Re: [vpFREE] Re: From Where The Sun Now Stands

 

That was meant to be $10k (first sentence.)

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--- On Sat, 1/29/11, Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: From Where The Sun Now Stands
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 3:44 AM

 

This is the reason why, we don't play VP for a living. We can take $1k and turn it into $10 within 2 weeks.

However, to learn how, it would take at least a year and cost another enough for us to retire very well for life !

I LOVE playing VP and all of the tips, advice from those of you who are pro's. the stories are the greatest ! Thanks to all of you.

I won a whopping $202 last night at the Palms..hehe. I put $120 (as is my usual amount to start) into a VPDW machine, played for 2 hours and thankfully, I went strictly by Jeans trainer that I play a lot and wound up at $322. I had gotten to $470 and decided when it got down to a $202 profit, to let go and walk away joyful, having had fun and grateful for you all in this group :-)....not to mention, a chance to show off an Amazing new outfit..lol !

Men, you may not really 'get' that last sentence but, believe me, it matters and for me just brings to the outside the way that I feel inside.

Mickey, I love your true life stories, feel free to email me some that you have written at any time !

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~

It's not what I do, but the way I do it. It's not what I say, but the way I say it.

Mae West

--- On Sat, 1/29/11, ggman444 <gleng4444@comcast.net> wrote:

From: ggman444 <gleng4444@comcast.net>

Subject: [vpFREE] Re: From Where The Sun Now Stands

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 1:47 AM

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

>

> "Well, I can take a $1000 bankroll and triple it in a week PLAYING MACHINES. I can do it every time, without fail. I doubt if they could do that."

> "You can do it every time, without fail?"

> "That's right, Pat. Every time. Without fail."

.....................................................

REPLY: The caption and text reminded me of two things.

(1) A story told by Ken Uston in one of his books. A hustler who hung out in the Jockey Club offered Uston slightly favorable proposition odds that he (the hustler) could call correctly (heads or tails) on a coin that Uston brought and flipped. The guy won so often that Uston stopped taking the bet. He never figured out how the guy did it. Anyone??

(2) The original "From where the sun now stands..." statement, attributed to Chief Joseph, though probably written or at least polished by a literate US Cavalry soldier. Whoever said/wrote it, it contains lessons for aging fighters, gamblers, and drinkers.

"I am tired of fighting. Our chiefs are killed; Looking Glass is dead, Too-hul-hul-sote is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say yes or no. He who led on the young men is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets; the little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are — perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired; my heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever."

The GMan

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011

 

To be honest with you; I would not have done what he did.
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From: Frank
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011

In Bob's defense I can tell you that his actions are simply par for the course for marathon tournaments of the type he described.

You aren't playing against the casino, you are in direct competition with the other players, and it's basically "all's fair in love and VP tournaments".

We used to use every strong arm tactic in the book and a few that aren't, to win those things. And if you don't do it to the competition, the competition does it to you.

The difference between using the types of tactics Bob used and not, is the difference between winning and losing. Considering $50,000 was on the line, I believe he may have under-reacted.

Try to put yourself in his shoes, with what most people make in a year on the line, and tell me honestly you wouldn't have done the same or worse.

~FK

P.S. For the record I'm not defending Bob specifically, because he's now my radio show co-host. I'm defending marathon tournament players in general, because I happen to be one with 17 first places and 1 second place (when I slow-played so my partner could take first) to my credit. In fact, I have never entered a tournament of this type, if I wasn't 100% sure I or my partner would take first.

