[vpFREE] Re: Occam's Razor

 

Wow. OK I wasn't expecting that even a little bit. No wonder it was off my radar. You are correct, I guess that would be more accurate.

It's just the casino is claiming less than what's true, which I don't really think is cause for action.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote: If the machines are not set to stop at 102.5%, then the signs are wrong. "Up to 102.5%" means exactly that and nothing else. If any of the games ever go anything above that point--which they already have and will continue to do so--then the language is incorrect.
>
> I suggest they advertise accurately instead of floating a number out there that they believe will satisfy customers who'll be impressed with 102.5%. "Up to 102.5%, and occasionally higher" would fulfill that bill.
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, I just don't understand your statement. How was the sign wrong? When we met he actually asked me if the sign was acceptable and I told him it was perfectly fine. I must be missing something.
> >
> > We know the bank can reach 102.5% because it has already gotten there at least three times--Even on one of the meters that wasn't seeded, and rose from reset.
> >
> > Up to 102.5%+ is in my opinion a perfectly reasonable, and if anything understated statement.
> >
> > You did read the whole recount didn't you? By the method he used, the claim cannot be false. Unless you are disputing the accuracy of Winpoker and other VP trainer software.
> >
> > So I guess the quick answer is "no" he does not realize that anything is amiss and needs fixing...for that matter neither do I.
> >
> > Whatever it is you are taking issue with is not on my radar.
> >
> > ~FK
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I appreciate a good story and how it all came to be, and it's hardly a game-changer esp. for an out-of-towner like myself. But, did he recognize/understand that the sign was incorrect for those games, and is anything being done to rectify the situation?
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Frank <frank@>
> > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:50 PM
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] Occam's Razor
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Optional title, "Sometimes a Cigar is Just a Cigar".
> > >
> > > I noticed tons of posts about the signs on the new M progressive. Few of them favorable and many of them outright accusatory. I postulated on it's origin and what it meant, but we need guess no longer. I bumped into its creator yesterday at the M, and simply asked him how he created it and where he got the numbers from. Here's the answer.
> > >
> > > He left his office, went downstairs, wrote down the highest meter (at the time) went back to his office, ran the game with that JP amount on Winpoker, recorded the return and added the words, "up to".
> > >
> > > Now here's the irony: In his own words, "I did this so there was no chance anyone could question it, or accuse us of false advertising." He figured if it was already at this number when he looked at it, and he included "up to" he was totally safe.
> > >
> > > You can imagine his surprise when he caught wind of all the hubbub on vpFREE.
> > >
> > > Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms--just a single guy tasked with writing advertising copy for something he really wasn't all that familiar with, trying to do his job as best he could. It's not as interesting as an Illuminati spawned plot to fleece you of your money, but the truth rarely is as "interesting" as fiction.
> > >
> > > Most of the time the simplest answer is the truth and a cigar is just a cigar.
> > >
> > > Don't worry, I soothed his ruffled feathers and assured him had he boldly stated that the sun would rise tomorrow, some people on vpFREE would still disagree. That's its charm:)
> > >
> > > ~FK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Hard Rock is now downgrading single line VP????

 

