[vpFREE] Re: What Would It Take???

 

Frank wrote:
... One of my major concerns for this utility is that it be strategy independent. If one were to track made paying hands, strategy would influence the frequencies and bias the results...
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I think that a study like this (involving results) is the best:
http://wizardofodds.com/online-gambling/blr/

Keeping track of things like completing full houses from dealt two pairs, completing quads from dealt trips, and completing royals from dealt four to a royal can help us decide whether machines are random or not (these are the things that lead us to believe they aren't).
Just keeping track of how many times a card appears over so many cycles seems like a fairly easy programming way to gaffe a machine. For example, if I need 7c to complete a quad and don't get it, but it pops up in the next hand, and this happens 150 times in a row...I'm suspicious about the randomness, but the card has appeared right on schedule. The Wizard did a test like this on the 5Dimes website a few years ago, but I can't find it now.

Speaking of making a royal from dealt 4RF, does anyone have info on the Western Wisconsin casino (about 20 years ago) that got caught changing chips? The programming was done so that if you actually were going to complete the royal, another card would be drawn, so that the probability of completing the a royal was 1/47^2.

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[vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...

 

well, I hope for the people who bite you are correct. But the fact there is no info online about the "Exotic Escapes Resort" company online other than a bare bones facebook page should be a cause for concern. Plus the fact they are in located in Florida screams timeshare.

I would still bet a pound to a pinch of shit as they say in England that you will check in and ask for your "advantage play" and be told to go to another location at such and such a time and see the Resort people. Hey it might still be a good deal if you are cool with sitting through those 2-3 hr presentations. as for me, no thanks.

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[vpFREE] Palms Now a Shadow of its Old Self for VP Players

 

I live on the East Coast but have been a Hall of Fame player at the Palms since they created the tier. Am also a 7 Stars player since that program began. But I have disliked Harrahs/Caesars and the way they run their business and treat VP players for several years, but at the same time loved almost everything about the Palms except my extreme lack of success historically there. Sad to say but this weekend confirmed to me that those days appear over. The Palms seems headed the way of CZR.

I visit LV about 9-10 times a year and over the past year all of those visits went to non-Palms properties. The caliber of Palms offers had dropped tremendously from getting $600-$1400 in free play per visit to $50-$100 and no first tier-type events like before. No doubt a good deal of that marketing drop-off is related to my own significant drop in average daily coin-in at the Palms - but not to that degree.

Besides Sam's Town and occasionally at the Gold Coast, I don't play at most of the Locals casinos in town. But the caliber of stuff you can "earn" in the monthly Palms "giveaways" is so pathetically cheap I rarely bother even redeeming for it. I don't want to have to create space or add weight to my luggage to carry back the kind of garbage they give away. I think if you added up the real cost to the Palms of the merchandise they are giving away in their current $170,000+ giveway it might top $170 but not by much.

Even though I haven't been staying there recently until this past weekend, I always play there - because I like the ambience, the familiarity of the place, the restaurants, theater, and the fact that I still have several thousand dollars of comps in their Original Points system that I want to keep alive. But the VP offerings just keep getting less compelling. As mentioned in other posts, NSUD appears to be MIA at least in the hi-limit area, they've moved most single-play VP in that area to multi-play, gotten rid of most of the $25 level (with $100 being gone for at least a year. BP is what I'll still play in that room.

The 100%+ games in the rest of the casino are all gone (or seem to be - correct me if I'm wrong) Specialty VP like Multistrike have lousy paytables - even AC has better ones. They've even changed the kiosks where locals can redeem promo offers and anyone can access their "Original Points" which the old screens prominently promised "would never expire."

The new kiosk system was working very slowly this weekend. Granted the old system had a whopper of a bug for a long time - you could swipe your card and/or plug in a random PIN and up would pop the account of some random player. But I much preferred its speed of access. Maybe the new system represents a fix for that security problem.

As for the rooms, I noticed a downgrade in the toiletries which is something the Palms used to be great with. Real cheap stuff now. Also, beginning at 6am I was only in my hotel room w/ the Do Not Disturb sign on in the Fantasy Tower for about 45 minutes between noon and 2pm Saturday. Yet when I returned at 7pm my room had been cleaned and the "Please clean" sign had been on all the rest of that time. Makes me wonder about the housekeeping staffing.

Even reading the details of the promotion I was there on (Blackjack tournament) discouraged me from actually participating when I had juicy live poker tournaments I could participate in elsewhere. They only paid 4 places and it looked like you'd have to survive something like 6-7 consecutive matches on Saturday and Sunday to get into the money. Not worth it I decided.

I really am sad to see the Palms in such decline (at least for VP players). My favorite LV casino for a long time. If they get rid of or downgrade that 6 machine block of quarter 9/6 JOB Ten Play machines that's been sitting near Security and the Pearl for such a long time, I probably will give up playing there for good.


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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...

