[vpFREE] Smart Phones and Gaming Apps

 


I received the following email today from a knowledgeable friend. I am posting it with permission --- however my friend wishes to remain unnamed.


Hello Bob,

FYI - Using electronic strategy Apps.

Several properties in Colorado will stop your play, and give you one warning.
They cite that Colorado statutes mirror Nevada's.
It is a misdemeanor in Colorado , and a felony in Nevada (they quote).

Bellagio, MGM, Golden Nugget, Palms, and some Station Properties will stop your play at once!

Just not worth the time, expense, and risk of getting trespassed for life, just to test it in court, and be branded a cheat.
(Sounds like an entire show for GWAE with the legal beagle guy!)

Just do it the old fashioned way, practice, practice, practice, and master the game(s),
Or just pull out a Bob Dancer strategy card for those extra difficult hands!

Bob Dancer comments: This is the first I've heard of this. Of the properties my friend listed I only play at the Palms and have never heard of or seen it happen there.

I trust my friend as a knowledgeable reporter. At the same time, if it actually happens at so many different places it strikes me as very strange that I've never heard of it before. I'm not quite sure how to balance these two things.

If anybody else has had personal experience with this I would certainly like to hear about it.

Although I've never used an iPhone video poker APP in a casino, I have used the wizard's video poker strategy calculator --- which will tell you how to play each hand if you know how to read it. I'm not sure how big of a distinction that is.

Using a strategy card you need to accurately distinguish between the following combinations, as an example: QJ9, QJ8, QT9, QT8, Q98. Some are worth considerably more than some of the others. With an iPhone APP, you don't need to know what the differences are. You just need to input the hand correctly.

Although most participants on vpFREE have the ability to correctly read a strategy card, it's not a trivial accomplishment. In my classes I get lots and lots of students who make all sorts of mistakes in identifying card combinations.

You actually have to be quite good to have a strategy card and an iPhone APP be equivalent. And if a casino wanted to press the law literally, using a strategy card is against the law.

I'm not surprised casinos give you warnings first. Were I to get such a warning, I would instantly heed it. (And would recommend others heed warnings as well.)

Bob





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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 


HF reported: Mike Shackleford said on the GWAE radio show that vpgenius is working for him now.

Sort of, but not exactly. J.B., who indeed works for the wizard of odds site, created vpgenius.com and supported it for years. Some time ago J.B. sold vpgenius to another party.

J.B. now has no affiliation with the vpgenius site.However, J.B. still has the same (and presumably improved) skillset he had when he supported vpgenius and now uses those skills on the wizardofodds.com site

Bob



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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
> In a related matter, now that VP Genius seems to be down for good, does
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> play online with a "corrector" if you make the wrong play?

Mike Shackleford said on the GWAE radio show that vpgenius is working for him now.

His site has a vp tutor ==> http://wizardofodds.com/play/video-poker/

and hand analyzer ==> http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/hand-analyzer/

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 
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Re: [vpFREE] Doing CZR Great Race

 


On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Hank <grayfx1949@yahoo.com>

> So let's hear your views on the above casinos, restaurants, best vp, diamond lounges, nearby must sees and do's, etc.
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Stay home.

TC
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[vpFREE] Doing CZR Great Race

 

Hi Gang,
 
Wife and I have decided to do a 8-9 day road trip and secure our $750 per person in
comps from the Great Race promotion. I am mid-level diamond, wife is gold. We
secured comped rooms in all venues except Joliet and St. Louis.
 
What I would like to ask the group for is any information they could provide for
the following casinos we will be visiting:
 
Cleveland....Windsor....Joliet....St. Louis....Metropolis....Elizabeth.
 
We have already done AC and Philly, so by doing the above we will have our
15 points. We do not intend to play more than the required 25 tier points per person
playing the best .25 cent VP available. So let's hear your views on the above casinos,
restaurants, best vp, diamond lounges, nearby must sees and do's, etc.
 
I thank you all in advance for your time and consideration.
 
Hank (Grayfox) and Bonnie

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 

I may not be the best one to say this as I have been guilty in the past of piling on Bob Dancer. The effect was that Bob wouldn't post on vpFREE for quite awhile. And I lost insight from one of the best minds in the business. That's not so say that I won't exchange in meaningful debate in the future. But I refrain from nitpicking him anymore.

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 



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I agree with Bob that there is essentially no risk. Really it's the same as using strategy cards. If it becomes an issue we will know about it.
In a related matter, now that VP Genius seems to be down for good, does anyone know of a free site where on can get the EV of various hands and play online with a "corrector" if you make the wrong play?

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[vpFREE] Re: Phone apps (Was Bob's Column)

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@...> wrote:
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> That reminds me of when a visiting friend asked me to help him learn how to play VP. I thought he was doing really well at FPDW. This guy's no dummy, he's a Harvard law grad. So I took him to Sam's Town. The minute I turned my back, he says, "I kept seeing aces, so I held one, and look! Two more popped up!"
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Just to speak up for fellow law school grads- not many of us would need to be told twice not to save unpaired aces in FPDW once we saw the math.

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