RE: [vpFREE] Re Bob Dancer's comments on spa confusion in AC

 


Misscraps wrote: I don't appreciate's Bob's insinuation, or implication, if u read between the lines of his posts that I wasn't polite to Harrahs personnel at all times; he tried to say that if u ask for things with sugar u are more likely to get them than if u ask with complaints...good advice...but the implication was that I personally hadn't gotten the spa benefit because I'd been impolite. All totally untrue. And Bob's post defintely seemed a pointed barb at me which I do not appreciate.

Perhaps I got carried away with my post. I tried to use the specific incident you were in to make a broader point. I see I offended you. I apologize. Bob

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[vpFREE] Re: Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

 

I'll ad my two cents to the tale of an AT hold...
I was playing a nickle triple play STP, and I actually WANTED to hold the AT, and for some reason the 10 didn't "stick", hit draw and up popped KQJ...i immediately called a slot tech, and had them run the hand back and sure enough the button was kinda "iffy" (when you play fast, you have a very light keystroke), my luck it was a 3x multiplier (STP remember)...my host also came over to confirm the $600 payout...
Pretty pointless royal...as I stepped it up to 25c, and managed to quickly lose $400 of it back...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, J B <bigdawg09@...> wrote:
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> I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10. What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the same suit?
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

 

Thanks everyone for the comments and advice. I used to always hold AT
suited and I have hit a couple royals but after playing so much of the VPD
simulators I thought the smart money said throw away thw ten. Never again!

Thanks again.

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

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From: futrend <futrend@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 19:06:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

Harry,

Of course you know this. However, maybe it would have been
more clear to have used a stronger word than probably. I have
seen RGN estimates of 100,000 or more outcomes in just one
second. Obviously just a blink means many different outcomes,
much less the time it takes to make a different hold. Just
a hard concept to handle for some of us when seeing certain
final results!

The other answers are also good and to the point for specific
strategy changes that might have pertained to this specific
situation.

Obviously throwing away a ten eliminated any possibility of
royal on that hand. It is just hard to keep in things in
perspective when looking backwards. Also, some people just
do not want to throw away the ten even if it means losing
less in the long run.

I am not adding anything new here unless it is directed to
those of us how have a hard time believing how little control
we have over final results.

Bob

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, J B <bigdawg09@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me
tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past
few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my
chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt
an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10.
What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a
Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the
same suit?
> > >
> >
> >
> > It's been over a year since I was in the Riviera. I vaguely remember
some 8-5 JoB progressive and some banks of 9-5 Double Double Progressive.
If it was the first one you'd hold AT-suited. If it was the other, you
wouldn't. What game were you playing?
> >
>
>
>
> When playing on a loss refund promo (which "JB" later writes he was
playing), it makes sense to play harder for a "bankable" hit. So, in this
case, suited AT was likely a viable hold.
>
> Don't feel too bad. Assuming the RNG constantly cycles, the draw cards
would be determined at the time of pressing the DRAW button and a different
hold would likely result in a different draw result.
>
> btw -- wife and I had decent luck with this Riviera promo 2 weeks ago. We
opted for $1 BPD and both cashed out at our predetermined win threshold of
$600 each.
>
> - H.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Re Bob Dancer's comments on spa confusion in AC

 



:Anytime if there is a possiblity of a charge to your Reward Credits you should always inquire with your host and verify. Assuming you will receive a comp from an employee at the spa or even a 7* star memo is never a guarantee. Some things slip through the crack and are just missed and a pain to get the credits back at times. But I would have believed at 7* level a spa would have been comped witout issue. Then again you verify and hopefully no issues.

