addendum. You are correct in stating that quite a few can, and do play at 2000 per hour plus. What I think you might not be considering is that to increase that speed the remaining 10%, takes about 3-4 times as long as it took to get to the 90% marker.
>
> It's a lot like the time required to become a soloist at the piano. Most people can get good enough for the bar-player level, in about 4 years, but in most cases it takes another 12 years to make it to the classical concert circuit as a soloist.
>
> A good friend of mine in high school, named Henry Becker, was the best player in town when he got here at age sixteen, and intended to do another 8 years of study before starting his career.
>
> Anyway, as I said before, I took me six years to reach my max speed, and I hope you are all smart enough not to make the same mistake I did and waste that much time on something no one really cares about.
>
> This is the first time in 10 years it's even come up in conversation.
>
> ~FK
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:If you have the hand eye coordination to play at that speed accurately, you should be a Tennis player or an astronaut, or something else and making Millions a year.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "seedub49" <seedub49@> wrote:Of course, I'm NOT saying that YOU couldn't have been any of those things, but I do know that playing well over 2000 hph accurately is not as difficult as that statement suggests. I know several people who can do it, and I'm sure they all would agree that it requires a much smaller and simpler skill-set than being a professional athlete, astronaut, etc... Now if you wanted to say that they could really kick-ass at first-person-shooter style video games, I'd probably agree that requires a much more similar skill-set. Maybe I'm over-estimating what it takes to be a professional athlete or astronaut, but I certainly believe you are over-estimating what it takes to play vp at that speed accurately.
> >
> > In response to the comment about how they could be making millions a year doing other things, that's certainly possible. But I think averaging well into six figures a year (some while averaging "part-time" hours) isn't exactly tragedy.
> > >
> > > Knowing this, and having nothing to show for my life but a few VP Jackpots and Tournament wins is a great sadness to me, and nothing to envy.
> >
> > I am very sorry to hear about the sadness you feel regarding this. Obviously, people derive their fulfillment in different ways, and it certainly sounds like this was not the right path for you. While I don't think I know anyone who would call vp as a profession fulfilling, the time and experiences that it allows for you to enjoy with your loved ones can be very fulfilling--as long as you've learned to balance quality of life with chasing after the next play.
> >
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: NSUD BACK In Jackpot Joanie's

 

Ok thanks, I have a condo in henderson, Warmsprings and Green Valley PKWy. I will look.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, surfmike@... wrote: Where is this place? Toyman

Sorry. I thought everyone knew. It's a small chain of bars and smoke shops in Las Vegas. Here's the number and location of one. I'd call them to get the other locals. I believe there are 6.

8978 Spanish Ridge Ave Las Vegas, NV 89148
(702) 341-9333

It's similar to Dotty's, but newer and with a fancy slot card system. Noticed I'm saying "fancier", not "better"!

Now you have to send me 10%, but only if you win.

~FK

P.S. Of course I'm kidding about the 10%. How about 15%? Alright, I'll settle for a smile.

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[vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour

 

This Hands Per Hour talk reminds me of a hustler friend of mine we called Hawaiian Derek, the fastest flush attacker alive. At least we thought so at the time. I never seen Frank play. I'll have to set this story up a little bit. This goes back to 1997.

The most competitive LINKED-BANK flush attack I ever saw was the 18 machine bank at the Riverside in Laughlin. It was at the base of the elevator up to the bingo hall.

On a linked bank it takes 15 points worth of flushes to put the entire bank into FLUSH ATTACK mode. If player in seat one made a one-coin flush, then he put one point in. If player in seat 6 made a two-coin flush she put 2 points in. If player in seat 8 made a 5-coin flush he put 5 points in. Once 15 points of flush were accumulated the top of the screens of all the machines lit up and said "FLUSH ATTACK." Even the vacant machines. The next player to make a flush got paid 125 coins. Then it would take 15 points worth of flush to turn the light on again.

A player who only played in flush attack mode with correct strategy held a 35% edge. But there was big time heat on the Riverside bank. One had to disguise their play. You couldn't just sit there between lights. There was all kinds of techniques....one-coining between lights being the most prevalent.

