I saw that episode also
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:43 AM, <greeklandjohnny@aol.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
> I just watched the Bar Rescue esipode about the Sand Dollar in Las Vegas
> (Comcast on Demand). I noticed some interesting things:
>
> When Anthony Curtis was talking about how much a machine can generate, he
> stated you should see $3000 coin in per day per machine. If people are
> playing quarters leisurely ( 500 hands per hour) that would be a little
> under 5 hours of play per machine per day. He figured a 4-5% house edge and
> that would be $120-$150 per day or $44K to $55K per machine . With 14
> machines, that is $613K to $766K a year. And yet with that profit
> potential, they seemed more concerned about the drinks and band. Both of
> those are important but I would have spent a little more time on the gaming
> aspect. Making sure the games are clean, in good working order, hand pays
> occur quickly, etc.
>
> When AC was talking players hitting a royal, he mentioned a player tip of
> $100. Normally, I'd think that is crazy but this bar was trying to cater to
> the industry crowd. People in the service industry tip way more than most,
> so that number might be accurate. It's 10 times more than I would tip, but
> I was never a big Sand Dollar player.
>
> At the end of the show, the narrator said the pay tables went from worst
> in Las Vegas to best in Las Vegas. I saw them go from 6/5 BP to 7/5 BP. I'd
> have to watch it again to make sure but that is hardly the best paytables
> in Las Vegas.
>
> Interesting show. I might stop in on my September Las Vegas trip just to
> see what the place looks like now.
>
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[vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style
Jeffrey Wilens writes:
<< Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?
I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.
But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour? Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?
I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks. Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.
How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy? >>
Frankly, it's a little surprising to me to see this kind of message from someone frequenting VPFree. I expect that most of us play VP only if we think we can get an advantage from it. That could be monetary profit, or it could be only earning free rooms and meals. These days, the monetary advantage doesn't solely or even usually lie in the base expectation of whatever game one is playing. To me, the "fun" of VP lasts half an hour, maybe. After, that, I just want to get through it as quickly as possible.
If you're playing with an advantage, then you want to be able to play as fast as possible, to get as much coin in as possible during the time you have available. Or if you're aiming for some target amount of coin in, you want to get it done in as little time as possible, and get on with life.
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[vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style
Undoubtedly, there are a few athletes who can achieve amazing speeds. But I strongly suspect that MANY of the HPH claims that we see are exaggerated. Or that they amount to self-delusion. What I would suggest to anyone is to have a friend sit next to you, and count the number of hands you complete in 15 minutes. Then see what that comes out to per hour. And have the friend watch your play, and try to note any errors you make, too.
Personally, I think that I can do about 700 HPH without significant errors, under good conditions. With practice, I might be able to do better on a game with which I was very experienced, on a day when I was at my physical and mental peak.
Rather than work on pushing the limits on speed, I think that most players would be better off finding the pace at which they could play error-free. Squeezing in an extra 100 HPH is going to be greatly counterproductive, if at the cost of making even one serious error per hour.
Achievable speed is going to depend on many factors. It will be limited by the characteristics of the individual machine. While I can go at a good clip on a single line machine, I find that I'm much slower even on a three-play machine, just because of the rhythm of how the machine operates. It may be impossible to click past the paced display of results. It may be necessary to wait a beat before pressing the play button again. Sometimes pressing it early simply has no effect. Sticky buttons, of course, are the bane of our existence. Play too fast on one of those machines, and you'll get errors that have nothing to do with mentally making a wrong choice. Another example of a problem machine would be a wide-display machine such as is found at M Resort and various other places. I appreciate what they're trying to do by putting in big screens. However, it turns out that the card display extends beyond my field of vision, and I lose time having to dart left and right with my eyes to take it all in.
The game that one is playing is a big factor, of course. I maintain that you could train a chimp to play JOB. But most of us will be slower on something a lot more complicated, like Double Bonus.
