Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

 

Not sure why you think fair players are being refused the rebate. What would Revel possibly gain by doing the opposite of what the rebate promo is all about? I've been told by a player who asked at the casino, that only those caught breaking the rules or identified as cheaters are being denied. The assertions to the contrary are unproven and mostly by anonymous, disgruntled personalities. I expect when this is over, the casino will be found to have done nothing wrong (except HAVE this crazy rebate).

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Scamming casino? You gotta be kidding. Revel has cheated customers who lost playing by their rules by not allowing them the rebate. It's one thing telling them they can't participate any longer, but an entirely different matter cheating the players out of what's rightfully theirs. I hope Revel gets hit with such a large lawsuit they close down. They're miserable scum from my point of view.

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

 

Scamming casino? You gotta be kidding. Revel has cheated customers who lost playing by their rules by not allowing them the rebate. It's one thing telling them they can't participate any longer, but an entirely different matter cheating the players out of what's rightfully theirs. I hope Revel gets hit with such a large lawsuit they close down. They're miserable scum from my point of view.

On Jul 9, 2013, at 8:26 PM, "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" <rob.singer1111@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The advice in this article is sound. The Revel promotion is all about what you lose in July, and the only method they have for determining that is via the slot card. When certain players pull their card in an attempt to overstate actual losses--and therefore knowingly steal more rebate than they are entitled to--it is clearly cheating and quite possibly a criminal attempt at defrauding the casino. And any strong, intelligent gambler would have realized they were not gonna get away with this scam at the start, with so much at stake for the casino. People on WoV can whine all they like, but their real gripe is that they got out-smarter by the casino on this. Kudos to Revel for trying to keep this clean.
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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

 

The advice in this article is sound. The Revel promotion is all about what you lose in July, and the only method they have for determining that is via the slot card. When certain players pull their card in an attempt to overstate actual losses--and therefore knowingly steal more rebate than they are entitled to--it is clearly cheating and quite possibly a criminal attempt at defrauding the casino. And any strong, intelligent gambler would have realized they were not gonna get away with this scam at the start, with so much at stake for the casino. People on WoV can whine all they like, but their real gripe is that they got out-smarter by the casino on this. Kudos to Revel for trying to keep this clean.

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Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

"Card Pulling at the Revel"

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[vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

 

Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

"Card Pulling at the Revel"

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Revel's Loss Rebate

 



Maybe new jersey is different, but if its like Nevada gaming control is like having a public defender.

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On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 4:55 PM CDT vpbp2002 wrote:

>The rules do not say "management reserves all rights" for any reason whatsoever. It reads exactly this: "Management reserves the right to change or cancel this promotion at any time without notice for any reason subject to any applicable regulatory approval." Do you seriously believe that the NJGC would allow Revel to retroactively steal $100K from a player who has earned it by following the rules of the promotion. They may be able to end the promotion at a certain point but players would still be due any accrued rebates they have earned to that point.
>
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jake Radel <jakeradel@...> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Thing is, revel is likely within their rights to deny anyone they choose the promo, even if they play within the rules, the management reserves all rights clause. Silver sevens, formerly terrible's, stiffed me on their 10% table games rebate onlosses over 1k the second time I tried to collect it. They had ample reason for them not to want me to play blackjack there based on skill level whether or not I played within the rules.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 6:30 PM CDT richard d wrote:
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>> >I would think anyone that came forward to publicly complain to a governmental agency and is a big VP player would be nervous about a having a high profile. I don't think this will jump to the mainstream press. I would not consider uspoker.com on the same level as the NYT, WSJ or Washington Post. I doubt this story will make it to the Huffington Post.
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>> >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
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>> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
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>> > > had imagined that Mickey's ego was sufficiently intact that he wouldn't have come forward with a "lookee what I came up with" post)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > I only posted it here after it became public information vis a vis WoV. But I do admit to some vanity here. I haven't been in the types of casinos you guys play for almost 7 years. Everything is totally different here. But I was extremely confident that, with hundreds of different kinds of games available these days, someone would find a way to beat the cardreaders at Revel. And I was right. Whether they get the rebates is another question.
>> >
>> > http://www.uspoker.com/blog/players-accuse-revel-of-not-honoring-100000-loss-rebate-promotion/4647/
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>> > We'll see if the bigger news outlets pick up on the story.
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[vpFREE] Re: Revel's Loss Rebate