Same with Bonus Deluxe... was there today expecting to at least play a little single line BDlx... Nope!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Kevin <kevinbaronowsky@...> wrote:
>
> The 6 slant tops with JoB by hotel registration are now gone. The machines
> still exist, but JoB has been removed as a game selection.
>
> KGB
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:53 AM, the7thwarrior <Judy@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > For me 8/5 Bonus Poker is not playable for any length of time.
> > I need 9/6 jacks or better or NSU deuces to sit for a session.
> > Have to be some huge perks to play any lower paytable.
> >
> > I know 8/5 bonus poker is becoming the new "good game" but I think I will
> > have to stop gambling if it comes to that. You can't make up in comps what
> > you lose in money. Not counting the time it is tied to a 6000 coin
> > progressive that is.
> >
> > There has to be multiple promos happening to play that game.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "st.tropez97" <st.tropez97@> wrote:
> > >
> > > James Thompson <jamesgthompson@> wrote:
> > > > has vpfree2 been updated? Did they downgrade the
> > > > .25cent machines near the belldesk? They had 10
> > > > play 8/5 bonus
> > >
> > > "the7thwarrior" <Judy@> wrote:
> > > > The multi strike and super times pay multi strike
> > > > were absent. Don't know if they are gone or
> > > > hidden somewhere else.
> > >
> > > What I saw today at the Hard Rock LV is now in vpFREE2.
> > >
> > > There is still one 25c 10 play 8/5 BP near the bell desk by hotel
> > registration (original tower). The other two of these have been moved to the
> > new area on the other side of the table games from the Midway Bar.
> > >
> > > One of the MS STP is still in the area down the steps from hotel
> > registration. The other one has been moved to the new area on the other side
> > of the table games from the Midway Bar.
> > >
> > > One 5 play MS is still in the same area down the steps from hotel
> > registration.
> > >
> > > http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/hard-rock-hotel-casino/games/basic
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M

 

Or was it 22 Benjies and 5 Andys?

I definitely agree that he did not feel like an idiot when he collected his 23
pictures of Mr. Franklin...

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Re: [vpFREE] Hard Rock is now downgrading single line VP????

 

The 6 slant tops with JoB by hotel registration are now gone. The machines
still exist, but JoB has been removed as a game selection.

KGB

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:53 AM, the7thwarrior <Judy@realtor.com> wrote:

>
>
> For me 8/5 Bonus Poker is not playable for any length of time.
> I need 9/6 jacks or better or NSU deuces to sit for a session.
> Have to be some huge perks to play any lower paytable.
>
> I know 8/5 bonus poker is becoming the new "good game" but I think I will
> have to stop gambling if it comes to that. You can't make up in comps what
> you lose in money. Not counting the time it is tied to a 6000 coin
> progressive that is.
>
> There has to be multiple promos happening to play that game.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "st.tropez97" <st.tropez97@...> wrote:
> >
> > James Thompson <jamesgthompson@> wrote:
> > > has vpfree2 been updated? Did they downgrade the
> > > .25cent machines near the belldesk? They had 10
> > > play 8/5 bonus
> >
> > "the7thwarrior" <Judy@> wrote:
> > > The multi strike and super times pay multi strike
> > > were absent. Don't know if they are gone or
> > > hidden somewhere else.
> >
> > What I saw today at the Hard Rock LV is now in vpFREE2.
> >
> > There is still one 25c 10 play 8/5 BP near the bell desk by hotel
> registration (original tower). The other two of these have been moved to the
> new area on the other side of the table games from the Midway Bar.
> >
> > One of the MS STP is still in the area down the steps from hotel
> registration. The other one has been moved to the new area on the other side
> of the table games from the Midway Bar.
> >
> > One 5 play MS is still in the same area down the steps from hotel
> registration.
> >
> > http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/hard-rock-hotel-casino/games/basic
> >
>
>
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Occam's Razor

 

If the machines are not set to stop at 102.5%, then the signs are wrong. "Up to 102.5%" means exactly that and nothing else. If any of the games ever go anything above that point--which they already have and will continue to do so--then the language is incorrect.

