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[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 22 AUG 2012

 

Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 22 AUG 2012

"Angry Gamblers"

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Re: [vpFREE] Mohegan Sun taking over management of Resorts AC

 
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[vpFREE] Mohegan Sun taking over management of Resorts AC

 



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[vpFREE] The Confidence Quantifier

 

I've been struggling to release The Confidence Quantifier utility for download on my website since mentioning it in my monthly Blackjack News letter article, and have learned the harsh lesson of trying to create software on a deadline.

I just plugged real random data into it which took me two weeks to accumulate (I used a physical deck of cards) and then tried non-random data generated by a non-random method. The utility told me that there was a 99.9999% chance the random data was truly random, but unfortunately, it also told me there was a 99.99% chance the made up data was also random.

Bottom Line: The utility is not sensitive enough given the chosen sample size, so I'm going to have to rethink it, simplify it, and try again.

I'm very sorry for all the delays, but there really wasn't anyway to know it would take this long until I tested it and it failed.

I'll post when it's complete.

~FK

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[vpFREE] Re: Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions

 

What a recipe for disaster!! Casino too cheap to pay an extra or "break" dealer to shuffle their own cards while the game is being run by the usual personnel, stupid enough to sign a deal where they not only don't "have to" check the decks, but aren't allowed to do so -- and so they're totally dependent on the manufacturer to get it right (and their own people to bring in the shuffled cards and NOT to bring in the wrong box of cards) - not too mention the possibility of the wrong box getting shipped or something else, which may be the source of the problem of un-shuffled cards showing up.

If they spread and check the cards at games where they DO shuffle themselves, why would it become acceptable practice to skip that step if the cards are pre-shuffled??? In the games where they shuffle themselves, they certainly don't rely on the manufacturer to have 52 perfect cards to make up the correct deck -- they check to see if there are 52 different ones, and check for marks on the backs.

And what about those automatic / continuous shuffling machines that are found at blackjack tables -- why not use those if all the other arguments don't carry enough weight?

If players are allowed to crease the cards, that's fine (I guess -- although I don't see the importance of that, and it's certainly not allowed at blackjack or poker -- I know, those games re-use the cards -- but so could baccarat if they didn't allow creasing). But if they allow the crasing, that certainly demands new cards every shoe, but why not shuffle themselves -- the 30 minutes of down-time? They don't mind that at the blackjack table when they use an eight-deck shoe -- and blackjack is a much faster game, so they are missing a lot more hands (although possibly not a lot more action, as baccarat tends to be higher-stakes -- but not so much for mini-baccarat, so...).

The only difference is opening the boxes for new cards, while blackjack already has the cards out of the boxes -- but even that's not true when they bring in new cards, usually once a shift or once a day at most casinos I've visited.

I can't think of a single excuse for this practice, and wonder if the liability of the casino is completely assumed by the manufacturer, no matter what the contract says, when a casino certainly has partial responsibility, not only for running the game, but also for making decisions as to who their suppliers are, the quality of the products and services they receive, etc. If I were the manufacturer, I'd do like others who produce products on which people rely -- they just say, if our product is defective, we'll replace it --- and they DO NOT take responsibility for the consequential disasters if they occur (such as losing important work because a backup disk is defective, for example).

--Barry Glazer
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> 3a. Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions -- I don't
> get it
>
>
> According to an article in today's paper, Golden Nugget in
> Atlantic City ordered a preshuffled bunch of cards to be
> used at baccarat, which I assume would be something like 8
> or more decks, since that is normally used for that
> game.  Players noticed the same order of cards coming
> out over and over and started betting high and then won 1.5
> million.  Now the casino doesn't want to pay them and
> they are suing, and the casino is suing Gemaco, the people
> who made the cards.
>
> This makes no sense to me.  First, why would a casino
> order a preshuffled deck from somewhere else?  They
> would have to shuffle the deck(s) again anyway after
> discarding.  Secondly, whenever I've seen new decks
> brought into a game, the casino always spreads the decks and
> then checks them for manufacturing errors.  Whether
> deck or decks were supposedly preshuffled or not, wouldn't
> the casino need to check them for manufacturing defects and
> thus see they weren't shuffled?  Wouldn't the casino
> want to reshuffle even supposedly preshuffled decks? 
> And why have them preshuffled anyway, for a onetime bonus of
> no shuffling...wouldn't you want to check the decks for
> defects, make sure the right number of cards were there, and
> then reshuffle?
>
> Can anyone explain this part of the story?  Makes no
> sense.

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[vpFREE] what happens in vegas....makes the news if you're a royal...

 
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Re: [vpFREE] vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - 20 AUG 2012

 

> gene scheel wrote:

> How can i acess scotts points column what i really would like is the extra points days at sams town,i know about the 11x/7x on sunday this month but was told they have something most DAYS TIA

Here's the point multiplier list from the LVA:
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/greatdeals-slotpromotions.cfm

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[vpFREE] Re: Coin Redemption

 

Okay, I think enough space has been used for this topic. Take the dang coins to a CoinStar machine and get it over with!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "NeilG" <neilgrund@...> wrote:
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>
> There are no TD banks on west coast and I believe they now require u to be an account holder for free coin counting.
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>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@> wrote:
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> > If they have TB Bank in Vegas, they have free coin redemption machine's.
> >
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> >  
> > Call Nevada State Bank. A year or two ago they had a cute commercial
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[vpFREE] Re: Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions -- I don't get it

 


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, MHS <mspevack@...> wrote:
> First of all, the Associated Press says it was MINI baccarat:

Sorry, I missed that.