 

If you go to the Plaza website it makes more sense.
 
It looks like they are selling rooms there for $29.00 weekdays.
From what I understand the food and massage are both for
their in house services.
 
The slot play, well, if they get an average 10% hold and
people run it through a few times.
 
It's the empty airline seat, unsold concert ticket thing.
 
Freshly remodeled still pretty slow, and not everyone is
like us who will run that $300 through the highest Ev
VP machine we can find and then cash out.
 
I say bully for the Plaza for making a crazy offer and
hoping that enough people have fun and give good
reviews they get repeat and referral business.
 
I hope.

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From: Don parks <donparks21@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 6:02 PM

 

I think this is pretty easy to figure out folks. If it looks like a time share, walks like a timeshare..

Wehn I was in LV this weekend I remember a downtown hawker (one of many) "saying something about "do you want $300 freeplay" hmm may be the same company. And no they won't use the words "time share " on the street or online.

There is no free lunch as someone said.

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[vpFREE] Re: What Would It Take???

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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This kind of STUFF is why I will be leaving this group. Seems some people want to always run the show and hog the web space.

This whole subject is drivel and serves little purpose in my opinion!

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[vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...

 

I think this is pretty easy to figure out folks. If it looks like a time share, walks like a timeshare..

Wehn I was in LV this weekend I remember a downtown hawker (one of many) "saying something about "do you want $300 freeplay" hmm may be the same company. And no they won't use the words "time share " on the street or online.

There is no free lunch as someone said.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Palms NSUD - MIA

 

Ok yes it was 15-9 etc,

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:06 PM, "vpdeuces" <vpdeuces@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From 5OAK on down: 16/10/4/4/3/2/1
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...

 

If you do, let me know about how it was. I won't be using mine until late Sept

Pat McCauley

On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:20 PM, "mooseton3" <mooseton3@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...

 



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Well I might be #3. I figure it's a low risk gamble. You get 30 days to completely refund it. Hopefully someone does a quick trip report. I might use it on wed-thurs.

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...

This deal doesn't make any business sense. I would buy with a grain of salt.

james thompson

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: tomflush@nyc.rr.com
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:22:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...






dont forget the deal includes no taxes - that could be a bit...Tom

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To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:52 PM

Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50

food cre...

Not to hijack this thread.

"Wheel of Fortune" deal site had something similar for the Jockey Club. The

liberal amount of free play was for promotional machines at Casino Royale.

I would be very careful and completely research this "deal" before booking

it. I suggest contacting Living Social, than also the "provider" before

spending my money. I'd also probably check with the Plaza.

My concerns would be the "perks". The free play is where? Which specific

shows? Who is the massage provider? Food is where, specifically? And verify

each portion of the deal via telephone and email if possible.

There is no "free lunch".

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...

 

dont forget the deal includes no taxes - that could be a bit...Tom

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To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:52 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50
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Not to hijack this thread.

"Wheel of Fortune" deal site had something similar for the Jockey Club. The
liberal amount of free play was for promotional machines at Casino Royale.

I would be very careful and completely research this "deal" before booking
it. I suggest contacting Living Social, than also the "provider" before
spending my money. I'd also probably check with the Plaza.

My concerns would be the "perks". The free play is where? Which specific
shows? Who is the massage provider? Food is where, specifically? And verify
each portion of the deal via telephone and email if possible.

There is no "free lunch".

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: What Would It Take???

 

Cool plan if 5 cycles is significant.  Appealing to me because my feel is that the NSU games in OK sure seems to throw out a lot of 2 Pair hands.  In Vegas it seems more rare and kind of a good hand when you get it.  In OK the sink the boat.   But that's just my feel.  I'm ready to start taking notes.  But if somebody out there already knows that they games are not random here, they could save me some money by telling me before I start this.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: What Would It Take???


 

Record each type of card for each "play", for example I was dealt AdAc3h4h5h and drew 2hAhAs, that's 8 cards. Record 52 cards and you have a cycle. Record 260 cards and you have 5 cycles, which is statistically significant.

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[vpFREE] Re: Palms NSUD - MIA

 

From 5OAK on down: 16/10/4/4/3/2/1

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[vpFREE] Re: Plaza $149 2 nights w/ $300 slot play, massage, $50 food cre...

 

Not to hijack this thread.

"Wheel of Fortune" deal site had something similar for the Jockey Club. The liberal amount of free play was for promotional machines at Casino Royale.

I would be very careful and completely research this "deal" before booking it. I suggest contacting Living Social, than also the "provider" before spending my money. I'd also probably check with the Plaza.

My concerns would be the "perks". The free play is where? Which specific shows? Who is the massage provider? Food is where, specifically? And verify each portion of the deal via telephone and email if possible.

There is no "free lunch".

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: What Would It Take???

 

I never noticed that before. I would have to think it was my typo
error. Then that means the data is corrupt!

Thanks,
Dennis
vp-connoisseur

nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:

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