I suggest they advertise accurately instead of floating a number out there that they believe will satisfy customers who'll be impressed with 102.5%. "Up to 102.5%, and occasionally higher" would fulfill that bill.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, I just don't understand your statement. How was the sign wrong? When we met he actually asked me if the sign was acceptable and I told him it was perfectly fine. I must be missing something.
>
> We know the bank can reach 102.5% because it has already gotten there at least three times--Even on one of the meters that wasn't seeded, and rose from reset.
>
> Up to 102.5%+ is in my opinion a perfectly reasonable, and if anything understated statement.
>
> You did read the whole recount didn't you? By the method he used, the claim cannot be false. Unless you are disputing the accuracy of Winpoker and other VP trainer software.
>
> So I guess the quick answer is "no" he does not realize that anything is amiss and needs fixing...for that matter neither do I.
>
> Whatever it is you are taking issue with is not on my radar.
>
> ~FK
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
> >
> > I appreciate a good story and how it all came to be, and it's hardly a game-changer esp. for an out-of-towner like myself. But, did he recognize/understand that the sign was incorrect for those games, and is anything being done to rectify the situation?
> >
> >
> > From: Frank <frank@>
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:50 PM
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Occam's Razor
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Optional title, "Sometimes a Cigar is Just a Cigar".
> >
> > I noticed tons of posts about the signs on the new M progressive. Few of them favorable and many of them outright accusatory. I postulated on it's origin and what it meant, but we need guess no longer. I bumped into its creator yesterday at the M, and simply asked him how he created it and where he got the numbers from. Here's the answer.
> >
> > He left his office, went downstairs, wrote down the highest meter (at the time) went back to his office, ran the game with that JP amount on Winpoker, recorded the return and added the words, "up to".
> >
> > Now here's the irony: In his own words, "I did this so there was no chance anyone could question it, or accuse us of false advertising." He figured if it was already at this number when he looked at it, and he included "up to" he was totally safe.
> >
> > You can imagine his surprise when he caught wind of all the hubbub on vpFREE.
> >
> > Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms--just a single guy tasked with writing advertising copy for something he really wasn't all that familiar with, trying to do his job as best he could. It's not as interesting as an Illuminati spawned plot to fleece you of your money, but the truth rarely is as "interesting" as fiction.
> >
> > Most of the time the simplest answer is the truth and a cigar is just a cigar.
> >
> > Don't worry, I soothed his ruffled feathers and assured him had he boldly stated that the sun would rise tomorrow, some people on vpFREE would still disagree. That's its charm:)
> >
> > ~FK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M

Another point being seemingly overlooked is that people are going to play
games which they know the best. While I might be able to play JoB nearly
perfect and only give up .4% in equity long term (just an example), that
doesn't mean I should play a machine that is theoretically 102% vs 99.7% of
JoB if I can only play a game on the 102% at 98% in actual return. Some
games are much more difficult to master.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:03 PM, mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> I definitely agree that he did not feel like an idiot when he collected his
> 23 pictures of Mr. Franklin...
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M
> >
> > Who was the idiot playing the Double Bonus?
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 3 Royals hit today that I'm aware of.
> > >
> > > $2,300 Double Bonus
> > > $4,300 Joker KoB
> > > $4,100 Super Double Bonus
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > Why would he be the "idiot"? Based on the reported $4,300 & $2,300 royals
>
> > for KBJW and DB respectively, the joker definitely had an expected return
> of
> > almost exactly 4% higher than the DB. Most people in this group will
> likely
> > agree that VP is mathematics, but certainly more than a single
> calculation.
> > In the two games above at the level that they were hit, the joker player
> was
> > fighting a variance number of 340, while the DB player only 120, just a
> bit
> > more than 1/3 the joker game. The royal cycle, another consideration
> while
> > playing progressives,was 10 percent more hands for the KBJW game (just
> like
> > most wild card games) than was the cycle for the DB game. If you consider
>
> > limiting your play on either game to five or six hours, the likelihood of
>
> > hitting the top two payoffs in either game is severely reduced. In KBJW,
> > without a royal or a five of a kind, the average long term hourly loss
> for
> > an 800 HPH player will be around $80. For the DB player who does not
> score
> > a royal or a straight flush, considerably less, at around $68.50 per
> hour.
> > I am not making any judgments on anything here, but as has been posted
> many
> > times , return is not the only consideration for making a game choice.
> For
> > those with limited finances, bankroll protection is a big factor if you
> are
> > just taking a limited shot at a progressive. I play a lot on progressive
> > games, and I will usually ponder all of the above variables when choosing
>
> > a game. There are many play by the seat of your pants progressive players
>
> > out there that none of the above will apply to. These are the folks that,
>
> > when you mention EV, they may think that you are referring to the oil
> that
> > Rachael Ray adds to her salads. I assume that most of our members are
> above
> > that talent level. Not knowing the player who was hit by the DB royal,
> and
> > therefore having no clue as to their goals, how can we judge an
> intelligence
> > level? They may have been thinking that playing a game that has a similar
>
> > return to JOB, close to break even without the mailer, may improve their
> BB.
> > One thing I am sure of is that the person who walked with the $2,300 hand
>
> > pay probably does not consider themselves an idiot.
> >
> > Nudge
> >
>
>
>