Nice guys don't always end up last in life, but they do in VP tournaments.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Marticello" <martret@...> wrote:
>
> I don't believe that Bob should have tormented Joyce the way he did. In my opinion it was in very bad form.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mikeymic
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:02 AM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nemartin2002@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011
> > >
> > > "Whom Do You Trust?"
> > >
> > >
> > Very interesting, from the standpoint of "heady" $$ amounts and "long-term" perspective of a competitive event. But a particular comment in the article got me wondering: "The promotion ended on Wednesday, December 29, at midnight. On Tuesday afternoon I got a phone call from somebody saying that Joyce was playing again."
> >
> > Did the "heads-up" call come fron anyone affiliated with the casino/resort? And if so - would that have any bearing on the final standing?
> >
> > Neil M.
>
> The notion of a casino employee contacting Mr. Dancer is certainly a possibility. But it honestly didn't occur to me.
>
> Instead, I would assume Bob had a few friends around town keep an "eye on things" much the same way you or I would network in watching a specific progressive. It was a precaution since he knew his investment would be significant. Simple as that.
>
> I don't always agree with him. But I do want to commend Mr. Dancer in his article for the honesty in reporting his losses during the event. Most of you understand the math and volatility of video poker. Yet others find a full-pay machine and still incorrectly fantasize that their loss size will somehow mirror that tiny percentage under 100% that the game takes from you long-term.
>
> And then you learn the cold, hard truth that in the short run it just doesn't work that way.
>
>
>
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: From Where The Sun Now Stands

 


This is the reason why, we don't play VP for a living. We can take $1k and turn it into $10 within 2 weeks.
However, to learn how, it would take at least a year and cost another enough for us to retire very well for life !
I LOVE playing VP and all of the tips, advice from those of you who are pro's. the stories are the greatest ! Thanks to all of you.
I won a whopping $202 last night at the Palms..hehe. I put $120 (as is my usual amount to start) into a VPDW machine, played for 2 hours and thankfully, I went strictly by Jeans trainer that I play a lot and wound up at $322. I had gotten to $470 and decided when it got down to a $202 profit, to let go and walk away joyful, having had fun and grateful for you all in this group :-)....not to mention, a chance to show off an Amazing new outfit..lol !

Men, you may not really 'get' that last sentence but, believe me, it matters and for me just brings to the outside the way that I feel inside.

Mickey, I love your true life stories, feel free to email me some that you have written at any time !

~ ¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.¸ Meredith ¸.•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ ~
It's not what I do, but the way I do it. It's not what I say, but the way I say it.
Mae West

--- On Sat, 1/29/11, ggman444 <gleng4444@comcast.net> wrote:

From: ggman444 <gleng4444@comcast.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: From Where The Sun Now Stands
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 1:47 AM

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

>

> "Well, I can take a $1000 bankroll and triple it in a week PLAYING MACHINES. I can do it every time, without fail. I doubt if they could do that."

> "You can do it every time, without fail?"

> "That's right, Pat. Every time. Without fail."

.....................................................

REPLY: The caption and text reminded me of two things.

(1) A story told by Ken Uston in one of his books. A hustler who hung out in the Jockey Club offered Uston slightly favorable proposition odds that he (the hustler) could call correctly (heads or tails) on a coin that Uston brought and flipped. The guy won so often that Uston stopped taking the bet. He never figured out how the guy did it. Anyone??

(2) The original "From where the sun now stands..." statement, attributed to Chief Joseph, though probably written or at least polished by a literate US Cavalry soldier. Whoever said/wrote it, it contains lessons for aging fighters, gamblers, and drinkers.

"I am tired of fighting. Our chiefs are killed; Looking Glass is dead, Too-hul-hul-sote is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say yes or no. He who led on the young men is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets; the little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are — perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired; my heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever."

The GMan

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 28 JAN 2011

 

Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 28 JAN 2011

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/greatdeals-slotpromotions.cfm

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[vpFREE] Re: From Where The Sun Now Stands

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
>
> "Well, I can take a $1000 bankroll and triple it in a week PLAYING MACHINES. I can do it every time, without fail. I doubt if they could do that."
> "You can do it every time, without fail?"
> "That's right, Pat. Every time. Without fail."
.....................................................
REPLY: The caption and text reminded me of two things.