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> I and some other 7* members heard about this at the last minute. My host was unavailable. I went to the spa itself and POLITELY asked them. They seemed to think it was a 7* benefit for all, as I did, and I didn't realize one needed to get a comp in advance. In Biloxi u go directly to the spa, and u don't need an advance comp, so that is what I thought it was. The spa called somewhere and APPROVED the comp and we got product...no time for a treatment. At the time it seemed the spa was getting approval for a 7* quarterly benefit, but in hindsight I don't know that's what they did, they may have just taken points from my account.
>
> I was upset however that hosts had never mentioned this in advance, because I'd paid for a treatment with my comps the previous day, and other 7* people were also upset when they learned of this at the last minute, some able to call a host, some not. By the way domestic hosts seem to be unavailable after 9 pm at Caesars.
>
> After returning home I found out there was even more confusion about this benefit.
>
> Now after correspondence with a VP and my host, I find that some 7* do get the quarterly benefit and some don't. The hosts in AC call it a 7* benefit, but it isn't really . Some 7* who have AC as primary place don't get it, most do, and apparently some who don't have AC as primary property also get it.
>
> All extremely confusing. I have now been told I did qualify for it. If so, I still don't know why I was never told of it by AC hosts. I only heard of it by word of mouth.
>
> As for complaining about stuff on VPFree.... Yes, isn't that what this forum is for? To complain about the bad and to say good things about the good? I've done both.
>
> I don't appreciate's Bob's insinuation, or implication, if u read between the lines of his posts that I wasn't polite to Harrahs personnel at all times; he tried to say that if u ask for things with sugar u are more likely to get them than if u ask with complaints...good advice...but the implication was that I personally hadn't gotten the spa benefit because I'd been impolite. All totally untrue. And Bob's post defintely seemed a pointed barb at me which I do not appreciate.
>
> My initial point re the spa benefit, which Bob and others missed, and maybe I didn't communicate it well, is, if some people qualify for a benefit but no one ever tells u about it, then u don't even know to ask for it, so you can never politely (or impolitely) ask a host for it! So no matter how polite u are, u can't ask anyone for the benefit, and u are never going to get it, because u don't know it exists in the first place!
>

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[vpFREE] Re Bob Dancer's comments on spa confusion in AC

 


I and some other 7* members heard about this at the last minute. My host was unavailable. I went to the spa itself and POLITELY asked them. They seemed to think it was a 7* benefit for all, as I did, and I didn't realize one needed to get a comp in advance. In Biloxi u go directly to the spa, and u don't need an advance comp, so that is what I thought it was. The spa called somewhere and APPROVED the comp and we got product...no time for a treatment. At the time it seemed the spa was getting approval for a 7* quarterly benefit, but in hindsight I don't know that's what they did, they may have just taken points from my account.

I was upset however that hosts had never mentioned this in advance, because I'd paid for a treatment with my comps the previous day, and other 7* people were also upset when they learned of this at the last minute, some able to call a host, some not. By the way domestic hosts seem to be unavailable after 9 pm at Caesars.

After returning home I found out there was even more confusion about this benefit.

Now after correspondence with a VP and my host, I find that some 7* do get the quarterly benefit and some don't. The hosts in AC call it a 7* benefit, but it isn't really . Some 7* who have AC as primary place don't get it, most do, and apparently some who don't have AC as primary property also get it.

All extremely confusing. I have now been told I did qualify for it. If so, I still don't know why I was never told of it by AC hosts. I only heard of it by word of mouth.

As for complaining about stuff on VPFree.... Yes, isn't that what this forum is for? To complain about the bad and to say good things about the good? I've done both.

I don't appreciate's Bob's insinuation, or implication, if u read between the lines of his posts that I wasn't polite to Harrahs personnel at all times; he tried to say that if u ask for things with sugar u are more likely to get them than if u ask with complaints...good advice...but the implication was that I personally hadn't gotten the spa benefit because I'd been impolite. All totally untrue. And Bob's post defintely seemed a pointed barb at me which I do not appreciate.

My initial point re the spa benefit, which Bob and others missed, and maybe I didn't communicate it well, is, if some people qualify for a benefit but no one ever tells u about it, then u don't even know to ask for it, so you can never politely (or impolitely) ask a host for it! So no matter how polite u are, u can't ask anyone for the benefit, and u are never going to get it, because u don't know it exists in the first place!

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[vpFREE] Re: Wi-Fi Downtown

 

When I stayed at the Four Queens, usually three days at a time, I would buy the wi-fi for one 24 hour period, usually on the second day. For ten bucks I didn't have to lug the laptop around downtown.

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[vpFREE] Re: Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

 

Somewhere in the back of my mind I remember a Bob Dancer article about him incorrectly holding an Ace-Ten and coming up with a royal. I think the theme of the article was about always fully reading the rules of a promotion. He was thinking he was gonna get double-paid for the royal, something like that. But it turned out that only a certain suit got double paid-and Bob's royal wasn't in that suit. I don't know that I have the facts exactly right here, but what was funny was while he was waiting on the hand pay some other pros came along and Bob had to suffer through them having some fun at his expense. Something about Bob Dancer, video poker writer/theorist, making a wrong hold.

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Re: [vpFREE] Fwd: Re quarterly spa offers in AC

 

Possibly the most useful article you've ever published.