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[vpFREE] Re: Occam's Razor

 

They are working on it. Digital signs take about three months to fabricate.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
>
> I think it would be more exciting and better for them if they posted a running clock showing the highest meter. Something like "Quarter VP -$3812 Royal Flush" and show that number increasing.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, I just don't understand your statement. How was the sign wrong? When we met he actually asked me if the sign was acceptable and I told him it was perfectly fine. I must be missing something.
> >
> > We know the bank can reach 102.5% because it has already gotten there at least three times--Even on one of the meters that wasn't seeded, and rose from reset.
> >
> > Up to 102.5%+ is in my opinion a perfectly reasonable, and if anything understated statement.
> >
> > You did read the whole recount didn't you? By the method he used, the claim cannot be false. Unless you are disputing the accuracy of Winpoker and other VP trainer software.
> >
> > So I guess the quick answer is "no" he does not realize that anything is amiss and needs fixing...for that matter neither do I.
> >
> > Whatever it is you are taking issue with is not on my radar.
> >
> > ~FK
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I appreciate a good story and how it all came to be, and it's hardly a game-changer esp. for an out-of-towner like myself. But, did he recognize/understand that the sign was incorrect for those games, and is anything being done to rectify the situation?
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Frank <frank@>
> > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:50 PM
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] Occam's Razor
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Optional title, "Sometimes a Cigar is Just a Cigar".
> > >
> > > I noticed tons of posts about the signs on the new M progressive. Few of them favorable and many of them outright accusatory. I postulated on it's origin and what it meant, but we need guess no longer. I bumped into its creator yesterday at the M, and simply asked him how he created it and where he got the numbers from. Here's the answer.
> > >
> > > He left his office, went downstairs, wrote down the highest meter (at the time) went back to his office, ran the game with that JP amount on Winpoker, recorded the return and added the words, "up to".
> > >
> > > Now here's the irony: In his own words, "I did this so there was no chance anyone could question it, or accuse us of false advertising." He figured if it was already at this number when he looked at it, and he included "up to" he was totally safe.
> > >
> > > You can imagine his surprise when he caught wind of all the hubbub on vpFREE.
> > >
> > > Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms--just a single guy tasked with writing advertising copy for something he really wasn't all that familiar with, trying to do his job as best he could. It's not as interesting as an Illuminati spawned plot to fleece you of your money, but the truth rarely is as "interesting" as fiction.
> > >
> > > Most of the time the simplest answer is the truth and a cigar is just a cigar.
> > >
> > > Don't worry, I soothed his ruffled feathers and assured him had he boldly stated that the sun would rise tomorrow, some people on vpFREE would still disagree. That's its charm:)
> > >
> > > ~FK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Occam's Razor

 