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "seedub49" <seedub49@...> wrote:
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>Being that there were already people scamming $100 rebate programs, I doubt anyone was surprised that people would try to scam a $100,000 rebate program.
>
I was surprised that is was Ultimate X. I have no experience with that game as it was not out yet when I left Nevada. I know of at least two other games that will thwart the cardreader in a loss rebate. But I think I have to keep my mouth shut until about Christmas on it. I've always avoided totally underhanded tactics. But I'm not a big moralist about those that do. I don't want to wreck anybody's rebates.

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[vpFREE] MEDIA ALERT: Bally's Las Vegas to Hold Contestant Auditions for "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" on Wednesday, July 10

 

Bally's Las Vegas to Hold Contestant Auditions for

"Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" on Wednesday, July 10

New Season of "Millionaire" Premieres Monday, Sept. 2 with New Host

Cedric "The Entertainer"

Suggested Tweet - Audition to be a Who Wants to Be a Millionaire contestant
this Wed., July 10 at the @BallysVegas Events Center 7 am-10 am and 5 pm-7pm

WHAT: The hit show "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire," will hold Las
Vegas auditions on Wednesday, July 10 at the Events Center located inside
Bally's Las Vegas. Potential contestants will take a timed multiple choice
test and those who pass will continue on to an interview with one of the
show's producers. Two audition sessions will be held. The first will start
at 7 a.m. and the second at 5 p.m. The last session of the day will begin
promptly at 7 p.m. and will test contestants exclusively for "Movie Week," a
specialty series featuring film buffs answering movie-themed trivia.

Audition hopefuls will be seen on a first-come, first-served basis and
producers will audition as many people as they can throughout the day.
Participants must be at least 18 years of age, a U.S. resident and meet all
eligibility requirements, which can be found on "Millionaire's" website at
http://www.millionairetv.com <http://www.millionairetv.com/> .

WHEN: Wednesday, July 10

First session 7 - 10 a.m.

Second session 5 - 7 p.m.

WHERE: Bally's Las Vegas - Events Center

3645 Las Vegas Blvd. South

Las Vegas, NV 89109

ABOUT: Bally's Las Vegas is one of the Strip's most exciting
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[vpFREE] Re: Revel's Loss Rebate

 

The rules do not say "management reserves all rights" for any reason whatsoever. It reads exactly this: "Management reserves the right to change or cancel this promotion at any time without notice for any reason subject to any applicable regulatory approval." Do you seriously believe that the NJGC would allow Revel to retroactively steal $100K from a player who has earned it by following the rules of the promotion. They may be able to end the promotion at a certain point but players would still be due any accrued rebates they have earned to that point.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jake Radel <jakeradel@...> wrote:
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>
>
> Thing is, revel is likely within their rights to deny anyone they choose the promo, even if they play within the rules, the management reserves all rights clause. Silver sevens, formerly terrible's, stiffed me on their 10% table games rebate onlosses over 1k the second time I tried to collect it. They had ample reason for them not to want me to play blackjack there based on skill level whether or not I played within the rules.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 6:30 PM CDT richard d wrote:
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> >I would think anyone that came forward to publicly complain to a governmental agency and is a big VP player would be nervous about a having a high profile. I don't think this will jump to the mainstream press. I would not consider uspoker.com on the same level as the NYT, WSJ or Washington Post. I doubt this story will make it to the Huffington Post.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
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> >>
> >>
> >> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > had imagined that Mickey's ego was sufficiently intact that he wouldn't have come forward with a "lookee what I came up with" post)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> I only posted it here after it became public information vis a vis WoV. But I do admit to some vanity here. I haven't been in the types of casinos you guys play for almost 7 years. Everything is totally different here. But I was extremely confident that, with hundreds of different kinds of games available these days, someone would find a way to beat the cardreaders at Revel. And I was right. Whether they get the rebates is another question.
> >>
> >> http://www.uspoker.com/blog/players-accuse-revel-of-not-honoring-100000-loss-rebate-promotion/4647/
> >>
> >> We'll see if the bigger news outlets pick up on the story.
> >>
> >
> >
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[vpFREE] Xvpfree -- Diamond $100 Celebration Dinner

