[vpFREE] Re: Hypothetical casino smoking ban (XVP)...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:
> >
> I am very glad that casino poker is nonsmoking, because the smokers
> are such easy targets. You have a perfect read on anyone who does
> the muck-and-dash; if they look and then sit back down, you KNOW
> it's a monster because what other than a monster hand could make
> them sit back down instead of dashing out to enjoy that wonderful
> luscious yummy cigarette--they can almost TASTE it---ummmmmmmm---
>
> I folded pocket KK once after a muck-and-dasher had sat back down
> and raised the pot; that saved me my entire stack ($140).
>
I absolutely agree that when a person who plays less than five hands
voluntarily per hour enters a pot, you know they have a strong hand.
Whether they are doing the muck-and-dash or sitting at the table, is
irrelevant. All the muck-and-dash does is make it more obvious. So
I suppose if you are not all that observant, you would have no idea
that the guy had been folding darn near every hand unless he wasn't
present at the table anymore. At any rate, the muck-and-dash doesn't
give any more information, it just SHOUTS the information. But of
course making this info more obvious so someone who wouldn't have
realized it otherwise, now picks up on it, is another cost of doing
this.

The only time the muck-and-dash gives MORE info then just muck-and-
sit is if a smoker plays tighter when they have a cigarette burning,
which is just bad poker to let that be a determining factor. I never
did that, but there are people who do. But from what I've seen the
people who play tighter just because they have a cigarette waiting
for them are normally tourists, drunk, or both. In which case their
poker is so bad anyway, the muck-and-dash is one of the smaller holes
in their game.

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[vpFREE] Re: Hypothetical casino smoking ban (XVP)...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:
>
> I refuse to believe that the people (including those on this board)
> who so passionately defend their (nonexistent) "right" to smoke in
> public don't fathom that distinction. You are perfectly within your
> rights to do any bloody thing you want AS LONG AS IT AFFECTS NO ONE
> ELSE---go ahead, kill yourself slowly, knock yourself out! But public
> smoking ADVERSELY AFFECTS OTHERS!!!
>

A distinction that apparently you are missing...If people who don't
want to be around smoke only went to the non-smoking venues, then the
only other people that smokers are affecting are other smokers. Anyone
entering the smoking venue is implicitly giving their consent to be
around smoke.

> DUH!!!!!
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Thanks for the misinformation

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <stmitch@...> wrote:

(whining about misinformation)

In my experience, not only is there tons of misinformation on VPFree,
it swings both ways. The people, for the most part supplying alleged
misinformation are amateurs or wannabes. Most true professionals
probably would never give up any information.

It's not like it's classified Stations offers 10-7, among other 100%+
games. I think a phone call to any slot supervisor would have cleared
up any misunderstanding.

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[vpFREE] Re: Hypothetical casino smoking ban (XVP)...

> I drink wine, lots of it, but I never drink and drive and I
> definitely
> don't pour it down the throats of people who are repulsed by it. My
> drinking it in public does not automatically cause me to do either
of
> these things, while public smoking does cause others to partake
> against
> their will.
>

I refuse to believe that the people (including those on this board)
who so passionately defend their (nonexistent) "right" to smoke in
public don't fathom that distinction. You are perfectly within your
rights to do any bloody thing you want AS LONG AS IT AFFECTS NO ONE
ELSE---go ahead, kill yourself slowly, knock yourself out! But public
smoking ADVERSELY AFFECTS OTHERS!!!

DUH!!!!!

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Poker Jokes, was Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas BLOG - 15 FEB 200...

Good luck krallison....I have trouble reading IN a straight line:)

krallison416@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/17/2008 1:48:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hapycro1929@yahoo.com writes:

VP Pappy is Terry's Drinking Buddy.