I think it would be more exciting and better for them if they posted a running clock showing the highest meter. Something like "Quarter VP -$3812 Royal Flush" and show that number increasing.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, I just don't understand your statement. How was the sign wrong? When we met he actually asked me if the sign was acceptable and I told him it was perfectly fine. I must be missing something.
>
> We know the bank can reach 102.5% because it has already gotten there at least three times--Even on one of the meters that wasn't seeded, and rose from reset.
>
> Up to 102.5%+ is in my opinion a perfectly reasonable, and if anything understated statement.
>
> You did read the whole recount didn't you? By the method he used, the claim cannot be false. Unless you are disputing the accuracy of Winpoker and other VP trainer software.
>
> So I guess the quick answer is "no" he does not realize that anything is amiss and needs fixing...for that matter neither do I.
>
> Whatever it is you are taking issue with is not on my radar.
>
> ~FK
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
> >
> > I appreciate a good story and how it all came to be, and it's hardly a game-changer esp. for an out-of-towner like myself. But, did he recognize/understand that the sign was incorrect for those games, and is anything being done to rectify the situation?
> >
> >
> > From: Frank <frank@>
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:50 PM
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Occam's Razor
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Optional title, "Sometimes a Cigar is Just a Cigar".
> >
> > I noticed tons of posts about the signs on the new M progressive. Few of them favorable and many of them outright accusatory. I postulated on it's origin and what it meant, but we need guess no longer. I bumped into its creator yesterday at the M, and simply asked him how he created it and where he got the numbers from. Here's the answer.
> >
> > He left his office, went downstairs, wrote down the highest meter (at the time) went back to his office, ran the game with that JP amount on Winpoker, recorded the return and added the words, "up to".
> >
> > Now here's the irony: In his own words, "I did this so there was no chance anyone could question it, or accuse us of false advertising." He figured if it was already at this number when he looked at it, and he included "up to" he was totally safe.
> >
> > You can imagine his surprise when he caught wind of all the hubbub on vpFREE.
> >
> > Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms--just a single guy tasked with writing advertising copy for something he really wasn't all that familiar with, trying to do his job as best he could. It's not as interesting as an Illuminati spawned plot to fleece you of your money, but the truth rarely is as "interesting" as fiction.
> >
> > Most of the time the simplest answer is the truth and a cigar is just a cigar.
> >
> > Don't worry, I soothed his ruffled feathers and assured him had he boldly stated that the sun would rise tomorrow, some people on vpFREE would still disagree. That's its charm:)
> >
> > ~FK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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[vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M

 


I definitely agree that he did not feel like an idiot when he collected his 23 pictures of Mr. Franklin...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M
>
> Who was the idiot playing the Double Bonus?
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> >
> > 3 Royals hit today that I'm aware of.
> >
> > $2,300 Double Bonus
> > $4,300 Joker KoB
> > $4,100 Super Double Bonus
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Why would he be the "idiot"? Based on the reported $4,300 & $2,300 royals
> for KBJW and DB respectively, the joker definitely had an expected return of
> almost exactly 4% higher than the DB. Most people in this group will likely
> agree that VP is mathematics, but certainly more than a single calculation.
> In the two games above at the level that they were hit, the joker player was
> fighting a variance number of 340, while the DB player only 120, just a bit
> more than 1/3 the joker game. The royal cycle, another consideration while
> playing progressives,was 10 percent more hands for the KBJW game (just like
> most wild card games) than was the cycle for the DB game. If you consider
> limiting your play on either game to five or six hours, the likelihood of
> hitting the top two payoffs in either game is severely reduced. In KBJW,
> without a royal or a five of a kind, the average long term hourly loss for
> an 800 HPH player will be around $80. For the DB player who does not score
> a royal or a straight flush, considerably less, at around $68.50 per hour.
> I am not making any judgments on anything here, but as has been posted many
> times , return is not the only consideration for making a game choice. For
> those with limited finances, bankroll protection is a big factor if you are
> just taking a limited shot at a progressive. I play a lot on progressive
> games, and I will usually ponder all of the above variables when choosing
> a game. There are many play by the seat of your pants progressive players
> out there that none of the above will apply to. These are the folks that,
> when you mention EV, they may think that you are referring to the oil that
> Rachael Ray adds to her salads. I assume that most of our members are above
> that talent level. Not knowing the player who was hit by the DB royal, and
> therefore having no clue as to their goals, how can we judge an intelligence
> level? They may have been thinking that playing a game that has a similar
> return to JOB, close to break even without the mailer, may improve their BB.
> One thing I am sure of is that the person who walked with the $2,300 hand
> pay probably does not consider themselves an idiot.
>
> Nudge
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Occam's Razor

 

Now that is funny:)

