It's the quickest way to get rid of those using multiple identifications. Would you prefer they turn the fraudsters over to Metro?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" wrote:
> Wow, that's sounds like a bad move. A stupid move. What are they thinking?
>
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, st.tropez97@... wrote:
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> I looked at enough machines to be confident in saying that Tuscany has probably downgraded all the single-line 8/5 BP to 7/5.
>
Wow, that's sounds like a bad move. A stupid move. What are they thinking?
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Mickey wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ultimately it's not how good or bad the bet is it's whether you win or lose."
>>
>>
>Perhaps there are some people out there that can be convinced of this. Maybe you could contact some casino executives and explain it them....and maybe you could convince them to give up their mathematical advantages. Like blackjack. How about convincing them to pay 4 to 2 on Blackjack. And maybe you could convince them to pay 37 for 1 for rolling boxcars on the craps table. Or paying 39 for 1 on the roulette wheel.
>
>If you can convince even one casino exec to make those changes, I guarantee you they will see a massive spike in business. And I'll be in that thundering herd of gamblers ready to get my butt kicked. Because, like you said, it's not how good or bad the bet is, it's whether you win or lose.
I think this misunderstands the famous saying that Mike just invented.
He's not saying that expected value doesn't matter. As a
"philosophy," I think it's called pragmatism. If there's a point to
it, maybe it's that it replaces "coulda, woulda, shoulda" with "did."
It's irrelevant, not wrong, similar to Yogi-Berra-isms.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" wrote:
> >
> > "Ultimately it's not how good or bad the bet is it's whether you win or lose."
>
>
Perhaps there are some people out there that can be convinced of this. Maybe you could contact some casino executives and explain it them....and maybe you could convince them to give up their mathematical advantages. Like blackjack. How about convincing them to pay 4 to 2 on Blackjack. And maybe you could convince them to pay 37 for 1 for rolling boxcars on the craps table. Or paying 39 for 1 on the roulette wheel.
If you can convince even one casino exec to make those changes, I guarantee you they will see a massive spike in business. And I'll be in that thundering herd of gamblers ready to get my butt kicked. Because, like you said, it's not how good or bad the bet is, it's whether you win or lose.
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Sorry was typing too fast. It's Mondays and Wednesdays this month.
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I looked at enough machines to be confident in saying that Tuscany has probably downgraded all the single-line 8/5 BP to 7/5.
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Harrah's Rincon (an hour from San Diego) has generous multiplier days. They vary each month. During January 2013 it's Tuesdays and Thursdays.
If I remember correctly, 7* gets 9x for table and slots, 5x for video poker. Down to Gold getting 3x table and slots and 2x for video poker. I didn't play much in 2012, so I was at Platinum for my first visit of 2013 (back to Diamond next month).
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I've never seen a CET property have multiple points days. Do any of the Las Vegas properties ever have 3X days? Is there a link to find out about these? I've searched the CET website pretty thoroughly but I've never seen those days advertised.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jesse Custer wrote:
>
> Fwiw, I played 2535 tier credits worth on Wednesday, and my 5000 bonus tier credits are already visible on my account (lunchtime Friday). I checked my card at 7:55am on Thursday and they didn't show yet (in fact the 2535 were still listed as "today" even though the slot day ends at 5:59am).
>
> I haven't seen my bonus reward credits yet (it was a 3x day). But the bonus tier credits were updated already. I was originally planning to only play 1000 tier credits, but a dealt triple play Dreamcard royal encouraged me to continue. :)
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" wrote:
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> > OTOH It's better to be lucky than smart.
Forgive me (and no disrespect truly intended), but screw that ... if I'm going to go with a sentiment off the hip, it'll be "It's BEST to be lucky AND smart."
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" wrote:
>
> "Ultimately it's not how good or bad the bet is it's whether you win or lose."
Yeah, say you place a bunch of badly chosen bets and luck out on the results ... like that's gonna make you (or anyone else) feel good about your prospects going forward.