I also would judge up the bank, the hustler to ploppie ratio. So you had to know your hustlers. And you had to judge your ploppies up for how much action they were making as they were the ones creating the lights. In some scenarios it was a dream game, all 18 machines being played, with lights coming about every three minutes. In other scenarios their were not that many players and the ploppie to hustler ratio wasn't good, lights only coming about every half hour. It's the latter situation I avoided. The hourly rate wasn't good and I was just exposing myself to heat.

So anyways Hawaiian Derek was a classic. He wore disguises and all. One day he's bald headed wearing a business suit. Another day he's a hayseed cowboy, jeans, boots, hat and all. I don't think the disguises did him any good because you could always tell it was Hawaiian Derek when the flush attack light came on.

Derek always locked up two machines if he could. He knew every trick in the book to make it look like he was making action between the lights. But he wasn't moving very fast at all. He knew every stall trick. But when the light came on LOOK OUT! He was faster than greased lighting. Slapping butttons on two machines. A human tornado. The Tasmanian Devil. Ploppies on the bank would stop watch him play. ROFLMAO!

When the light went out, whether he got it or not, he went back to his slower than molasses routine. Waiting for the next light.

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour

It's actually a skill you can hone. Many years ago I saw a special on ESPN about skilled athletes and their ability to process information the eyes see and act upon it. Elite hitters in baseball, for example, have an ability to see and process things that the average person can't. It's not the "seeing" part or even "hand-eye coordination" that is the key, it's the "processing" part that makes them stand-out. The special showed the exercises athletes would do to help develop that skill set. Tony Gwynn (I think) would look at a white screen and a circle of light the size of a baseball would be flashed on it which contained 4 random numbers. He would work the speed faster and faster to hone his ability to process what his eyes saw. He could pull 4 numbers out of a flash and call them out before my mind even processed that there had been a flash. He would do the same thing with a circle of light that moved in a circle on the screen. I couldn't following the light, let alone even see the numbers inside of it. His eyes could follow the light and process what they saw at speeds that were unbelievable. Some NFL WR would stare at a board of lights which would illuminate in a random manner. He would touch each light as it illuminated. He could go so fast it defied explanation. There were other similar exercises that they would do to help.

In short, I believe Frank's speed as I have seen first-hand people who can see, process, and react more quickly than I would ever believe possible.


To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: bobbartop@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:01:55 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>.
>
> My play is a little hard to believe, unless one has seen it. In this case, I believe doubt is only good sense.
>

I'm just an occasional visitor to Vegas, but I remember once about six years ago I stopped by the Palms and I saw this guy playing a machine in a blazingly fast manner. I was still a VP newbie back then and I'd like to see that guy again so I could get a clue how he was doing it. I do remember, though, that he stuck out like a sore thumb to me because it was so impressive. I remember thinking to myself that there could be no way whoever that guy was could stay under the casino's radar as an extremely skilled player.

I don't know who he was, but I've never seen anyone else approach how fast this guy was. It was more than impressive, it was freakish! lol

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[vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
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> Might have just been a tweaker, they play really fast also. The fastest players are probably the tweakers, but they make a lot of mistakes, if they even have any credits in the machine, sometimes they're just pretending to play to hustle drinks.
>

Nope, not a tweaker, not this guy. He was a real player, whomever he was.

And thanks for the Stuey link, Iguana, that was very interesting.

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[vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
> I don't know who he was, but I've never seen anyone else approach how fast this guy was. It was more than impressive, it was freakish! lol

Might have just been a tweaker, they play really fast also. The fastest players are probably the tweakers, but they make a lot of mistakes, if they even have any credits in the machine, sometimes they're just pretending to play to hustle drinks.

Stu Unger "Nobody was quicker":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EAO9CFnHBw

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[vpFREE] Re: NSUD BACK In Jackpot Joanie's

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, surfmike@... wrote: Where is this place? Toyman

Sorry. I thought everyone knew. It's a small chain of bars and smoke shops in Las Vegas. Here's the number and location of one. I'd call them to get the other locals. I believe there are 6.

8978 Spanish Ridge Ave Las Vegas, NV 89148
(702) 341-9333

It's similar to Dotty's, but newer and with a fancy slot card system. Noticed I'm saying "fancier", not "better"!

Now you have to send me 10%, but only if you win.

~FK

P.S. Of course I'm kidding about the 10%. How about 15%? Alright, I'll settle for a smile.

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