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[vpFREE] Re: Vp playing style (speed)
Couple of years ago, Ct. Mohegan Sun eliminated comp points on the $1 and above FPPE (Actually, all paytables >~98%). The points had a cash equivalent of ~.2 percent. Back in the day, people played
2 pickem machines at a time and fast. Nightoftheiguana2000 sayz "tweakers."
Last visit, saw 2 PE machine fast action several times.
But nothing like a couple of years ago. Those still doing it aren't trying to get an advantage.
There getting a buzz. A feeling of euphoria. invincibility.
Got strung out on coffee like Kramer on Seinfeld free coffee episode.
Not my cup of tea. (pardon pun)
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Misscraps <misscraps@...> wrote:
>
>
> The main reason for playing fast is if you are in positive situation. If you are playing 9/6 JB for example with .04 in free play, the total will theoretically be over 100%, so the faster you play, the more you would theoretically win. But if you are say playing 9/6 with no free play, your theoretical win is under 100%, so no sense in playing super fast. No one (except maybe Bob Dancer) is a perfect player, and for most people, the faster you play, the more mistakes you are going to make. If the amount of your theoretical win including comps and free play (or mailed coupons) is going to be positive, then it MIGHT be worthwhile to worry about learning to play faster or playing on two machines. But the more you play, the more bankroll you'll need to. For the average player, trying to play faster to increase potential winnings is probably not worth worrying about.
>
> Another way to put more money through a machine (which is what u are doing by playing fast), is to increase the denomination you are playing, or play a multiline machine - go from single line to 3 play for example, go from 3 to 5, 5 to 10, etc. Again, you will need a higher bankroll. This might be a better alternative than worrying about speed, because your error rate won't go up.
>
> Another factor to remember is the more you play, the more you will hit w2g jackpots. Hitting them will slow your game back down as you stop to collect, and may cause more IRS problems. If you are only playing 25 cent single line anyway, just how much could you be winning per hour anyway? So increasing your speed isn't really going to do a lot anyway for most people.
>
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[vpFREE] Re: Vp playing style (speed)
Simplest reason I see for increased speed when you don't have a huge edge is something like the daily Tier Credit bonus at a Harrah's property.
If you're trying to hit the $10k coin in threshold for a day and like playing single line quarters, it's a huge difference in number of hours grinding between 800hph and 1200hph. One is a long day of play, the other is miserable work.
The answer of "just play a higher denomination" doesn't work if you're a disciplined player who respects bankroll requirements.
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[vpFREE] Vp playing style (speed)
The main reason for playing fast is if you are in positive situation. If you are playing 9/6 JB for example with .04 in free play, the total will theoretically be over 100%, so the faster you play, the more you would theoretically win. But if you are say playing 9/6 with no free play, your theoretical win is under 100%, so no sense in playing super fast. No one (except maybe Bob Dancer) is a perfect player, and for most people, the faster you play, the more mistakes you are going to make. If the amount of your theoretical win including comps and free play (or mailed coupons) is going to be positive, then it MIGHT be worthwhile to worry about learning to play faster or playing on two machines. But the more you play, the more bankroll you'll need to. For the average player, trying to play faster to increase potential winnings is probably not worth worrying about.
Another way to put more money through a machine (which is what u are doing by playing fast), is to increase the denomination you are playing, or play a multiline machine - go from single line to 3 play for example, go from 3 to 5, 5 to 10, etc. Again, you will need a higher bankroll. This might be a better alternative than worrying about speed, because your error rate won't go up.
Another factor to remember is the more you play, the more you will hit w2g jackpots. Hitting them will slow your game back down as you stop to collect, and may cause more IRS problems. If you are only playing 25 cent single line anyway, just how much could you be winning per hour anyway? So increasing your speed isn't really going to do a lot anyway for most people.
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[vpFREE] Re: Bar Rescue - Sand Dollar to Bar 702
Free advertising from TV and new paytables. Joint will be crowded.
