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Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 9 JUN 2013
"GAMBLING TAXES IN OHIO"
http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=2855
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Someone sent me a link to a website that appears to have advance
information on the new players club "Royal Rewards" coming to the Plaza and Las Vegas Club on July 1st. I'm not familiar with this website but the info seems plausible.
The first link is an overview and the second link shows the tier benefits.
http://www.4flush.com/casino-news/plaza-and-las-vegas-club-announce-improved-players-club/14051
http://www.4flush.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/royalrewards.jpg
Here's what I learned from reading these:
1) Players get these royal flushes bonuses based on card level:
10% Jack
25% Queen
50% King
100% Ace
2) The base slot club formula is this:
$3 Coin-In = 1 Point on Video Poker
200 Points = $1 Free Play (0.167%)
3) The top two tiers can also redeem points for cash.
4) The top two tiers get 2x points all the time, so their formula is this:
$3 Coin-In = 2 Points on Video Poker
200 Points = $1 Free Play or Cash (0.33%)
5) I heard from another source that if you are not already a slot club
member there, they will match your card level from any other Las Vegas
casino. Current players will get the card level based on their play
during the most recent twelve months.
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RS wrote:
> The problem with the DIAD program is that it's a bigger casino promotion than regular diamond, and that means advantage: casino.
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> DIAD aside, this is a faulty premise. Most successful VP players thrive on promotions (excluding progressive chasers and 100% game players who are largely not eligible for promotions)
There are good and bad promotions --- large and small. Evaluating them is part of what it takes to be successful.
Some very big promos have been very lucrative. Assuming the contrary causes you to miss out on some profitable opportunities
Bob
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I tried DIAD with $3k once on a $5 9/6 JoB machine. This was the most horrible idea since I didn't hit any quads. Results oriented tho.
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Thanks, Dunbar ...
Relating my "gut estimate" to your stats, it's comforting that I wasn't far off the mark:
I suggested about a 40% likelihood of exceeding a final $2400 loss on $40k (diad) of $5 single line jb.
You indicate a 37% likelihood of exceeding a final $4000 loss on $50k of such play.
I imagine that the original premise risk was more like 30% (I'll consult my purchased copy of DRA when I'll get home :). Great tool!
- H.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dunbar_dra" <h_dunbar@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what the original scenario was, but here is the distribution of outcomes after playing 2000 hands of $5 9/6 JOB when starting with a $10K bankroll:
>
> FINAL BANK % CHANGE PROBABILITY
> 0 lose 100% 4%
> 1 - 1999 lose 80% to 99% 0%
> 2000 - 3999 lose 60% to 80% 1%
> 4000 - 5999 lose 40% to 60% 8%
> 6000 - 7999 lose 20% to 40% 26%
> 8000 - 9999 lose up to 20% 33%
> 10000 - 11999 win up to 20% 19%
> 12000 - 13999 win 20% to 40% 6%
> 14000 - 15999 win 40% to 60% 1%
> 16000 - 17999 win 60% to 80% 0%
> 18000 - 19999 win 80% to 99+% 0%
> 20000 + double or more 5%
>
> Here is what you get if you play 9/6 DDB instead:
>
> FINAL BANK % CHANGE PROBABILITY
> 0 lose 100% 4%
> 1 - 1999 lose 80% to 99% 6%
> 2000 - 3999 lose 60% to 80% 12%
> 4000 - 5999 lose 40% to 60% 15%
> 6000 - 7999 lose 20% to 40% 15%
> 8000 - 9999 lose up to 20% 13%
> 10000 - 11999 win up to 20% 9%
> 12000 - 13999 win 20% to 40% 7%
> 14000 - 15999 win 40% to 60% 5%
> 16000 - 17999 win 60% to 80% 3%
> 18000 - 19999 win 80% to 99+% 2%
> 20000 + double or more 9%
>
> (sorry if the formatting is a mess.)
>
> So, if you start with $10K,
> 40% of the time you will lose more than 20% of your bankroll in 2000 hands of 9/6 JOB.
> 52% of the time you will lose more than 20% of your bankroll in 2000 hands of 9/6 DDB.
>
> --Dunbar
>
> (I used DRA-VP for the calcs)
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
> >
> > Bob B succinctily responds to that claim ;)
> >
> > Your posts reflect a decent measure of common sense and rationality (which is why I bothered to probe your motivations for the $5 foray). But it's clear that thre's much fodder on these groups from which you can benefit.
> >
> > You suggest that most of your short session jb results stay within a 2%-4% loss cap. That would be rather exceptional. My gut reaction (from 15 years of play) would be that a 6% cap would cover 60% of 2000 hand sessions, with 10% loss experience hardly being an outlier (20% would be an outlier, but not unheard of).
