[vpFREE] Re: Gold Coast

 

>>> I had much better luck the last time I got to play the game at Blue Chip in Indiana in Aug 2013, a 10X full house and a 8X straight within minutes of each other.


Long gone, unfortunately...  at least at FP.  It's getting difficult to find full pay STP.

C

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[vpFREE] Re: Gold Coast

 

Used to be they couldn't but now mgmt can with the right hardware, interest and acumen. Which probably means.they don't.

Reminds me of the introduction of OASIS software at the Edgewater end of last Millennium.
About same time when the LVH cut the theo 90% on FPJB  games while no change to the FPNSUD and such.
All MG/MD machines.
These changes actually created some good advantage plays. Very funny.

Garbage in Garbage out

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RE: [vpFREE] Proper hold JOB 3 card royal vs. 4 card flush?????

 

Mike asked about JoB and WinPoker:

Example.......if I put in A clubs, King clubs, 10 clubs, 4 clubs, and 7 hearts......Winpoker shows the 4 card flush to be much higher than the 3 card royal..... with the 4 card flush earning 1.27 coin return to 0.77 coin return for the 3 card royal. It comes up this way with most any different 3 card royal cards....

I know I have to be missing something simple here. Can anyone set me straight????





You are running your analysis with one-coin bet --- giving you 250-for-1 for a royal flush. At that royal payout, 4-card flushes are more valuable than 3-card royals.

If you switch to betting 5 coins, you'll see the 'usual' situation where 3-card royals are superior to 4-card flushes --- except for a few exceptions.

If you follow the exception guide given by AP you'll do WORSE than always holding the 3-card royal over the 4-card flush. Starting with AKT2 suited, holding AKT2 creates a 5.09 cent mistake (for a 5-coin dollar player) 21 times --- i.e. with any 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 not of the same suit as the AKT2.

On the three times the fifth card is another T, AP's rule is correct by 0.46 cents

On the six times the fifth card is an unsuited J or Q, AP's rule is correct by 3.70 cents.

In the 30 possible fifth cards that are considered from that position, AP's play loses 2.78 cents on average every time. He is correct that it is simple to memorize. He is not correct that it is a good idea to memorize it. (If you play 9/6 DDB, for example, AP's rule works perfectly there --- but not for 9/6 JoB)

Bob


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Re: [vpFREE] Proper hold JOB 3 card royal vs. 4 card flush?????

 

>I've been playing full pay JOB for years ever since I learned the intermediate strategy. I was always under the impression that a 3 card royal was higher than a 4 card flush in MOST situations. However.... when I put in a few hands into Winpoker, it always comes out with the 4 card flush being higher than the 3 card royal!!
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>Example.......if I put in A clubs, King clubs, 10 clubs, 4 clubs, and 7 hearts......Winpoker shows the 4 card flush to be much higher than the 3 card royal..... with the 4 card flush earning 1.27 coin return to 0.77 coin return for the 3 card royal. It comes up this way with most any different 3 card royal cards....
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>I know I have to be missing something simple here. Can anyone set me straight????
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>Thanks,
>Mike

I'd double check the payoffs. In 9/6 Jacks or Better, there are a few
times that the 4-flush wins, but it's not nearly by that much.

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[vpFREE] Re: Gold Coast

 

This is such a shame.  I got one last crack on it last Wednesday.  Hopefully the other variants remained, they were all there when I played on Sept. 3rd.  Too bad she quickly slapped me around for a $60 single-line loss in less than an hour.  I had much better luck the last time I got to play the game at Blue Chip in Indiana in Aug 2013, a 10X full house and a 8X straight within minutes of each other.

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Re: [vpFREE] Proper hold JOB 3 card royal vs. 4 card flush?????

 

I forgot to add that the logic behind my hold is that with the ten and the ace the straight is much harder to hit, and matching the ten doesn't give you a paying pair.
 
