Misscraps wrote:
>If you have Hilton comps and pay for the buffet with the points on Monday and Wednesday, dinner buffet only costs $5 in comps per person. A very good deal for a very tasty buffet that includes unlimited wine or beer too.
I head straight for the fresh salmon every time I eat there.
If you have Hilton comps and pay for the buffet with the points on Monday and Wednesday, dinner buffet only costs $5 in comps per person. A very good deal for a very tasty buffet that includes unlimited wine or beer too.
Marc wrote:
>I"m not trying to predict anything.I'm trying to jump in on a possible trend.A winning streak must start with a win and a losing streak must start with a loss.So,I wait for the first one and hope it's the start of a good streak.Like they say in the Stock Market,"The trend is your friend".
You're trying to predict how long the streak will last. "Hope" and
expected value have little, if anything, to do with each other. For
all I know, there might be predictable trends in the stock market, but
video poker machines are designed to be completely unpredictable. If
they are predictable, all theoretical payback percentages, including
that 9/6 Jacks or Better has a 99.54% payback, are wrong and would be
trumped by where, in the "streak," one is. What evidence do you have
that such streaks are predictable? Have you ever, for example,
analyzed your results of the next hand after, say, 7 wins in a row?
What would you estimate your advantage to be on the 8th hand? How
would such streaks be programmed into the machine? That sounds much
more complicated than programming them to be random and unpredictable.
Would each result be programmed to increase the probability of the
same result on the next hand?
Mickey,Do you know of any multi-D. machines in AC with descent games?
Marc
-----Original Message-----
From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 7:35 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Always Play 5 coins
I don't really have a problem with some sort of progressive/regressive betting system as long as it's done right. Multi-denom machines fit the bill. An example would be the Wendover Nugget where a lot of their machines had 5 cent, 25 cent, 50 cent, $1, $2, $5 denoms all on the same machine....and the payscales were the same on all denoms. Best game was NSUD.
On some of the single line video pokers at the Wendover Peppermill properties you could bet from 1 to 25 coins. Betting 1 to 4 coins you only got 250 for 1 on the royal....but from 5 coins to 25 coins you got 800 for 1 on the royal. Use any kind of progression/regression you want; bet 5 coins, 6 coins, 7 coins, 13 coins, whatever....all the way to 25 coins....then all the way back down to 5 coins, whatever floats your boat. Best game was NSUD.
This is my idea of the way it should be done.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ms069279" <m_savorelli@...> wrote:
> Gonna be in Vegas mid-November till just before Thanksgiving and
> I was wondering if there are any "juicy" promos going on around
> town during that time and if there are any particular Player's Club
> offering "New Member" promos that anyone recommends joining.
Some new member promotions that are popular:
Tropicana $200 loss rebate
Plaza and Las Vegas Club various levels of free play rewards
Palms various levels of free play rewards
Other popular promos not just for new members:
The Cosmopolitan $100 loss rebate
M Resort buffet deal
Some of the rules for these are complicated so reading the rules is important. Some of them are on the casino websites.
Also lasvegasadvisor.com has a lot of useful information including a list of point multipliers.
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I"m not trying to predict anything.I'm trying to jump in on a possible trend.A winning streak must start with a win and a losing streak must start with a loss.So,I wait for the first one and hope it's the start of a good streak.Like they say in the Stock Market,"The trend is your friend".
-----Original Message-----
From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 5, 2011 10:24 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Always Play 5 Coins
Marc, with all sincerity, I call your tactics (your's is not a strategy but tactics) "voodoo gambling." You're sticking a pin in it. The problem with the hot and cold streaks you see is they are all in the past and have no bearing on the future.
If you had the patience to sit down at the kitchen table with a deck of cards, shuffling and dealing out five cards, then replacing up to five cards, using 9/6 strategy, recording the results, and you do it long enough....you will see the same hot and cold streaks. It's intrinsic to the game. But how could you exploit those streaks to get better results? You can't because the streaks are all in the past and have no bearing on the future. It's the same thing on that "machine" you are playing.
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That's a good idea to drop down in denomination.Do you or anyone know of a multidenomination machine in AC with 9/6 or another playable game.
-----Original Message-----
From: RWHANNU <RWHANNU@aol.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 9:52 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Always Play 5 coins
In a message dated 11/5/2011 7:15:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:
>>Playing 1 coin per hand, at quarters, you lose $0.0041 per hand. Playing
5 coins per hand, you lose $0.0057 per hand. So, playing short coin, you
lose less per hand than 5 coin. Playing 2,3 or 4 coins, you actually lose
more per hand even though you are betting less. <<
Earlier in my video poker playing "career", I use do the bet
rotation...cycling through 2, 3, 4, and 5 coins. (I couldn't stand the thought of a
one-coin Royal.) This also was an effort to save money on all those losing
hands. But, after a few tragic 2 coin Royals, I couldn't stand the disgrace
anymore and went with the logical choice...always bet 5 and if you're
losing too much, drop down in denomination. Multidenomination machines make
this real easy to do, if you can find one where you don't take too bad a hit
on the paytables by stepping down. (Plus all the bet rotation was one heck
of a lot of extra button pushing.)
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Tom,I have stated that my good results could very well be luck.Yes,and when things get really choppy,I don't do as well.I'm looking at EV as being built into whatever VP game I'm playing reguardless of any betting strategy that I use or the results of that strategy.It could very well be that in the long term I'm going to lose slightly less that the person playing 5 coin all time.If that's the way my long term results end up,so be it.I'm still playing at an average EV of over 99% which by AC standards is considered playable.Using the 1-5 shuffle enables me to play longer and limit some of the downside volitility when things are going against me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Always Play 5 Coins
> Using my (arbitrary)definition of Hot and Cold streaks; Let's say I just had 5 wins in a row then I lose 1 and drop to 1 coin.Now let's say the next 10 hands are losers,I'll save 4 coins per hand.If I just slow down my play and play 5 coin,I'll lose 5 coins per hand only more slowly.So I don't see how that's the same thing.