> >
> > Software tools, such as VP for winners, provide an exceptional means bywhich to guage potential loss exposure when tackling a play that lies outside of your standard monetary risk exposure, and is well worth the investment.
> >
> > As far as potential venues for taking a Diamond in a day run, vpfree2.com is chock full of accessible alternatives. I would suggest that a something such as a multiplay $.25 machine (or perhaps 3-play $1) machine would be much more apt, in terms of bankroll risk. These are available in several venues.
> >
> > Researching alternative venues by browsing archived posts here and te harrahscasinos forum will offer some intel on where thr rewards for such play might be a bit richer.
> >
> > Frankly, I'm gonna speculaye that you benefit fron a guardian angel, who shied you away from the CLV $5 machines, before you found yourself heabily invested in an adverse session. (True, it would have been far kinder to just flop a RF for you ... But, I've yet to stumble on that type of leprachaun :)
> >
> > - H.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You can stare at the stats but my $1 9/6 play never had anywhere near that swing. My typical $5-10k session is plus or minus $1-200. So I let the anecdotal trump them impirical. I am not the only guilty of that. I also had an idea of trying to make up that lost EV at a invitation only multiplier event.
> > > I live in NYC so my options are slimmer than in LV.
> >
>
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10-play $.25 jb would have handily seen you through your DIAD play in 6-7 hrs, with nominal risk, relative to $5 single line. There are other options, detailed in vpFREE2 that might have suited your purposes as well.
You're welcome to make your own call re the quality of feedback available on this group and elsewhere. Personally, i'm satisfied that there is a treasure trove that can be gleaned when a reasoned mind is applied.
On the other hand, it's not entirely uncommon that the group occasionally encounters someone who thinks most everyone else is full of crap. It can be expected that they come away from the experience with commensurate value.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@...> wrote:
>
> I had seen discussions here and elsewhere of DIAD. Problem is you see advice and it is not always apparent who is full of crap. Yes if there was a 100 play .25 9/6 JoB that would have been my first choice but I did not see it.
>
> The main benefit is at work where I have to make a lot of small decisions and the fear or failure I felt made me too conservative and not innovative. Unless it is quads or above I don't get excited anymore and in a weird way the cost of that play is a self investment.
>
> I could have spent money on a shrink or guru but I think gambling gave me a bit more self confidence. Plus I am happy with the cheapie mini holidays I have gotten out of it.
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, picking up on your "If I had it to do over" thought, in your shoes I'd have posted my intent to tackle DIAD, noting your intent to play CLV, and asking for input. At fhe very minimum you'd likely have benefited from added insight.
> >
> > As far as info not disclosed on these groups, the greater value I find in active participation comes from private exchanges with others who share and exchange valuable info, prompted by the quality of my contributions here. Bear in mind that 10 years or so ago, I was likely less informed than you are now -- the information I've gleaned Since has predominantly been a direct or indirect consequence of group participation.
> >
> > There's no question that there's a distinct onus on each player to find their own way to profitable play. However, trailblazing, without seeking the benefit of other's intelligence, is most certainly going to yield an unpleasantly large number of fruitless dead ends.
> >
> > - H.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had looked at the ROR numbers and did bankroll calculations and all told me I might take a beating or was over my head.
> > > My trainer sessions reinforced that. I would say on $1000 bankroll $5 JoB I would lose the whole thing 3/10 times before 100 hands, +100-250 4/10, -100-+100 2/10 and +250+ 1/10.
> > >
> > > I do go high and low within a session of $1 as high as $400 up and as low as $550 down. I just fell into the I am immune to math idiocy, at least I'm not in denial. I did jump back into my smaller pond. I did not think I was immune to gravity at least.
> > >
> > > You are correct about VPFree but there are some things just not there like that while the $1/5 JoB at Resorts is in a smoking area it is very empty, or that the machines are in need of repair or there are some funky progressives at one casino not listed. Or the ACH VP player that always tries to give you the wrong info or starts chain smoking when he knows it bothers you but never seems to smoke otherwise.
> > >
> > > If I could do it over I would pick a different combination of play locations. I even played around with GN because I was a Landry's patron. There are plays and promotions that you just have to be boots on the ground to see or figure out. These forum are great but I think I will have to find the yellow brick road on my own
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bob B succinctily responds to that claim ;)
> > > >
> > > > Your posts reflect a decent measure of common sense and rationality (which is why I bothered to probe your motivations for the $5 foray). But it's clear that thre's much fodder on these groups from which you can benefit.
> > > >
> > > > You suggest that most of your short session jb results stay within a 2%-4% loss cap. That would be rather exceptional. My gut reaction (from 15 years of play) would be that a 6% cap would cover 60% of 2000 hand sessions, with 10% loss experience hardly being an outlier (20% would be an outlier, but not unheard of).