TC

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2012, at 10:06 PM, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Misscraps wrote: By the way, Bob, my behavior had
> absolutely nothing to do with the confusion over the spa benefits. I learned
> about the quarterly benefit by talking to other 7* members, and confusion
> ensued because some people got it and some didn't and it was thought to be a 7*
> benefit for all. Part of confusion is that AC hosts and personnel themselves
> referred to it as a "7 star quarterly spa benefit"., when actually it
> should have been called a quarterly spa benefit for certain 7* members who met
> certain criteria.....
>
>
>
> I believe you.
>
> Still, I believe you clearly dropped the ball. Had this
> happened to me, I would have contacted the host and tried to start the
> conversation with empathy --- something like, "I understand there are 2,000
> Seven Stars players here this weekend. You hosts must be slammed. It must be close to
> impossible to keep everything straight." After we talk a bit about how
> tough their job is, then I say, "Is there a spa benefit I'm eligible for?
> I heard through the grapevine that there might be. My qualifications are
> xxxxxxx."
>
> At this point, probably one of three things would
> happen. The host would explain to me why I wasn't eligible. Or they would
> reverse the charges on the service I paid for. Or they would tell me that they
> could not do that but they could comp a meal at Nero's for Shirley and me off
> the books. Since I was understanding of their problems and speaking calmly,
> they would likely have given me something. There's no guarantee. This is not a
> "secret trick" that always works. But it works enough of the time
> that it makes a real difference in the bottom line.
>
> I definitely would NOT go posting on the Internet that
> "Bad hosts in AC do it again�" Harrah's people were trying very hard
> to throw a really nice party. Yes some things went awry. They always do. Every time. In every organization. But a
> lot of good people were trying their best to make it work. You know from
> personal experience, Misscraps, that Harrah's executives know your Internet pseudonym
> and have warned you before about excessive complaining. I would have thought a
> word to the wise . . .
>
> I recommend a book by Stuart Diamond called
> "Getting More." It made a difference in my life. I wrote about it
> more than a year ago at http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2011/0308.cfm
>
>
> I'm not trying to beat you up or embarrass you, Misscraps.
> This is a common enough situation and all of us can learn from it.
>
> Bob__
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[vpFREE] Re: Wi-Fi Downtown

 

That's it exactly--I don't use it except when I'm in Vegas, so I had to check--would probably download the database from home, because I think it is quite large, and my device doesn't allow cellular roaming. As the Queen of Comps might say

"free is good"

Good luck!!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, K/J Haka <kjhaka@...> wrote:
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> Is it called something like--jiwire?  I like this version because you
> can download (and store in your computer/device) all the locations
> of free wi-fi--in case you're not near a hot-spot location. . . . . I try to
> up-date it whenever I leave for a location that I'm not as familiar with
> the hot-spots.  Also, this app was free. . . . .
>
> Jean H--
> The random number generator does not respond
> to violence. -Melissa Fine, Strictly Slots
>  
> Life is ten percent what you make it
> and ninety percent how you take it!
>  
> “I believe in luck: how else can you explain
> the success of those you dislike?” â€"Jean Cocteau
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: thevegaspilgrim <lasvegaspilgrim@...>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:42 AM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Wi-Fi Downtown
>
>
>  
> Veering slightly off topic, there is a free app in the apple store (free wifi finder), which will find all free (and paid, if desired) wifi sites near you. It is very slick, and works around the world, even in Las Vegas.
>
> Also I brought my ipad last year, and would not pay for extra for wifi, but I found it perfectly acceptable to drive (had a car, of course) to the nearest McDonald's, buy a coffee, and plop myself down and surf to my heart's content (even though it was 60 degrees there, I loved the fact that I was 80 degrees warm than home at the time).
> And of course, I got to see free entertainment (unhappy McDonald's customers throwing their food, starting fights...good fun). Needless to say, the ipad never left my sight!!
>
> --- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, dougalou@ wrote:
> >
> > Krispy Kreme is gone for the Fitz. The D, (the new name of the Fitz) has
> > removed it to make room for an outside exculator.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/19/2012 7:36:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > neilgrund@ writes:
> >
> > Krispy Kreme
> >
> > and take a look here
> >
> >
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[vpFREE] LV Free shows for Harrah's 7 Stars and Diamonds

 

http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=2109

Read this blog entry AND the comments and you will get up-to-date info on this subject.

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Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

Do Diamonds get free shows anymore? Thot they re-instated it just for 7 Stars. . . .
Does anyone know?