(1) A story told by Ken Uston in one of his books. A hustler who hung out in the Jockey Club offered Uston slightly favorable proposition odds that he (the hustler) could call correctly (heads or tails) on a coin that Uston brought and flipped. The guy won so often that Uston stopped taking the bet. He never figured out how the guy did it. Anyone??

(2) The original "From where the sun now stands..." statement, attributed to Chief Joseph, though probably written or at least polished by a literate US Cavalry soldier. Whoever said/wrote it, it contains lessons for aging fighters, gamblers, and drinkers.

"I am tired of fighting. Our chiefs are killed; Looking Glass is dead, Too-hul-hul-sote is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say yes or no. He who led on the young men is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets; the little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are — perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired; my heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever."

The GMan

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011

 

In Bob's defense I can tell you that his actions are simply par for the course for marathon tournaments of the type he described.

You aren't playing against the casino, you are in direct competition with the other players, and it's basically "all's fair in love and VP tournaments".

We used to use every strong arm tactic in the book and a few that aren't, to win those things. And if you don't do it to the competition, the competition does it to you.

The difference between using the types of tactics Bob used and not, is the difference between winning and losing. Considering $50,000 was on the line, I believe he may have under-reacted.

Try to put yourself in his shoes, with what most people make in a year on the line, and tell me honestly you wouldn't have done the same or worse.

~FK

P.S. For the record I'm not defending Bob specifically, because he's now my radio show co-host. I'm defending marathon tournament players in general, because I happen to be one with 17 first places and 1 second place (when I slow-played so my partner could take first) to my credit. In fact, I have never entered a tournament of this type, if I wasn't 100% sure I or my partner would take first.

Nice guys don't always end up last in life, but they do in VP tournaments.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Marticello" <martret@...> wrote:
>
> I don't believe that Bob should have tormented Joyce the way he did. In my opinion it was in very bad form.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mikeymic
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:02 AM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nemartin2002@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011
> > >
> > > "Whom Do You Trust?"
> > >
> > >
> > Very interesting, from the standpoint of "heady" $$ amounts and "long-term" perspective of a competitive event. But a particular comment in the article got me wondering: "The promotion ended on Wednesday, December 29, at midnight. On Tuesday afternoon I got a phone call from somebody saying that Joyce was playing again."
> >
> > Did the "heads-up" call come fron anyone affiliated with the casino/resort? And if so - would that have any bearing on the final standing?
> >
> > Neil M.
>
> The notion of a casino employee contacting Mr. Dancer is certainly a possibility. But it honestly didn't occur to me.
>
> Instead, I would assume Bob had a few friends around town keep an "eye on things" much the same way you or I would network in watching a specific progressive. It was a precaution since he knew his investment would be significant. Simple as that.
>
> I don't always agree with him. But I do want to commend Mr. Dancer in his article for the honesty in reporting his losses during the event. Most of you understand the math and volatility of video poker. Yet others find a full-pay machine and still incorrectly fantasize that their loss size will somehow mirror that tiny percentage under 100% that the game takes from you long-term.
>
> And then you learn the cold, hard truth that in the short run it just doesn't work that way.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[vpFREE] Re: The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives

 

Sigma Games. I sent them a Christmas Card to thank them. I also employed one of their test players that they used to determine game return.

That's how it was done in the old days...create a new game, then sit down some of your employees to play them for a few weeks and record the results. It was the bear skins and stone knives way of doing things but it was all they had at the time.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> >
> > 678 JKR was the 102% return verity of 2-pair of better Joker that had less fluctuation than almost any other game I've ever played. They had dollars in Laughlin and it was easy money.
> >
>
>
> Frank, who made it?
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011

 

I don't believe that Bob should have tormented Joyce the way he did. In my opinion it was in very bad form.
----- Original Message -----
From: mikeymic
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:02 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nemartin2002@...> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@> wrote:
> >
> > Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011
> >
> > "Whom Do You Trust?"
> >
> >
> Very interesting, from the standpoint of "heady" $$ amounts and "long-term" perspective of a competitive event. But a particular comment in the article got me wondering: "The promotion ended on Wednesday, December 29, at midnight. On Tuesday afternoon I got a phone call from somebody saying that Joyce was playing again."
>
> Did the "heads-up" call come fron anyone affiliated with the casino/resort? And if so - would that have any bearing on the final standing?
>
> Neil M.