Showing 7/5 BP on show but actually changing to fair bets was smart.
Think Curtis was disappointed the paytable change news was so quick?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Countgr8@... wrote:
>
> Every machine has at least one of the multiple games on it at a payback of
> over 99% and two of the machines have a game with over 100% payback on it
> (10-7 Double Bonus). I have not been to every bar in Las Vegas but I do not
> recall seeing another bar in LV that had 14 or more machines and had each
> and every one of them with a payback schedule of at least over 99%.
>
>
> In a message dated 7/23/2013 5:45:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> greeklandjohnny@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> I just watched the Bar Rescue esipode about the Sand Dollar in Las Vegas
> (Comcast on Demand). I noticed some interesting things:
>
> When Anthony Curtis was talking about how much a machine can generate, he
> stated you should see $3000 coin in per day per machine. If people are
> playing quarters leisurely ( 500 hands per hour) that would be a little under 5
> hours of play per machine per day. He figured a 4-5% house edge and that
> would be $120-$150 per day or $44K to $55K per machine . With 14 machines,
> that is $613K to $766K a year. And yet with that profit potential, they
> seemed more concerned about the drinks and band. Both of those are important
> but I would have spent a little more time on the gaming aspect. Making sure
> the games are clean, in good working order, hand pays occur quickly, etc.
>
> When AC was talking players hitting a royal, he mentioned a player tip of
> $100. Normally, I'd think that is crazy but this bar was trying to cater to
> the industry crowd. People in the service industry tip way more than most,
> so that number might be accurate. It's 10 times more than I would tip, but
> I was never a big Sand Dollar player.
>
> At the end of the show, the narrator said the pay tables went from worst
> in Las Vegas to best in Las Vegas. I saw them go from 6/5 BP to 7/5 BP. I'd
> have to watch it again to make sure but that is hardly the best paytables
> in Las Vegas.
>
> Interesting show. I might stop in on my September Las Vegas trip just to
> see what the place looks like now.
>
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>
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>
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[vpFREE] Re: Tuscany Casino Marketing Director Change
Another picture of Wendy:
https://talent.me/wendy-perez
Palms Springs High School then Pierce College in L.A.
When the next board member goes to confessional to get Wendy's forgiveness of sins, your much better off talking about Pierce College and business marketing rather than pole dancing.
Hope the above link's photo didn't disappoint :-)
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
>
> Jean, Perhaps if you tell her you think she would still look hot on a pole, that would help.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:02 AM, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Based on the photo, I mean resume, I'm sure marketing mistakes won't be a big problem for her.
> > >
> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/wendy-perez/23/196/872
> > >
> > >
> > She looks like a stripper to me.
> >
> >
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[vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
> Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:
> www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry
> http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html
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O.K. NOFG2000,
Thanks for the tweak leads and the article on ungar.
Nice. Won't spoil the fun for others on the tweaker mystery hunt.
The links you provided re Stu Ungar was excellent.
From what I gleaned, hospitality workers got 2 strikes against them. Adding gambling to the mix and do the math. Or is it gambling workers and then add hospitality.
This deserves more discussion on the board. I was in Laughlin 2 weeks ago and we were on the floor about 5 in the morning. There was a tweaker nodding-off at slot machine. Weighed all of 70 lbs. She was in late 20's/30's. One of our favorite hospitality workers was not happy:
"That girl over there. She keeps falling asleep"
Thought came to me, maybe the worker wanted me to complain to suit.
But looking back, it wasn't worker was not happy but rather very sad.
Laughlin/Bullhead has meth problem. Billboards all over. Police log...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>
> Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:
>
> www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry
>
> http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> >
> > Tweaker defined at urbandictionary.com
> > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tweaker
> > "...1. Person who constantly stays up cleaning, washing, organizing, powertooling, sorting or otherwise keeping themself busy doing menial tasks.