> > > >
> > > > Software tools, such as VP for winners, provide an exceptional means bywhich to guage potential loss exposure when tackling a play that lies outside of your standard monetary risk exposure, and is well worth the investment.
> > > >
> > > > As far as potential venues for taking a Diamond in a day run, vpfree2.com is chock full of accessible alternatives. I would suggest that a something such as a multiplay $.25 machine (or perhaps 3-play $1) machine would be much more apt, in terms of bankroll risk. These are available in several venues.
> > > >
> > > > Researching alternative venues by browsing archived posts here and te harrahscasinos forum will offer some intel on where thr rewards for such play might be a bit richer.
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, I'm gonna speculaye that you benefit fron a guardian angel, who shied you away from the CLV $5 machines, before you found yourself heabily invested in an adverse session. (True, it would have been far kinder to just flop a RF for you ... But, I've yet to stumble on that type of leprachaun :)
> > > >
> > > > - H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You can stare at the stats but my $1 9/6 play never had anywhere near that swing. My typical $5-10k session is plus or minus $1-200. So I let the anecdotal trump them impirical. I am not the only guilty of that. I also had an idea of trying to make up that lost EV at a invitation only multiplier event.
> > > > > I live in NYC so my options are slimmer than in LV.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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The problem with the DIAD program is that it's a bigger casino promotion than regular diamond, and that means advantage: casino. All the years I was a diamond player I played to the minimum requirements, then stepped away from Harrahs until the next fiscal year. If I remember correctly, DIAD also had some calendar shortcomings of some sort.
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Date: Sun, Jun 9, 2013 11:54 am
I had seen discussions here and elsewhere of DIAD. Problem is you see advice and it is not always apparent who is full of crap. Yes if there was a 100 play .25 9/6 JoB that would have been my first choice but I did not see it.
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I had seen discussions here and elsewhere of DIAD. Problem is you see advice and it is not always apparent who is full of crap. Yes if there was a 100 play .25 9/6 JoB that would have been my first choice but I did not see it.
The main benefit is at work where I have to make a lot of small decisions and the fear or failure I felt made me too conservative and not innovative. Unless it is quads or above I don't get excited anymore and in a weird way the cost of that play is a self investment.
I could have spent money on a shrink or guru but I think gambling gave me a bit more self confidence. Plus I am happy with the cheapie mini holidays I have gotten out of it.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
> Well, picking up on your "If I had it to do over" thought, in your shoes I'd have posted my intent to tackle DIAD, noting your intent to play CLV, and asking for input. At fhe very minimum you'd likely have benefited from added insight.
>
> As far as info not disclosed on these groups, the greater value I find in active participation comes from private exchanges with others who share and exchange valuable info, prompted by the quality of my contributions here. Bear in mind that 10 years or so ago, I was likely less informed than you are now -- the information I've gleaned Since has predominantly been a direct or indirect consequence of group participation.
>
> There's no question that there's a distinct onus on each player to find their own way to profitable play. However, trailblazing, without seeking the benefit of other's intelligence, is most certainly going to yield an unpleasantly large number of fruitless dead ends.
>
> - H.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@> wrote:
> >
> > I had looked at the ROR numbers and did bankroll calculations and all told me I might take a beating or was over my head.
> > My trainer sessions reinforced that. I would say on $1000 bankroll $5 JoB I would lose the whole thing 3/10 times before 100 hands, +100-250 4/10, -100-+100 2/10 and +250+ 1/10.
> >
> > I do go high and low within a session of $1 as high as $400 up and as low as $550 down. I just fell into the I am immune to math idiocy, at least I'm not in denial. I did jump back into my smaller pond. I did not think I was immune to gravity at least.
> >
> > You are correct about VPFree but there are some things just not there like that while the $1/5 JoB at Resorts is in a smoking area it is very empty, or that the machines are in need of repair or there are some funky progressives at one casino not listed. Or the ACH VP player that always tries to give you the wrong info or starts chain smoking when he knows it bothers you but never seems to smoke otherwise.
> >
> > If I could do it over I would pick a different combination of play locations. I even played around with GN because I was a Landry's patron. There are plays and promotions that you just have to be boots on the ground to see or figure out. These forum are great but I think I will have to find the yellow brick road on my own
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
> >
> > > Bob B succinctily responds to that claim ;)
> > >
> > > Your posts reflect a decent measure of common sense and rationality (which is why I bothered to probe your motivations for the $5 foray). But it's clear that thre's much fodder on these groups from which you can benefit.
> > >
> > > You suggest that most of your short session jb results stay within a 2%-4% loss cap. That would be rather exceptional. My gut reaction (from 15 years of play) would be that a 6% cap would cover 60% of 2000 hand sessions, with 10% loss experience hardly being an outlier (20% would be an outlier, but not unheard of).
> > >
> > > Software tools, such as VP for winners, provide an exceptional means bywhich to guage potential loss exposure when tackling a play that lies outside of your standard monetary risk exposure, and is well worth the investment.
