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Does anyone have insight on getting comp drinks in casino on a RCCL? Going on Adventure of Seas in November. Thanks, RW.
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You use an alias. Are you in the wrong?
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If she was using aliases, she KNEW she was in the wrong.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:46 PM, rob.singer1111@yahoo.com <
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> A big score from a lawsuit after trespassing four times under
> different aliases? That looks like more of a personal problem than
anything else.
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> Obviously she is too well known to fly under the radar.
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Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 25 OCT 2012
"Putting the Fun Back into Gambling"
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If she was using aliases, she KNEW she was in the wrong.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:46 PM, rob.singer1111@yahoo.com <
rob.singer1111@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A big score from a lawsuit after trespassing four times under different
> aliases? That looks like more of a personal problem than anything else.
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>
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> Obviously she is too well known to fly under the radar.
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I think this discussion can be helpful to any regular vp player who might try to duplicate Bob's effort somewhere and hope for better results.
The question is, did he KNOW FOR CERTAIN the hold on the machines he played, based on maybe inside information or from a published report of overall machine holds at those denominations, and would others be able to approach similar promotions with the same amount of "accuracy"? The next question is, advantage play requires absolute information prior to stepping into the ring. How is that even possible when going up against a slot machine--with one of the concerns being if the "known" hold % was changed because it can be? It just seems this was too much of an overall pot shot for a disciplined, expert video poker player.
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I've thought about this too and Bob may have had some information about a particular machine but I don't think that is required. The south point probably reports holds on machines in general categories like 5 dollar slots. You also have some idea of which machines in a given denom have higher returns. This can make the play positive expected value. Of course there is higher order uncertainty, that you can lose both because your estimates of the ev were wrong or because you run bad. Of course higher order uncertainty doesn't change the ev but it balloons your variance. Plus it creates a second guessing mindset.
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I've thought about this too and Bob may have had some information about a particular machine but I don't think that is required. The south point probably reports holds on machines in general categories like 5 dollar slots. You also have some idea of which machines in a given denom have higher returns. This can make the play positive expected value. Of course there is higher order uncertainty, that you can lose both because your estimates of the ev were wrong or because you run bad. Of course higher order uncertainty doesn't change the ev but it balloons your variance. Plus it creates a second guessing mindset.
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> I'm left wondering how Bob could know what the holds were set at on the machines he played in order to come up with a theoretically positive play, and even if he thought he knew, why he wouldn't think the casino would change those holds for this particular promotion. And with the high amount of a top jackpot win, if hit, such a promotion wouldn't even be needed in order to come out ahead after that amount of play. I don't see the rationale on why this was such a good play.
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> My favorite line from Mr. Dancer's article:
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> "Had I hit a $20,000 or $40,000 jackpot I'd be doing fine."
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Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 24 OCT 2012
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LVA Question of the Day - 25 OCT 2012
Q: Will there be another Elvis extravaganza on Fremont
Street this coming year? Have friends from several different
locations on the East Coast who want to be there so we need
to begin coordinating ASAP. Can't find the info anywhere
online.
Read the answer here:
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