> > 2. Someone who constantly makes slight alterations on (usually a very specific) object, i.e. computer, software, automobile, etc.
> > 3. A compulsive liar, thief, or both.
> > 4. A methamphetamine ("tweak"), or other form of speed, addict (who displays all of the above in an obsessive-compulsive manner)..."
> >
> > None seem to fit description type of customer casinos want.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> > you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look.
> >
> > >
> >
>
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[vpFREE] Tuscany Issues
Just an update to my recent experience of having Brad's and my slot card "deactivated" at Tuscany. I talked to the new marking director, Wendy Perez, who explained that they were having trouble with a person – or persons – using more than one card. She said one person had been downloading free play from 20 different cards and they were trying to "catch" that person. I'm not sure that this explanation tells the whole story – but it does indicate that they are going after people who play on and/or collect from multiple cards. So a word to the wise...... She did add that this was NOT a problem for spouses.
We could keep our same cards, but we were asked to choose a new pin # and when we did a pickup today, all was well. This makes us breathe easier – we have over 4k in comps that we were afraid we might lose!!!
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Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
From: Vegasvpplayer
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:19 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tuscany Casino Marketing Director Change
Jean, Perhaps if you tell her you think she would still look hot on a pole, that would help.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:02 AM, "Mickey" <mailto:mickeycrimm%40yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Based on the photo, I mean resume, I'm sure marketing mistakes won't be a big problem for her.
> >
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/wendy-perez/23/196/872
> >
> >
> She looks like a stripper to me.
>
>
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RE: [vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style
Interesting article on "The Kid". Thanks for sharing.
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:21 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style
Here's the basic idea to get the party started:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdSArUWt0fo
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>
> Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:
>
> www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry
>
> http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> >
> > Tweaker defined at urbandictionary.com
> > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tweaker
> > "...1. Person who constantly stays up cleaning, washing, organizing, powertooling, sorting or otherwise keeping themself busy doing menial tasks.
> > 2. Someone who constantly makes slight alterations on (usually a very specific) object, i.e. computer, software, automobile, etc.
> > 3. A compulsive liar, thief, or both.
> > 4. A methamphetamine ("tweak"), or other form of speed, addict (who displays all of the above in an obsessive-compulsive manner)..."
> >
> > None seem to fit description type of customer casinos want.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> > you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look.
> >
> > >
> >
>
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From: nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:21 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style
Here's the basic idea to get the party started:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdSArUWt0fo
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>
> Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:
>
> www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry
>
> http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> >
> > Tweaker defined at urbandictionary.com
> > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tweaker
> > "...1. Person who constantly stays up cleaning, washing, organizing, powertooling, sorting or otherwise keeping themself busy doing menial tasks.
> > 2. Someone who constantly makes slight alterations on (usually a very specific) object, i.e. computer, software, automobile, etc.
> > 3. A compulsive liar, thief, or both.
> > 4. A methamphetamine ("tweak"), or other form of speed, addict (who displays all of the above in an obsessive-compulsive manner)..."
> >
> > None seem to fit description type of customer casinos want.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> > you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look.
> >
> > >
> >
>
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[vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style
Here's the basic idea to get the party started:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdSArUWt0fo
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>
> Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:
>
> www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry
>
> http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> >
> > Tweaker defined at urbandictionary.com
> > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tweaker
> > "...1. Person who constantly stays up cleaning, washing, organizing, powertooling, sorting or otherwise keeping themself busy doing menial tasks.
> > 2. Someone who constantly makes slight alterations on (usually a very specific) object, i.e. computer, software, automobile, etc.
> > 3. A compulsive liar, thief, or both.
> > 4. A methamphetamine ("tweak"), or other form of speed, addict (who displays all of the above in an obsessive-compulsive manner)..."
> >
> > None seem to fit description type of customer casinos want.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> > you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look.
> >
> > >
> >
>
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