> > >
> > > As far as potential venues for taking a Diamond in a day run, vpfree2.com is chock full of accessible alternatives. I would suggest that a something such as a multiplay $.25 machine (or perhaps 3-play $1) machine would be much more apt, in terms of bankroll risk. These are available in several venues.
> > >
> > > Researching alternative venues by browsing archived posts here and te harrahscasinos forum will offer some intel on where thr rewards for such play might be a bit richer.
> > >
> > > Frankly, I'm gonna speculaye that you benefit fron a guardian angel, who shied you away from the CLV $5 machines, before you found yourself heabily invested in an adverse session. (True, it would have been far kinder to just flop a RF for you ... But, I've yet to stumble on that type of leprachaun :)
> > >
> > > - H.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You can stare at the stats but my $1 9/6 play never had anywhere near that swing. My typical $5-10k session is plus or minus $1-200. So I let the anecdotal trump them impirical. I am not the only guilty of that. I also had an idea of trying to make up that lost EV at a invitation only multiplier event.
> > > > I live in NYC so my options are slimmer than in LV.
> > >
> >
>
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Well, picking up on your "If I had it to do over" thought, in your shoes I'd have posted my intent to tackle DIAD, noting your intent to play CLV, and asking for input. At fhe very minimum you'd likely have benefited from added insight.
As far as info not disclosed on these groups, the greater value I find in active participation comes from private exchanges with others who share and exchange valuable info, prompted by the quality of my contributions here. Bear in mind that 10 years or so ago, I was likely less informed than you are now -- the information I've gleaned Since has predominantly been a direct or indirect consequence of group participation.
There's no question that there's a distinct onus on each player to find their own way to profitable play. However, trailblazing, without seeking the benefit of other's intelligence, is most certainly going to yield an unpleasantly large number of fruitless dead ends.
- H.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@...> wrote:
>
> I had looked at the ROR numbers and did bankroll calculations and all told me I might take a beating or was over my head.
> My trainer sessions reinforced that. I would say on $1000 bankroll $5 JoB I would lose the whole thing 3/10 times before 100 hands, +100-250 4/10, -100-+100 2/10 and +250+ 1/10.
>
> I do go high and low within a session of $1 as high as $400 up and as low as $550 down. I just fell into the I am immune to math idiocy, at least I'm not in denial. I did jump back into my smaller pond. I did not think I was immune to gravity at least.
>
> You are correct about VPFree but there are some things just not there like that while the $1/5 JoB at Resorts is in a smoking area it is very empty, or that the machines are in need of repair or there are some funky progressives at one casino not listed. Or the ACH VP player that always tries to give you the wrong info or starts chain smoking when he knows it bothers you but never seems to smoke otherwise.
>
> If I could do it over I would pick a different combination of play locations. I even played around with GN because I was a Landry's patron. There are plays and promotions that you just have to be boots on the ground to see or figure out. These forum are great but I think I will have to find the yellow brick road on my own
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
>
> > Bob B succinctily responds to that claim ;)
> >
> > Your posts reflect a decent measure of common sense and rationality (which is why I bothered to probe your motivations for the $5 foray). But it's clear that thre's much fodder on these groups from which you can benefit.
> >
> > You suggest that most of your short session jb results stay within a 2%-4% loss cap. That would be rather exceptional. My gut reaction (from 15 years of play) would be that a 6% cap would cover 60% of 2000 hand sessions, with 10% loss experience hardly being an outlier (20% would be an outlier, but not unheard of).
> >
> > Software tools, such as VP for winners, provide an exceptional means bywhich to guage potential loss exposure when tackling a play that lies outside of your standard monetary risk exposure, and is well worth the investment.
> >
> > As far as potential venues for taking a Diamond in a day run, vpfree2.com is chock full of accessible alternatives. I would suggest that a something such as a multiplay $.25 machine (or perhaps 3-play $1) machine would be much more apt, in terms of bankroll risk. These are available in several venues.
> >
> > Researching alternative venues by browsing archived posts here and te harrahscasinos forum will offer some intel on where thr rewards for such play might be a bit richer.
> >
> > Frankly, I'm gonna speculaye that you benefit fron a guardian angel, who shied you away from the CLV $5 machines, before you found yourself heabily invested in an adverse session. (True, it would have been far kinder to just flop a RF for you ... But, I've yet to stumble on that type of leprachaun :)
> >
> > - H.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You can stare at the stats but my $1 9/6 play never had anywhere near that swing. My typical $5-10k session is plus or minus $1-200. So I let the anecdotal trump them impirical. I am not the only guilty of that. I also had an idea of trying to make up that lost EV at a invitation only multiplier event.
> > > I live in NYC so my options are slimmer than in LV.
> >
>
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