In fact, I'll go a step further and suggest that a player who lives or dies by their luck alone isn't going to make it as a successful gambler.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" wrote:
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> OTOH It's better to be lucky than smart.
>
>
Yes, I agree it's better to be lucky THAN smart. But I think that lucky AND smart is the most awesome combination. All this talk about luck reminds me of a quote from one of my all time favorite hustlers.
"Luck is for suckers."
Rudolph Wanderone A.K.A Minnesota Fats
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Fwiw, I played 2535 tier credits worth on Wednesday, and my 5000 bonus tier credits are already visible on my account (lunchtime Friday). I checked my card at 7:55am on Thursday and they didn't show yet (in fact the 2535 were still listed as "today" even though the slot day ends at 5:59am).
I haven't seen my bonus reward credits yet (it was a 3x day). But the bonus tier credits were updated already. I was originally planning to only play 1000 tier credits, but a dealt triple play Dreamcard royal encouraged me to continue. :)
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Rarely? Can you give an example of luck being predictable? I
theoretically agree with the "I'd rather be lucky than good" inanity,
but it's a negative free-roll philosophy. It's either useless or it
implies that luck is relevant, in which case it can give birth to the
"due theory" or its opposite. It's just a matter of wisdom. In life
in general, the wise person cares about doing the right thing, whereas
the short-sighted person cares about getting lucky.
>And RARELY can you decide ahead of an event (which is when we have to make our decisions on most things) whether you will be "lucky" or not, all you can decide ahead of time is whether the odds are in your favor. Those who make good bets will win more often than those who do not, but those making good bets can get unlucky, and those making bad bets can get lucky, and we are best off making good bets and then hopiing that we don't get unlucky, which in the end determines how we did, than we are making bad bets and hoping we get lucky to offset our disadvantage.
>
>--BG
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Theres a post that disagrees with the position below. I agree with it -- the outcome (win or lose) will make our life better or worse (or our bankroll, if it's just a matter of betting), NOT whether we made a good bet...
but the problem is, when you play a game, you can't KNOW whether you'll be lucky or not, but you CAN control whether you are making a good bet and whether you are playing correctly. Likewise, with the airplane example, you can't KNOW if the sober pilot will hit a mountain or if the drunk one will land safely, but you CAN control which is safer to fly with overall -- only after the trip can you know what actually happened, but when you decide who to fly with, you don't have that information.
You have to make decisions in life (including in gambling) based on what you can control and what you know, and THEN you take action accordingly and HOPE that the good decision pans out. In live poker, you can "get your money in good" (make a bet and have it called, or call a bet, with the odds in your favor) but it's unusual that there's not still an element of chance left -- even if there's only one card that can save your opponent, that card is still in the deck and can be dealt - and over time, there will be occasions where it will be dealt. RARELY is your opponent "drawing dead" - NO way that they can get lucky and win.
And RARELY can you decide ahead of an event (which is when we have to make our decisions on most things) whether you will be "lucky" or not, all you can decide ahead of time is whether the odds are in your favor. Those who make good bets will win more often than those who do not, but those making good bets can get unlucky, and those making bad bets can get lucky, and we are best off making good bets and then hopiing that we don't get unlucky, which in the end determines how we did, than we are making bad bets and hoping we get lucky to offset our disadvantage.
--BG
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>
> > as Shack says, "It's not whether you win or lose; it's
> if it was a good bet".
> >
> That quote grates on me also. I'd rather be the lucky
> illiterate who hits Powerball or $10 million on Megabucks
> than drop 2 grand playing perfect dollar FPDW at the
> Frontier as my friend and I once did in 5 or 6 hours.
> I've had some of my most enjoyable wins at idiot slots and
> raffles while building ulcers losing at "advantage" VP and
> single-deck BJ.
> Ultimately it's not how good or bad the bet is it's whether
> you win or lose. Rather be in the plane with the drunk first
> time pilot who lands safely than the sober experienced pilot
> who flies into a mountain!
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