A.P.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Proper hold JOB 3 card royal vs. 4 card flush?????

 
I've been playing full pay JOB for years ever since I learned the intermediate strategy. I was always under the impression that a 3 card royal was higher than a 4 card flush in MOST situations. However.... when I put in a few hands into Winpoker, it always comes out with the 4 card flush being higher than the 3 card royal!!

Example.......if I put in A clubs, King clubs, 10 clubs, 4 clubs, and 7 hearts......Winpoker shows the 4 card flush to be much higher than the 3 card royal..... with the 4 card flush earning 1.27 coin return to 0.77 coin return for the 3 card royal. It comes up this way with most any different 3 card royal cards....

I know I have to be missing something simple here. Can anyone set me straight????

Thanks,
Mike



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Re: [vpFREE] Proper hold JOB 3 card royal vs. 4 card flush?????

 

The rule I always use is a four card flush is preferred over a 3 card Royal that contains an ace and a ten. It might not be perfect but I find it is close enough, and easy to remember.
 
A.P.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Proper hold JOB 3 card royal vs. 4 card flush?????

 
I've been playing full pay JOB for years ever since I learned the intermediate strategy. I was always under the impression that a 3 card royal was higher than a 4 card flush in MOST situations. However.... when I put in a few hands into Winpoker, it always comes out with the 4 card flush being higher than the 3 card royal!!

Example.......if I put in A clubs, King clubs, 10 clubs, 4 clubs, and 7 hearts......Winpoker shows the 4 card flush to be much higher than the 3 card royal..... with the 4 card flush earning 1.27 coin return to 0.77 coin return for the 3 card royal. It comes up this way with most any different 3 card royal cards....

I know I have to be missing something simple here. Can anyone set me straight????

Thanks,
Mike



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[vpFREE] Junkets Question

 

How does everyone feel about Junket Groups compared to a regular host at Caesars' properties? Seems like the hosts are getting newer and have less authority than in the pass and wonder if there is a better alternative. In particular, any experience with Atlanta group: "Casino Junket Club"? Thanks RW.

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[vpFREE] Proper hold JOB 3 card royal vs. 4 card flush?????

 

I've been playing full pay JOB for years ever since I learned the intermediate strategy. I was always under the impression that a 3 card royal was higher than a 4 card flush in MOST situations. However.... when I put in a few hands into Winpoker, it always comes out with the 4 card flush being higher than the 3 card royal!!

Example.......if I put in A clubs, King clubs, 10 clubs, 4 clubs, and 7 hearts......Winpoker shows the 4 card flush to be much higher than the 3 card royal..... with the 4 card flush earning 1.27 coin return to 0.77 coin return for the 3 card royal. It comes up this way with most any different 3 card royal cards....

I know I have to be missing something simple here. Can anyone set me straight????

Thanks,
Mike


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[vpFREE] Re: Baltimore Host

 

You can check out the Horseshoe Baltimore Web page on www.caesars.com, but there is much more complete information, as well as interior photographs, on my Seven Stars Insider Web site (http://www.sevenstarsinsider.com/horseshoe-baltimore).  I attended the opening two weeks ago, and spent the day there Tuesday, as well as overnighted at the Hyatt Regency.  My first request for a comp room was turned down, but a host called me back an hour later and said it had been approved.  My guess is that, due to the popularity of Baltimore's Inner Harbor and the cost of hotel rooms in the city, for the time being at least, they are going to be a little stingy with comp rooms -- Seven Stars or not.  Remember, since the casino does not have its own hotel, the rules regarding comp rooms for Seven Stars cardholders don't apply.  Perhaps, once winter sets in and the tourist season ends, rooms might become more available.  Right now they have such a huge local customer base that out-of-towners are probably their least concern -- just my opinion.  Also, keep in mind that the casino has been open only two weeks so a lot of policies are still being developed and evaluated.  Give them a little time.

Darryl

 
Darryl D. McEwen, Publisher
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