> > They must be sealed
> > after the shuffle so that dealers and floor supervisors may not
inspect
> > them. It's a good idea when things work the way they're supposed to,
> > but apparently nobody stopped to think what might happen if things
went
> > wrong.
> >
> Sealing them after which "shuffle," Gemaco's?

Yes, the cards come sealed from the manufacturer and may not be opened
or inspected by the casino management except for signs of tampering.
The dealer must do a strip or riffle shuffle only if requested by a
player. N.J.A.C. 13:69E-1.18A.

>
> > It's shocking that Golden Nugget named the players in their lawsuit.
> > They might as well remove their baccarat game now.
> >
> Why is it "shocking"? What is more shocking is that the Nugget had a
> table of people betting $5,000 a hand and apparently didn't exercise
any
> supervision on it:

I once played for hours on a double-attack blackjack game where the
10-pip cards had not been removed, which gave the players a big
advantage. I was still there when the floor supervisor realized the
error. In that instance, the winning players were allowed to keep their
winnings and the losing players were reimbursed for their losses.
Demanding that the players point out the casino's error or forfeit their
winnings is unfair and unrealistic.

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[vpFREE] Re: Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions -- I don't get it

 

Several years ago I was told a story by a friend of mine "Jerry" who was an old grifter. It was about him and his buddy (partner in crime)playing social blackjack in a bar in Oregon. The bar owner made his money off the game by selling the table a brand new unsealed deck of cards every half hour.

On this scam, it was Jerry's job to get next to the barmaid. "She was ugly as a mud fence" he told me. "But I had to do my duty. I had to act like I was in love. It took a couple weeks but I got to going with her. I would stay after closing time and help her clean up. When the timing was right we switched out a whole case of cards on her."

"Did you make some money?" I asked.
"Oh, yeah."
"So what happened with you and the girl?"
"I was glad when we finally got the money and got the hell out of there!"

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions -- I don't get it

On 8/22/2012 7:35 AM, goldfada@verizon.net wrote:
>
> The cards in "big" baccarat shoes (as opposed to minibaccarat) are dealt
> only once because the players are allowed to crease the cards. Buying
> preshuffled cards saves the time otherwise required to shuffle them and
> thus allows the casinos to deal more hands in the same amount of time.
> New Jersey regulations allow preshuffled cards.
>

First of all, the Associated Press says it was MINI baccarat:
"ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — At first, it seemed like a coincidence, the
kind of thing that happens from time to time at a casino, where the same
number or same sequence of cards happens twice in a row. But when the
players at an April game of mini-baccarat at the Golden Nugget Atlantic
City kept seeing the same sequence of cards dealt, over and over and
over again, their eyes grew wide and their bets grew bigger, zooming
from $10 a hand to $5,000.

> They must be sealed
> after the shuffle so that dealers and floor supervisors may not inspect
> them. It's a good idea when things work the way they're supposed to,
> but apparently nobody stopped to think what might happen if things went
> wrong.
>
Sealing them after which "shuffle," Gemaco's?

> It's shocking that Golden Nugget named the players in their lawsuit.
> They might as well remove their baccarat game now.
>
Why is it "shocking"? What is more shocking is that the Nugget had a
table of people betting $5,000 a hand and apparently didn't exercise any
supervision on it:
"But when the players at an April game of mini-baccarat at the Golden
Nugget Atlantic City kept seeing the same sequence of cards dealt, over
and over and over again, their eyes grew wide and their bets grew
bigger, zooming from $10 a hand to $5,000." Maybe the Casino Control
Commission and Division of Gaming Enforcement have completely abdicated
their supposedly legally mandated duties.
>



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[vpFREE] Re: Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions -- I don't get it

 

The cards in "big" baccarat shoes (as opposed to minibaccarat) are dealt
only once because the players are allowed to crease the cards. Buying
preshuffled cards saves the time otherwise required to shuffle them and
thus allows the casinos to deal more hands in the same amount of time.
New Jersey regulations allow preshuffled cards. They must be sealed
after the shuffle so that dealers and floor supervisors may not inspect
them. It's a good idea when things work the way they're supposed to,
but apparently nobody stopped to think what might happen if things went
wrong.
It's shocking that Golden Nugget named the players in their lawsuit.
They might as well remove their baccarat game now.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Misscraps <misscraps@...> wrote:
>
>
> According to an article in today's paper, Golden Nugget in Atlantic
City ordered a preshuffled bunch of cards to be used at baccarat, which
I assume would be something like 8 or more decks, since that is normally
used for that game. Players noticed the same order of cards coming out
over and over and started betting high and then won 1.5 million. Now
the casino doesn't want to pay them and they are suing, and the casino
is suing Gemaco, the people who made the cards.
>
> This makes no sense to me. First, why would a casino order a
preshuffled deck from somewhere else? They would have to shuffle the
deck(s) again anyway after discarding. Secondly, whenever I've seen new
decks brought into a game, the casino always spreads the decks and then
checks them for manufacturing errors. Whether deck or decks were
supposedly preshuffled or not, wouldn't the casino need to check them
for manufacturing defects and thus see they weren't shuffled? Wouldn't
the casino want to reshuffle even supposedly preshuffled decks? And why
have them preshuffled anyway, for a onetime bonus of no
shuffling...wouldn't you want to check the decks for defects, make sure
the right number of cards were there, and then reshuffle?
>
> Can anyone explain this part of the story? Makes no sense.
>
> A new TV show called Cheating Vegas just focused on baccarat cheating
from the Tran family, which involved dealers in cahoots with players to
not shuffle part of the deck(s), which is understandable. But a casino
ordering preshuffled cards just makes no sense to me.
>

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