[vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@> wrote:
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> > Mostly they do it by looking for bet variation. They figure anyone with a wide bet spread is a potential counter candidate. Then they'll typically have the eye watch the game for a while to see if the player's bet variations correlate with the count.
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> After that, I'd want to see how a player handles 16 versus dealer 10.
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> Also, insurance decisions.
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> Those two situations come up frequently. It shouldn't take long to determine a player is at least trying to count. It may take longer to decide how competent he is.
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> I believe Bob & Frank are going to have Bill Zender on their show soon. I hope he discusses HIS view on how "damaging" he thinks the average counter is to the casino's bottom line, playing green chips or less. I don't think he's too concerned.
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[vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@...> wrote:

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> Mostly they do it by looking for bet variation. They figure anyone with a wide bet spread is a potential counter candidate. Then they'll typically have the eye watch the game for a while to see if the player's bet variations correlate with the count.

After that, I'd want to see how a player handles 16 versus dealer 10.

Also, insurance decisions.

Those two situations come up frequently. It shouldn't take long to determine a player is at least trying to count. It may take longer to decide how competent he is.

I believe Bob & Frank are going to have Bill Zender on their show soon. I hope he discusses HIS view on how "damaging" he thinks the average counter is to the casino's bottom line, playing green chips or less. I don't think he's too concerned.

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[vpFREE] Re: LVRJ: Cosmopolitan Promotion

 

I was told by an Identity boothling that they will match levels from Strip casinos. Off-Strip requires a supervisor's approval. I don't know if the Palms, M, Hilton, et. al, are considered "off-Strip" for this promotion. Station and downtown casinos are.

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> They will match with equivalent of say diamond for harrahs in their
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> On Thursday, June 2, 2011, camwellcam <camwellcam@...> wrote:
> > Does anyone understand this from the article?
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> > "Don't have an identity card? Don't worry about it. The Cosmopolitan will match anyone's points from any other casino in Las Vegas. Just bring a rewards card to the Identity membership desk."
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> > ~cam
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> >> LVRJ: Cosmopolitan promotion attempts to bring visitors to struggling casino floor
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[vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <viajo1964@...> wrote:
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Is there any sort of law that says
> you have to allow them to do any more than ask you to leave either the table
> or the casino? I mean I would have said that I'm not going in any back room
> and I DEFINITELY would not have allowed them to take my picture other than
> the pictures they get with their security cameras..let me know if I'm off
> track here.
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Businesses have a general right to detain customers that they reasonably suspect of having committed a *crime* (shoplifting, stealing chips, etc.) until the police arrive. Card counting is clearly not a crime, therefore the casino has NO right to detain customers just because they suspect them of playing blackjack at a higher skill level than most of their other customers. Within the last 10 years or so there have been several fairly large judgements against casinos for false imprisonment and other related actions because they have decided to take counters to the "back room".

That doesn't mean the practice has stopped. Casino goons and some of their bosses seem to be slow learners. I suggest getting a book called "Beat the Players" for further reading on this subject. It will really open your eyes to a side of the industry that the casinos really don't want the public to know about.

EE

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[vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 

In my personal experience I have had the Hyatt Incline Village stand behind and watch me play a crappy return slot or VP for half an hour. I have gone there with a friend pushing 40 who does not look close to under 21 but have been asked for ID multiple times in the same evening. In all the casinos I have set foot into I have never had close to a more intrusive experience than the Hyatt. It could just be as easy as too much staff with nothing to do.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Valerie Pollard" <vpollard@...> wrote:
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> Gentle discussion nudge:
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> 1. "unwarranted"??? -- I was wondering about this aspect, having spent a lot of time at the Hyatt in Incline and never seeing security hovering over *anyone* during all of these years. Perhaps there are things. something or another, that drew their attention?
> That draws attention in other situations as well?
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> And as Rob S. said, that casino (Hyatt) is small and not always terribly busy, so the staff does tend to walk around and be in sight a lot of the time.
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> Valerie
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 

Gentle discussion nudge:

1. "unwarranted"??? -- I was wondering about this aspect, having spent a lot of time at the Hyatt in Incline and never seeing security hovering over *anyone* during all of these years. Perhaps there are things. something or another, that drew their attention?
That draws attention in other situations as well?

And as Rob S. said, that casino (Hyatt) is small and not always terribly busy, so the staff does tend to walk around and be in sight a lot of the time.

Valerie

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 

LOL..no doubt.

I forgot to add: Anyone sitting at the table mumbling "plus 1, plus 2, plus
2, plus 1...." is probably a (bad) card counter :-)

EE

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 

I saw a post somewhere that a guy was accused of card counting and not only
did they ask him to leave the table, they took him in the back room AND took
his picture like in a lineup or mug shot. Is there any sort of law that says
you have to allow them to do any more than ask you to leave either the table
or the casino? I mean I would have said that I'm not going in any back room
and I DEFINITELY would not have allowed them to take my picture other than
the pictures they get with their security cameras..let me know if I'm off
track here.

Lisa

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lisa"
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> As I am not a BJ player..how are they able to tell that you are counting
> cards? I've always wondered.
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[vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <viajo1964@> wrote:
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> > As I am not a BJ player..how are they able to tell that you are counting
> > cards? I've always wondered.
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I forgot to add: Anyone sitting at the table mumbling "plus 1, plus 2, plus 2, plus 1...." is probably a (bad) card counter :-)

EE

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[vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <viajo1964@...> wrote:
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> As I am not a BJ player..how are they able to tell that you are counting
> cards? I've always wondered.
>
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Mostly they do it by looking for bet variation. They figure anyone with a wide bet spread is a potential counter candidate. Then they'll typically have the eye watch the game for a while to see if the player's bet variations correlate with the count. If the correlation is good, then the player is highly likely to be a counter. Naturally, some casinos are fairly tolerant, and some are just downright paranoid SOBs.

As someone else mentioned on this thread, card counting is no guarantee of winning in the short run. Best realistic advantage is about 1%, and a player will have about as many losing sessions as winning sessions. Interestingly, everytime I have been tossed for counting I was LOSING at the time.

EE

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[vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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> This entire thread is really interesting to me. Rather than chime in with advice, explanation, elaboration, etc... I'm going to recuse myself and let it unfold without me. Much more fun to just listen in on this one.
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> I believe the good parts are yet to come.
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> Gentle discussion nudge:
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> 1. "unwarranted"???
> 2. POV reversal
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> ~FK
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I suspect the players in this thread who have had these unfortunate blackjack barrings were not well-studied on Ian Anderson's works, and probably wore a large "C" on their forehead.

C'mon, admit it, at least once you ordered a bottle of Evian water. lol

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[vpFREE] Re: Casinos with the most unwarrented "Heat" you have been in?

 

This entire thread is really interesting to me. Rather than chime in with advice, explanation, elaboration, etc... I'm going to recuse myself and let it unfold without me. Much more fun to just listen in on this one.

I believe the good parts are yet to come.

Gentle discussion nudge:

1. "unwarranted"???
2. POV reversal

~FK

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