Oops.. teach me not to read between the lines :)

Karen
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent. -Eleanor Roosevelt

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[vpFREE] Re: Paris Casino

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, K/J Haka <kjhaka@...> wrote:
>
> I'd also recommend Mon Ami Gabi at Paris. It's a FRENCH
> steakhouse and we eat there most every trip to Vegas. Every
> meal has been delicious from the steaks, to shrimp/seafood/fish
> to pork. They do specialize in steaks tho and could accommodate
> a small group--altho probably NOT on the outside patio. Wines are
> great and service is top-notch.
>
> Jean H--

Try not to browse the VP selection inside Paris before you eat. The row
upon row of 7/5 Jacks that I saw this morning was enough to ruin
anyone's appetite.

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[vpFREE] Re: Check out Casino smoke ruling / Just pass the ban

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pokegimp" <wincerwj@...> wrote:
> Not only is at silly it is ABSURD--which is the point. You have a
> smoking place, and a non-smoking place. You would think that
someone
> who wants to avoid smoke would logically go to the non-smoking
> place. But for some reason they want to go to other smoking place
> and then try to force that place to change to accomodate them,
> thereby imposing their way of life on the people who have already
> been congregating there. Replace the words with religion, and it
> just makes it more apparent how absurd that is.

Sorry, but the analogy is only absurd because it is not anything like
casinos and smoking.

The big thing you are missing here is that places of business DO NOT
have the freedom to whatever they please. There are hordes of
regulations they must adhere to. A smoking regulation is no different
than many of the health regulations businesses must already follow.
They are put in place for the public good.

>
> For any activity you want to do, there are non-smoking venues you
can
> go to. If you choose to go to a place that allows smoke instead,
> then that is the sacrifice you are making. I assure you that if a
> non-smoking casino all of a sudden put in a 10% play on dollars,
> smokers would go there. They would realize that the sacrifice they
> are making to take part in this play is that they can't smoke.
They
> would not try to change the place into a smoking venue, thereby
> eliminating a place for non-smokers to play. Sounds like the "un-
> intelligent, ignorant" group (as some here have suggested about
> smokers) are acting more reasonably then the all those enlightened
> non-smokers trying to impose their way of life on everyone else.
>

Please explain how a smokers health is put a risk for abstaining in a
non-smoking casino. Oh, and be sure to add just how the employees are
put at risk too.

Dick

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[vpFREE] Re: Hypothetical casino smoking ban (XVP)...

S3
Currently living an hour from Atlantic City, and all the good machines
are not in the smoking areas. Now I travel to Las Vegas 3 times a
year to gamble and enjoy myself.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Check out Casino smoke ruling / Just pass the ban



In a message dated 2/17/2008 9:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
deuceswild1000@yahoo.com writes:

Needless to say, not all smokers are like that, and non smokers can
be just as rude, but the impression is lasting.

Yes, I have a vivid memory of asking a man next to me at the Orleans to
point his cigarette away from me. He cursed me and threatened to hit me. That
was as much as I cared to endure and I left.

Karen
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[vpFREE] Re: Check out Casino smoke ruling / Just pass the ban

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pokegimp" <wincerwj@...> wrote:
> I would expect a person to react in exactly the same way as if
> someone walked up to them just to blow smoke in their face. I have
> seen that happen just as often as someone walking up to someone to
> vomit on them...never.

Well, you were not in Biloxi with me about 5 years ago when I asked a
person to please not let his smoke go on me. He proceeded to start a
rant that I must be a loser and that was why I was being such a
******* s^^^ head and that he would show me real smoke. He then
proceded to blow smoke all over me for several seconds.

A couple of ladies playing adjacent to me started chastizing him. He
proceded to call them fat pigs and dirty *****. I started
hollering for security and he decided to leave.

So that is my lasting impression of asking someone to please not let
their smoke go on me.

So:

I had a less violent but similar reaction from a woman in another
casino where she continued to lecture me about asking her to remove
her smoke instead of fanning the air. She stated that she was a
polite person and if she had been asked she would have complied, but
since I chose to fan the air she would smoke all the more. She then
proceded to hold her cigarette so that it went directly on me. I
just got up and left.

Needless to say, not all smokers are like that, and non smokers can
be just as rude, but the impression is lasting.

