[vpFREE] Re: WMS "My Poker" not looking so hot

 

Totally agree that slot managers need to do more. From what I have seen in casinos currently, casinos are generally treating this game very similarly to "Ultimate X". Many casinos have not bothered to up Ultimate X paytables much beyond 8/5 DDB from what I have personally seen. But unlike Ultimate X, the "multiplier hook" of "Winning Streak" is not nearly as strong as Ultimate X, in my opinion. Tons of people love Ultimate X even at 8/5 DDB or worse because of the "12X miracle". Every time I walk by "Winning Streak Poker" it's pretty empty.

Also Dave "haaljo" wrote this:

Did notice it took awhile for the different games to load. Something you used to see 20 years ago.

Personally this annoyed the crap out of me as well, because it took minutes to compare paytables on these WMS units when I tried to.

If slot managers want players to play these games regularly, they need to up the base tables a couple of units. Many VP "addicts" are aware that paytables matter in their state, so they will remain at the better ones, unless the game has a very good "hook".

> Of course, any slot manager worth his salt should recognize that implicit spread between optimal returns on the game and likely player actual returns and look to strengthen paytables to entice. (I've yet to encounter a slot manager "worth his salt".)
>
> - H.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas V" <tringlomane@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, even though this game may be more simply described as "Multi-Strike in reverse", it's not exactly the same because now hands with varying payoffs that move up the multiplier ladder, so your strategy directly depends on those hands' values and their current multiplier ...
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[vpFREE] Re: WMS "My Poker" not looking so hot

 

Appreciate the clarifications to this post, Douglas.

I awoke a few minutes ago after an hour's nap (have a few things that need attending to before Monday that I hadn't had the opportunity to attend to yet), and in waking found my thoughts drifting back to this thread.

It quickly dawned on me that strategy considerations were considerably more complicated than I originally contemplated for the reasons you suggest ... earlier hands are advanced up the multiplier ladder by later wins.

My realization was that if you had a quad win sitting at 5x, on the last hand, you would play it similarly to the first level of multistrike -- where the emphasis is on simply getting a win of any kind. So, for example, you hold lone high cards over low pairs.

As you stress, strategy is dependent upon the value of the played hands that you have poised to advance to the next multiplier with another win. This gives rise to a variable strategy that is even more complex than that of STP MS.

Of course, any slot manager worth his salt should recognize that implicit spread between optimal returns on the game and likely player actual returns and look to strengthen paytables to entice. (I've yet to encounter a slot manager "worth his salt".)

- H.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas V" <tringlomane@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, even though this game may be more simply described as "Multi-Strike in reverse", it's not exactly the same because now hands with varying payoffs that move up the multiplier ladder, so your strategy directly depends on those hands' values and their current multiplier ...

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[vpFREE] Re: WMS "My Poker" not looking so hot

 

The concept of the Winning Streak machines is different from Multistrike.
First, for each consecutive win you get a multiplier for ther previous
hands. After the 4th consecutive win you get paid on the 4th line (10x) and
all other hands go up one level and you keep playing until you lose. I've
got 22 consecutive smal winnings for a total of 2,5 k coins -
unfortunately, I was playing dimes.

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[vpFREE] Re: WMS "My Poker" not looking so hot

 

Yes, even though this game may be more simply described as "Multi-Strike in reverse", it's not exactly the same because now hands with varying payoffs that move up the multiplier ladder, so your strategy directly depends on those hands' values and their current multiplier.

I responded to an extreme example of this on the videopoker.com forums (as Vman96) early this year to someone who asked about whether she should have kept 4 to an open-ended straight flush vs. a single Jack. She currently had AWAK worth a Royal sitting on a 5X multiplier. Correct answer: Hold the Jack and pray for any winner.

http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5208

Thread also includes very depressing Royal Flush by me at 10X by playing the "play money" game. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Unfortunately because of these hand-dependent issues, even the Wizard of Odds has given up on trying to calculate an optimal return or a strategy. Also the Wizard of Odds webmaster has done these following simulations for 9/5 Jacks or Better (98.45% optimal for single line play):

If one follows exact single-line 9/5 JoB strategy at all times: 94.21% return.

If one always adds four units (streak bet value) to the paytable and play optimal strategy for 804/54/29/13/9/8/7/6/5: 97.19% return.

WMS claims that optimal strategy is 98.77% for 9/5 JoB w/Winning Streak.