 

Someone recently was asking for info regarding the
Total Rewards Diamond Annual $100 Celebration Dinner
 
I just recently found a promotional card they gave me
at Harrah's Las Vegas a couple months ago and I hope the copies below are clear enuf to read/help ---SCROLL DOWN--
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for dine-in only; not valid for takeout orders. Dining coupons do not include
gratuity. Participating restaurants are subject to change at any time. This
offer is non-transferable. non-negotiable. subject to availability and must be
redeemed in person. No partial redemption will be given. Alteration, duplication
or unauthorized use voids this offer. Caesars Entertainment is not responsible for
lost or stolen vouchers and reserves the right to change or cancel this program
at any time.
Trademarks used herein are owned by Caesars License Company. LLC and it"
affiliated companies. Must be 21 or older to gamble. Know When To Stop Before You
Start" Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-522-4700. ©2o.13. Caesars License Company. LLC.  
Also--where it lists the properties above -- Caesars, PH, Paris, Flamingo and Rio did not copy. . . . Below is a list
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Bacchanal Buffet
Beijing Noodle NO.9
Cypress Street Marketplace
Empress Court
Gordon Ramsay Pub & Grill
Mesa Grill
Nobu Restaurant and
Lounge
Old Homestead Steakhouse
Payard Patisserie & Bistro
Rao's
Restaurant Guy Savoy
Serendipity 3
Starbucks
Harrahs.
Cafe at Harrah's
Flavors, The Buffet
KGB: Kerry's Gourmet
Burgers
Ming's Table
Oyster Bar at Harrah's
Ruth's Chris Steak House
Starbucks
Toby Keith's
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Gordon Ramsay Steak
JJ's Boulangerie
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Le Burger Brasserie
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Sidewalk Cafe
Sterling Brunch
Tequila Bar& Grill
 Rio
All-American Bar & Grille
Buzios
Martorano's
Carnival World Buffet
Sao Paulo Cafe
Sports Kitchen
Starbucks
Village Seafood Buffet
VooDoo Steak
7~Flamingo
Center Cut Steakhouse
Paradise Garden Buffet
Tropical Breeze Cafe
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Betty's Diner
Emperor's Buffet
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Retirement is like a long vacation in Las Vegas.
The goal is to enjoy it the fullest, but not so fully
that you run out of money. -Jonathan Clements
 
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[vpFREE] Re: Revel's Loss Rebate

 

Exactly, management may "reserve all rights" but in NJ they don't have the right to exclude law abiding citizens of legal age. In NV, for now they do, except in North Las Vegas, but that will likely change at some time in the future. Any business will have a tough time trying to claim in court that they can exclude anyone with no reason at all. That would be just a run around around the civil rights act.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/nlv-court-rules-nv-casino-cant-trespass-advantage-player-948630/

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Bart Jr." <broncosaurus@...> wrote:
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> Since when does "management" have "the right" to abrogate an
> expressly-stated agreement with a customer.
>
> If you place a bet on a blackjack table, the casino management does not
> have "the right" to have the cocktail waitress swipe it off
> the table, quoting it's "right" to do as it pleases.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Jake Radel <jakeradel@...> wrote:
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> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thing is, revel is likely within their rights to deny anyone they choose
> > the promo, even if they play within the rules, the management reserves all
> > rights clause. Silver sevens, formerly terrible's, stiffed me on their 10%
> > table games rebate onlosses over 1k the second time I tried to collect it.
> > They had ample reason for them not to want me to play blackjack there based
> > on skill level whether or not I played within the rules.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 6:30 PM CDT richard d wrote:
> >
> > >I would think anyone that came forward to publicly complain to a
> > governmental agency and is a big VP player would be nervous about a having
> > a high profile. I don't think this will jump to the mainstream press. I
> > would not consider uspoker.com on the same level as the NYT, WSJ or
> > Washington Post. I doubt this story will make it to the Huffington Post.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > had imagined that Mickey's ego was sufficiently intact that he
> > wouldn't have come forward with a "lookee what I came up with" post)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> I only posted it here after it became public information vis a vis WoV.
> > But I do admit to some vanity here. I haven't been in the types of casinos
> > you guys play for almost 7 years. Everything is totally different here. But
> > I was extremely confident that, with hundreds of different kinds of games
> > available these days, someone would find a way to beat the cardreaders at
> > Revel. And I was right. Whether they get the rebates is another question.
> > >>
> > >>
> > http://www.uspoker.com/blog/players-accuse-revel-of-not-honoring-100000-loss-rebate-promotion/4647/
> > >>
> > >> We'll see if the bigger news outlets pick up on the story.
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: safety for women in casinos