The notion of a casino employee contacting Mr. Dancer is certainly a possibility. But it honestly didn't occur to me.

Instead, I would assume Bob had a few friends around town keep an "eye on things" much the same way you or I would network in watching a specific progressive. It was a precaution since he knew his investment would be significant. Simple as that.

I don't always agree with him. But I do want to commend Mr. Dancer in his article for the honesty in reporting his losses during the event. Most of you understand the math and volatility of video poker. Yet others find a full-pay machine and still incorrectly fantasize that their loss size will somehow mirror that tiny percentage under 100% that the game takes from you long-term.

And then you learn the cold, hard truth that in the short run it just doesn't work that way.

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[vpFREE] Re: "Jake's Jacks", "Jack's Jacks" or Aces and faces

 

My bad, these threads get so long you lose track of the current topic.

As far as I know the ones I was referring to were only ever in one casino...and not for long.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:
>
> From: Frank <frank@...>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: "Jake's Jacks" or Aces and faces
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 1:47 PM
>
>
> No I'm sorry, you're close though. Jake's Jacks paid 400 on 4 Jacks. It was not exactly the same as Aces Faces and was unique to the Gold River in Laughlin. It also came in 3 coin verity.
>
> ~FK
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Frank,
>  
> I'm sure that you're correct and I defer to your superior knowledge of the game called "Jake's Jacks" or "Jack's Jacks".  However, I was responding to gambOOler's post below, not the original post.
>  
> ~Babe~
>  
> GambOOler wrote: " It was Bonus Poker with 200 coins for quad K's,Q's and J's  instead of 2's, 3's and 4's.  As in Bonus Poker it was 400 for quad A's."
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@ wrote:
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> This game is otherwise known  as Aces & Faces.   The full pay version is 8/5 BP with the bonus quads being the paint cards plus aces instead of 2,3,4's.........
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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nemartin2002@...> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@> wrote:
> >
> > Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011
> >
> > "Whom Do You Trust?"
> >
> >
> Very interesting, from the standpoint of "heady" $$ amounts and "long-term" perspective of a competitive event. But a particular comment in the article got me wondering: "The promotion ended on Wednesday, December 29, at midnight. On Tuesday afternoon I got a phone call from somebody saying that Joyce was playing again."
>
> Did the "heads-up" call come fron anyone affiliated with the casino/resort? And if so - would that have any bearing on the final standing?
>
> Neil M.

The notion of a casino employee contacting Mr. Dancer is certainly a possibility. But it honestly didn't occur to me.

Instead, I would assume Bob had a few friends around town keep an "eye on things" much the same way you or I would network in watching a specific progressive. It was a precaution since he knew his investment would be significant. Simple as that.

I don't always agree with him. But I do want to commend Mr. Dancer in his article for the honesty in reporting his losses during the event. Most of you understand the math and volatility of video poker. Yet others find a full-pay machine and still incorrectly fantasize that their loss size will somehow mirror that tiny percentage under 100% that the game takes from you long-term.

And then you learn the cold, hard truth that in the short run it just doesn't work that way.

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[vpFREE] Hail Caesars--2010 W/L Statements are up

 

at least mine was...a few days earlier than Feb. 1st that they promised, but still almost a month behind Stations and Boyd...ah well no hurry to file a tax return...all red ink last year...

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[vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 28 JAN 2011

 

LVA Question of the Day - 28 JAN 2011

Q: What´s the bottom line on the "special" Super Bowl parlay
cards that will be everywhere by this weekend? Avoid? Play?
Depends?

Read the answer here:

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