As for Harry's post, I agree, these mainly haven't taken off because the paytables are generally terrible, even in Vegas!! Best I found in the regular VP was 55/8/5 JoB for nickels at Horseshoe Hammond. But their dollar machines there paid exactly the same as nickel machines...lol

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pyiddy" <pyiddy@...> wrote:

>
> I believe that because of this, the strategy is going to be much more
> difficult than multi-strike.
>
>
>
> From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> vp_wiz
> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:31 PM
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: WMS "My Poker" not looking so hot
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Turns out that there is a Free Ride equivalent that appropriately brings the
> full wager game return up to snuff (for a "full pay" paytable). (FWIW,
> Wizard of Odds discussion lacks an analysis and instead relies upon return
> stats from WMS).
>
> Again, I haven't looked at this for more than a minute or so, but I presume
> game strategy can be determined in a similar manner to MultiStrike. However,
> the 2/4/6 augments used for MultiStrike will have different values in this
> game. (I presume they're something like 2.0/4.5/7.0).
>
> As has been mentioned, critical problem with the game is that there are no
> reports of strong 99%+ paytables being installed.
>
> - H.

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: WMS "My Poker" not looking so hot

 

This game uses a thing called "Free Streak" which is almost exactly the same
as "Free Ride". (The pay tables shown in the Wizard of Odds article show the
"free streak" frequencies.)

The streak bet is a side bet of 4 units so 5 total bets and after the fourth
paying result you continue to play until you lose with each additional
winner pushing a hand to the 10x multiplier. (I think the way I read it the
winners advance from the first on so getting four paying hands means the
first one pays 10x not the last.)

I believe that because of this, the strategy is going to be much more
difficult than multi-strike.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
vp_wiz
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:31 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: WMS "My Poker" not looking so hot

Thanks.

Turns out that there is a Free Ride equivalent that appropriately brings the
full wager game return up to snuff (for a "full pay" paytable). (FWIW,
Wizard of Odds discussion lacks an analysis and instead relies upon return
stats from WMS).

Again, I haven't looked at this for more than a minute or so, but I presume
game strategy can be determined in a similar manner to MultiStrike. However,
the 2/4/6 augments used for MultiStrike will have different values in this
game. (I presume they're something like 2.0/4.5/7.0).

As has been mentioned, critical problem with the game is that there are no
reports of strong 99%+ paytables being installed.

- H.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "GilbertA"
<gilrus47@...> wrote:
>
> The game is analyzed on the Wizard of Odds website if you want the return.

>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "vp_wiz"
<harry.porter@> wrote:
> >
> > As a "rip off", Winning Streak appears to be clumsily executed (relative
to the fine tuning with which MultiStrike was implemented).
> >
> > WMS has omitted the "Free Ride", which was a device that LED used ensure
that player return wasn't diminished as number of levels played (total
wager) is increased. (A requirement in some jurisdictions.)
> >
> > In fact, I wonder if the WMS Winning Streak is even compliant in such
jurisdictions, except for very weak paytables.
> >
> > The bottom line is that it's my guess that even if Winning Streak
features a strong base paytable such as 9/6 JB, the overall max-wager game
return is inferior (rather than stronger) ... perhaps why one shouldn't
expect to see strong paytables on a WS machine.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"pyiddy" <pyiddy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Their new "Winning Streak" VP looks like a rip off of Multi-Strike.
(IGT was
> > > able to introduce Pick-A-Pair even though that is an exact clone of
Bally's
> > > PickEm so I suspect that it will survive legal issues.)
> >
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: MLife Platinum ?

 

In addition, hotel and food bills earn 25 points per dollar spent, so splurging on a nice room and/or some nice dinners can help get you there also.

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[vpFREE] Re: MLife Platinum ?

 

At $10/10 tier pts (the effective video poker tier earn rate for mLife LV properties), you have $30K coin-in to renew your Platinum.