Jean H--
The random number generator does not respond
to violence. -Melissa Fine, Strictly Slots

Life is ten percent what you make it
and ninety percent how you take it!

"I believe in luck: how else can you explain
the success of those you dislike?" —Jean Cocteau

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From: casino_travel <mailto:casinotravel%40markanduss.com>
To: mailto:harrahscasinos%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:08 AM
Subject: [harrahscasinos] LV Free shows

Does anyone have a current list for the free/discounted shows for Diamond and Seven Stars in Las Vegas?

Thanks,
Mark

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[vpFREE] Re: Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

 

Harry,

Of course you know this. However, maybe it would have been
more clear to have used a stronger word than probably. I have
seen RGN estimates of 100,000 or more outcomes in just one
second. Obviously just a blink means many different outcomes,
much less the time it takes to make a different hold. Just
a hard concept to handle for some of us when seeing certain
final results!

The other answers are also good and to the point for specific
strategy changes that might have pertained to this specific
situation.

Obviously throwing away a ten eliminated any possibility of
royal on that hand. It is just hard to keep in things in
perspective when looking backwards. Also, some people just
do not want to throw away the ten even if it means losing
less in the long run.

I am not adding anything new here unless it is directed to
those of us how have a hard time believing how little control
we have over final results.

Bob

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, J B <bigdawg09@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10. What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the same suit?
> > >
> >
> >
> > It's been over a year since I was in the Riviera. I vaguely remember some 8-5 JoB progressive and some banks of 9-5 Double Double Progressive. If it was the first one you'd hold AT-suited. If it was the other, you wouldn't. What game were you playing?
> >
>
>
>
> When playing on a loss refund promo (which "JB" later writes he was playing), it makes sense to play harder for a "bankable" hit. So, in this case, suited AT was likely a viable hold.
>
> Don't feel too bad. Assuming the RNG constantly cycles, the draw cards would be determined at the time of pressing the DRAW button and a different hold would likely result in a different draw result.
>
> btw -- wife and I had decent luck with this Riviera promo 2 weeks ago. We opted for $1 BPD and both cashed out at our predetermined win threshold of $600 each.
>
> - H.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: [harrahscasinos] LV Free shows

 

Do Diamonds get free shows anymore?  Thot they re-instated it just for 7 Stars. . . .
Does anyone know?

Jean H--
The random number generator does not respond
to violence. -Melissa Fine, Strictly Slots
 
Life is ten percent what you make it
and ninety percent how you take it!
 
"I believe in luck: how else can you explain
the success of those you dislike?" —Jean Cocteau

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From: casino_travel <casinotravel@markanduss.com>
To: harrahscasinos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:08 AM
Subject: [harrahscasinos] LV Free shows

 
Does anyone have a current list for the free/discounted shows for Diamond and Seven Stars in Las Vegas?

Thanks,
Mark

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Wi-Fi Downtown

 

Is it called something like--jiwire?  I like this version because you
can download (and store in your computer/device) all the locations
of free wi-fi--in case you're not near a hot-spot location. . . . . I try to
up-date it whenever I leave for a location that I'm not as familiar with
the hot-spots.  Also, this app was free. . . . .

Jean H--
The random number generator does not respond
to violence. -Melissa Fine, Strictly Slots
 
Life is ten percent what you make it
and ninety percent how you take it!
 
"I believe in luck: how else can you explain
the success of those you dislike?" —Jean Cocteau

________________________________
From: thevegaspilgrim <lasvegaspilgrim@gmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Wi-Fi Downtown

 
Veering slightly off topic, there is a free app in the apple store (free wifi finder), which will find all free (and paid, if desired) wifi sites near you. It is very slick, and works around the world, even in Las Vegas.

Also I brought my ipad last year, and would not pay for extra for wifi, but I found it perfectly acceptable to drive (had a car, of course) to the nearest McDonald's, buy a coffee, and plop myself down and surf to my heart's content (even though it was 60 degrees there, I loved the fact that I was 80 degrees warm than home at the time).
And of course, I got to see free entertainment (unhappy McDonald's customers throwing their food, starting fights...good fun). Needless to say, the ipad never left my sight!!

--- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, dougalou@... wrote:
>
> Krispy Kreme is gone for the Fitz. The D, (the new name of the Fitz) has
> removed it to make room for an outside exculator.
>
>
> In a message dated 6/19/2012 7:36:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> neilgrund@... writes:
>
> Krispy Kreme
>
> and take a look here
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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