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[vpFREE] Station Casinos

I'm looking at the Station Casinos website and something has me really
concerned. Has anyone else caught this statement and investigated it?
From the home page I went to "10 top things" (near the bottom of the
page). I'm concerned about item #9. It states, "Once Boarding Pass
Members redeem their points for Free Slot Play, it stays on their
account for 90 days. (That part does not concern me.) Points will
continue to remain on a guest's account for 13 months." Does that
refer to the "free play points", or to all points, even if earned
before the 2/14/08 changes? Does it mean that I'll lose my points if
I don't use them in any way before 13 months? Thanks for your input.
Katy

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[vpFREE] Re: Hypothetical casino smoking ban (XVP)...

correna2 wrote:
My CI in Illinois for 2007 was $1.2 Million; for 2008 it will be zero.
=============================
Many questions come to mind, but I'll just ask 3.
What was your total coin-in (not just Ill.) for 2007?
What do you think your total coin-in will be for 2008?
Was the smoking ban the single reaaon for your non-play in Ill.?

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[vpFREE] Re: Hypothetical casino smoking ban (XVP)...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpbauer1" <dbauer33@...> wrote:
N1. I quit smoking when I was 23 after ten yrs,(Yes, I was 13
> when I started) and have not smoked since. However, the anti-this
or
> anti-that factions in America distress the hell out of me. The
great
> experiment with freedoms that this country started with has taken a
> hard LEFT turn and I'm afraid of where we are headed as a nation.
> Why can't I have a business where I tell you upfront that this
> is a smoking establishment and you can enter or work at your own
risk?
> It is then left to personal choice, which,IMO, is the way it should
> be.
>
I don't care if people want to smoke in their own homes or cars
(except
I get squeamish about both when there are young children there, but
if
people chose to smoke around young children it is their choice and
they
must deal with the consequences), but my feeling is that it shouldn't
be allowed in public buildings. That is the case in my county and I
like it. I am far from left wing, a registered Republican for 40
years.

I drink wine, lots of it, but I never drink and drive and I
definitely
don't pour it down the throats of people who are repulsed by it. My
drinking it in public does not automatically cause me to do either of
these things, while public smoking does cause others to partake
against
their will.

Would I still go to casinos if there were no drinking? Yes, I
would. It would be a trade-off of one vice for another and I would
consider myself to be better off for only partaking in one at a time.

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[vpFREE] Re: Check out Casino smoke ruling / Just pass the ban

pokegimp wrote:
...It simply boils down to...wouldn't it be better if each group had
their own places to go where they can be comfortable?
-------------
Total agreement.
========================================
pokegimp wrote:
Why do non-smoking ban proposers say that instead of having places for
everyone, they should be comfortable EVERYWHERE and to hell with
anyone else?
----------------
Probably because that's their only chance. They can't pick and choose
which places would need to ban smoking, so it's an all or nothing
proposal.
========================================
pokegimp wrote:
I agree there are very few choices right now. I too wish there were
more. And hope a lot more do appear soon. But to ban smoking from
ALL places is giving NO CHOICE AT ALL. It doesn't matter which side a
complete elimination of choice serves, to have one's ability to choose
taken away is just plan wrong. It would be wrong to pass a law to say
that no place is allowed to have a non-smoking policy; it should be
just as wrong to say that no place is allowed to have a smoking policy.
---------------------
But there aren't ANY choices in Las Vegas now. A smoker can go to any
casino and feel right at home. A nonsmoker can't go anywhere. Give
the nonsmokers something, that's all I ask...I'm not in favor of
having every casino be nonsmoking---we'll give you a couple places in
Montana (just kidding).
There was some talk about Silver City...what a joke! We went there in
the 80s and actually thought it would be the place to be for us. They
had absolutely nothing to offer and when we did play a little vp
there, a guy sits down next to us and he's smoking. I reminded him
that this place was nonsmoking, but he said he just has to finish this
one. Nobody representing the casino came to tell him any different,
we cashed out and left.

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