I would think a likely candidate would be the $1 50-plays in the H/L at MGM, where you could take your time and play a single line of $1 9/6 JB, or accelerate things by playing 2 or 3 lines, without "excessive" risk.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "royalandme" <royalandme@...> wrote:
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> I was aware of the Sept. 30th date, but I don't live in Vegas and I can only make 1 more trip. I normally play $1 vp, but to make the 30,000 points I was planning on playing $1 or $5 slots at Bellagio.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to guess that you think you only have until June 30 to renew your Platinum. According to the "About mLife" webpage, you have right up to the day before the new program year begins (i.e. Sep 30) to re-qualify Platinum tier.
> >
> > Since June 30 represents 75% of the mLife calendar year, you're actually ahead of schedule in accumulating 200,000 total points.
> >
> > As far as anticipated cost of earning the residual 30,000 points, one would need to know where you play and what you typically play to provide a decent cost estimate (prior to promotional offsets).
> >
> > - H.
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "royalandme" <royalandme@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm a current Platinum member who is lacking 30,000 points to obtain Platinum status for another year.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to determine an approximate dollar range I would need to spend to acquire the additional 30,000 points?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your help.
> > >
> >
>

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[vpFREE] Vegas Values Report - 16 JUN 2013

 

Vegas Values Report - 16 JUN 2013

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/vegas-values/june-16-2013-vegas-values-report.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/m2owkj9

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[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 16 JUN 2013

 

Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 16 JUN 2013

"Tripping out of Town"

http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=2888

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[vpFREE] Re: MLife Platinum ?

 

I was aware of the Sept. 30th date, but I don't live in Vegas and I can only make 1 more trip. I normally play $1 vp, but to make the 30,000 points I was planning on playing $1 or $5 slots at Bellagio.

Thanks again for your help.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
> I'm going to guess that you think you only have until June 30 to renew your Platinum. According to the "About mLife" webpage, you have right up to the day before the new program year begins (i.e. Sep 30) to re-qualify Platinum tier.
>
> Since June 30 represents 75% of the mLife calendar year, you're actually ahead of schedule in accumulating 200,000 total points.
>
> As far as anticipated cost of earning the residual 30,000 points, one would need to know where you play and what you typically play to provide a decent cost estimate (prior to promotional offsets).
>
> - H.
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "royalandme" <royalandme@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm a current Platinum member who is lacking 30,000 points to obtain Platinum status for another year.
> >
> > Is there a way to determine an approximate dollar range I would need to spend to acquire the additional 30,000 points?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
>

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[vpFREE] Re: MLife Platinum ?

 

I'm going to guess that you think you only have until June 30 to renew your Platinum. According to the "About mLife" webpage, you have right up to the day before the new program year begins (i.e. Sep 30) to re-qualify Platinum tier.

Since June 30 represents 75% of the mLife calendar year, you're actually ahead of schedule in accumulating 200,000 total points.

As far as anticipated cost of earning the residual 30,000 points, one would need to know where you play and what you typically play to provide a decent cost estimate (prior to promotional offsets).

- H.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "royalandme" <royalandme@...> wrote:
>
> I'm a current Platinum member who is lacking 30,000 points to obtain Platinum status for another year.
>
> Is there a way to determine an approximate dollar range I would need to spend to acquire the additional 30,000 points?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: WMS "My Poker" not looking so hot

 

Thanks.

Turns out that there is a Free Ride equivalent that appropriately brings the full wager game return up to snuff (for a "full pay" paytable). (FWIW, Wizard of Odds discussion lacks an analysis and instead relies upon return stats from WMS).

Again, I haven't looked at this for more than a minute or so, but I presume game strategy can be determined in a similar manner to MultiStrike. However, the 2/4/6 augments used for MultiStrike will have different values in this game. (I presume they're something like 2.0/4.5/7.0).

As has been mentioned, critical problem with the game is that there are no reports of strong 99%+ paytables being installed.

- H.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "GilbertA" <gilrus47@...> wrote:
>
> The game is analyzed on the Wizard of Odds website if you want the return.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
> >
> > As a "rip off", Winning Streak appears to be clumsily executed (relative to the fine tuning with which MultiStrike was implemented).
> >
> > WMS has omitted the "Free Ride", which was a device that LED used ensure that player return wasn't diminished as number of levels played (total wager) is increased. (A requirement in some jurisdictions.)
> >
> > In fact, I wonder if the WMS Winning Streak is even compliant in such jurisdictions, except for very weak paytables.
> >
> > The bottom line is that it's my guess that even if Winning Streak features a strong base paytable such as 9/6 JB, the overall max-wager game return is inferior (rather than stronger) ... perhaps why one shouldn't expect to see strong paytables on a WS machine.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pyiddy" <pyiddy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Their new "Winning Streak" VP looks like a rip off of Multi-Strike. (IGT was
> > > able to introduce Pick-A-Pair even though that is an exact clone of Bally's
> > > PickEm so I suspect that it will survive legal issues.)
> >
>

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