>
> Marc
Your 1 and 5 system probably would do better if there were always long streaks like that, even though you'll always be playing 1 coin on the first hand of a winning streak. But what if the results are less streaky and more choppy? If wins alternate with losses, won't you win when you're playing 1 coin and lose when you're playing 5 coins? You say you believe that such betting patterns don't change your EV, but you're acting as if you believe they do. Have you considered the possibility that your good results so far have been due to good luck rather than your system "working?" When you have a session that is unusually choppy and you do worse than you otherwise would have, even though you'll be tempted to think that your system isn't "working," any more, won't you then realize that when the choppiness / streakiness element is average, so will your results be?
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I don't really have a problem with some sort of progressive/regressive betting system as long as it's done right. Multi-denom machines fit the bill. An example would be the Wendover Nugget where a lot of their machines had 5 cent, 25 cent, 50 cent, $1, $2, $5 denoms all on the same machine....and the payscales were the same on all denoms. Best game was NSUD.
On some of the single line video pokers at the Wendover Peppermill properties you could bet from 1 to 25 coins. Betting 1 to 4 coins you only got 250 for 1 on the royal....but from 5 coins to 25 coins you got 800 for 1 on the royal. Use any kind of progression/regression you want; bet 5 coins, 6 coins, 7 coins, 13 coins, whatever....all the way to 25 coins....then all the way back down to 5 coins, whatever floats your boat. Best game was NSUD.
This is my idea of the way it should be done.
Ha - thanks Nudge.
Fortunately, I am not making the A vs JJ error :)
However, I have been finding some very slight errors that I have been making. Luckily, nothing monumental - but, imperfect is not perfect and perfection is my goal.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out.
Take care,
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ted
> Subject: [vpFREE] Looking for strategy simulator software
>
> > I am looking for software that will do the following:
> > 1) Allow me to provide my VP strategy and game with pay-table.
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> Ted,
> I would think that they recently released Optimum Video Poker v.3. from Dan Paymar would fit the bill. To know for sure, you could download the demo version and give it a test drive from his website here:
> http://www.optimumvideopoker.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> > 1) Identify the hand I was dealt when my strategy did not choose the best play. For example, if I chose to hold a single ace instead of a pair of jacks
> > when dealt A J J 3 K, I'd like this mistake to be identified so I can revisit my strategy and fix the leak.
>
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>
> If the above hand is a typical example of your choices, this is a tad beyond the definition of tweaking. I could see altering a strategy slightly to go for a premium hand like quad bullets, but in your example above, choosing the ace over the pair of hookers is a monumental error. In fact, in your exact hand, holding the lone bullet is the 9th best hold you could choose from the initial deal. If playing the 9-6 DDB for dollars, and you make this hold your cost is $5.0087 if the 3 is not suited to the ace, and $5.0376 if it is. You have now forfeited your entire bet on the hand before you hit the draw button. If you are making these types of tweaks, you might as just mail a check for the session bankroll to the casino and stay home for some must see TV.
> Nudge
>
>
>
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>
From: Ted
Subject: [vpFREE] Looking for strategy simulator software
> I am looking for software that will do the following:
> 1) Allow me to provide my VP strategy and game with pay-table.
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Ted,
I would think that they recently released Optimum Video Poker v.3. from Dan Paymar would fit the bill. To know for sure, you could download the demo version and give it a test drive from his website here:
http://www.optimumvideopoker.com/
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> 1) Identify the hand I was dealt when my strategy did not choose the best play. For example, if I chose to hold a single ace instead of a pair of jacks
> when dealt A J J 3 K, I'd like this mistake to be identified so I can revisit my strategy and fix the leak.
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If the above hand is a typical example of your choices, this is a tad beyond the definition of tweaking. I could see altering a strategy slightly to go for a premium hand like quad bullets, but in your example above, choosing the ace over the pair of hookers is a monumental error. In fact, in your exact hand, holding the lone bullet is the 9th best hold you could choose from the initial deal. If playing the 9-6 DDB for dollars, and you make this hold your cost is $5.0087 if the 3 is not suited to the ace, and $5.0376 if it is. You have now forfeited your entire bet on the hand before you hit the draw button. If you are making these types of tweaks, you might as just mail a check for the session bankroll to the casino and stay home for some must see TV.
Nudge
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I am looking for software that will do the following:
1) Allow me to provide my VP strategy and game with pay-table.
For example:
Game: Double Double 9/6
Strategy (somehow identify the order of the hands I play)
a) Royal Flush
b) 4 of a kind
c) 4 to a royal
...
z) discard all
2) Play (run simulator) VP using the strategy I provided.
I am seeking the following information:
1) Identify the hand I was dealt when my strategy did not choose the best play. For example, if I chose to hold a single ace instead of a pair of jacks when dealt A J J 3 K, I'd like this mistake to be identified so I can revisit my strategy and fix the leak.
2) The return my strategy yielded (i.e., I wanna know how much I am costing myself)
I'm mainly interested in identifying the hands in which my strategy did not choose the best play. By practicing online, I have identified a few hands where I had a leak in my strategy. However, this is a manual, time-consuming and incomplete process.
Does anyone know of any software that will help?
Thanks,