 

Lee -

   You were smart to be careful. In Atlantic City, sometime's they follow a winning player into the men's room and jump them in there. I'm a pretty big guy too, but they make me nervous.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 2:08 PM
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Hello Mary-

It's not just women they are after- as mentioned, they could possibly be after the money you have in the machine. On Friday, June 28th- well, I guess on Saturday the 29th about 1:30 am, I was at the Four Queens playing the progressive .25 Double Bonus below Magnolias. Thanks to a nice run of luck (4 Aces twice and then the Royal for $1,060), I had something like $1,340.00 in the machine. While sitting there I heard a noise at my feet and felt something hit my leg. I looked down and saw some change on the floor- maybe a dollar's worth. I immediately looked around and saw a guy walking away in a blue shirt and shorts. Sure enough, that guy walked up a minute or two later and started to play the machine next to me. Almost immediately he asked if that was my change on the floor. I looked him in the eye and told him no, so he knew I had seen his face. He bent over and picked it up, cashed out and left. I wasn't falling for one of the oldest scams in
Vegas. I cashed out shortly after that and went to the security desk and told the guy sitting there what happened. He pretty much did nothing, saying the guy has probably left by now because I had his description. As I tended to agree with him, I went to cash out my nice winning ticket.

I then went over and tried the progressive $1 Double Bonus bank by the lobby and saw the guy again. He circled by me 4 times while I was there that I saw. Since he knew or believed I had over $1,000 on me, I took this episode a little more seriously. I cashed out and went to tell security, but the same guard was walking towards the lobby and I stopped him and told him the guy was still there. Another guard walked up and the first guard got on his radio and broadcast a description of the guy and told the guard that walked up to go look for him.

I'm 6' 3", weigh over 300lbs and I am 50 years old. While I didn't really not feel safe, it did prove to me that some of these guys are just trying to make some easy money and will try their scam on anyone. I agree with the other posters- hit your service button if you want to make him go away and ask them to send security over or yell "Help" or "Security" if you feel unsafe. Have them escort you to your room or to valet or the garage when you are done playing. Security is there first and foremost to protect the hotel/casino assets, but a close second behind is to protect their guests, as who is going to patronize a hotel/casino that they don't feel safe at? It is possible they guy wasn't after money and perhaps had other bad intentions, but either way, utilize security to help with your safety. If they aren't willing to help, post that info here, as I certainly want to know about things like that and won't patronize such a place.

Just my .02- FYI and Thanks, Lee.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mary Malone <caesarmalone@...> wrote:
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> Can anyone tell me if they have had a similar problem? I have had this happen at the Cosmopolitan several times and again the other day at Horseshoe Casino in Cleveland. I am a woman, 70 yrs old, playing slots, usually with other people around me. A young mail will come up behind me, tap my shoulder several times and run off. The one young man kept touching me and telling me that he simply wanted me to enjoy my game while his friends were in hysterics nearby. This has happened to me about 3 times and is more than just a little disconcerting. I hope it never happens again, but if it does, I will report it to security, I do not know what they can do. It is such a strange thing, and they act totally innocent, like they are just being friendly, but being touched by a stranger is not appropriate. I would love to know if this is some sort of a silly "game" and if other women (or men) have had similar incidents.
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