While we are at it, that Black Death thing in Europe in the 14th century was me to...and I have also cut down a cherry tree.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, David Silvus <djsilvus@...> wrote: "Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms--just a single guy tasked with writing advertising copy for something he really wasn't all that familiar with, trying to do his job as best he could."
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> Precisely the type of explanation one would expect from someone who is part of the conspiracy. I guess that proves Frank's in on it.
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> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: frank@...
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:50:47 +0000
> Subject: [vpFREE] Occam's Razor
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> Optional title, "Sometimes a Cigar is Just a Cigar".
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> I noticed tons of posts about the signs on the new M progressive. Few of them favorable and many of them outright accusatory. I postulated on it's origin and what it meant, but we need guess no longer. I bumped into its creator yesterday at the M, and simply asked him how he created it and where he got the numbers from. Here's the answer.
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> He left his office, went downstairs, wrote down the highest meter (at the time) went back to his office, ran the game with that JP amount on Winpoker, recorded the return and added the words, "up to".
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> Now here's the irony: In his own words, "I did this so there was no chance anyone could question it, or accuse us of false advertising." He figured if it was already at this number when he looked at it, and he included "up to" he was totally safe.
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> You can imagine his surprise when he caught wind of all the hubbub on vpFREE.
>
> Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms--just a single guy tasked with writing advertising copy for something he really wasn't all that familiar with, trying to do his job as best he could. It's not as interesting as an Illuminati spawned plot to fleece you of your money, but the truth rarely is as "interesting" as fiction.
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> Most of the time the simplest answer is the truth and a cigar is just a cigar.
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> Don't worry, I soothed his ruffled feathers and assured him had he boldly stated that the sun would rise tomorrow, some people on vpFREE would still disagree. That's its charm:)
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RE: [vpFREE] Occam's Razor

"Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms--just a single guy tasked with writing advertising copy for something he really wasn't all that familiar with, trying to do his job as best he could."

Precisely the type of explanation one would expect from someone who is part of the conspiracy. I guess that proves Frank's in on it.


To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: frank@progressivevp.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:50:47 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Occam's Razor


Optional title, "Sometimes a Cigar is Just a Cigar".

I noticed tons of posts about the signs on the new M progressive. Few of them favorable and many of them outright accusatory. I postulated on it's origin and what it meant, but we need guess no longer. I bumped into its creator yesterday at the M, and simply asked him how he created it and where he got the numbers from. Here's the answer.

He left his office, went downstairs, wrote down the highest meter (at the time) went back to his office, ran the game with that JP amount on Winpoker, recorded the return and added the words, "up to".

Now here's the irony: In his own words, "I did this so there was no chance anyone could question it, or accuse us of false advertising." He figured if it was already at this number when he looked at it, and he included "up to" he was totally safe.

You can imagine his surprise when he caught wind of all the hubbub on vpFREE.

Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms--just a single guy tasked with writing advertising copy for something he really wasn't all that familiar with, trying to do his job as best he could. It's not as interesting as an Illuminati spawned plot to fleece you of your money, but the truth rarely is as "interesting" as fiction.

Most of the time the simplest answer is the truth and a cigar is just a cigar.

Don't worry, I soothed his ruffled feathers and assured him had he boldly stated that the sun would rise tomorrow, some people on vpFREE would still disagree. That's its charm:)

~FK

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Re: [vpFREE] Occam's Razor

 

"Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms"

What??? No way!

Ha ha
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[vpFREE] Re: Occam's Razor

 

I'm sorry, I just don't understand your statement. How was the sign wrong? When we met he actually asked me if the sign was acceptable and I told him it was perfectly fine. I must be missing something.

We know the bank can reach 102.5% because it has already gotten there at least three times--Even on one of the meters that wasn't seeded, and rose from reset.

Up to 102.5%+ is in my opinion a perfectly reasonable, and if anything understated statement.

You did read the whole recount didn't you? By the method he used, the claim cannot be false. Unless you are disputing the accuracy of Winpoker and other VP trainer software.

So I guess the quick answer is "no" he does not realize that anything is amiss and needs fixing...for that matter neither do I.

Whatever it is you are taking issue with is not on my radar.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
>
> I appreciate a good story and how it all came to be, and it's hardly a game-changer esp. for an out-of-towner like myself. But, did he recognize/understand that the sign was incorrect for those games, and is anything being done to rectify the situation?
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> From: Frank <frank@...>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:50 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Occam's Razor
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>  
>
> Optional title, "Sometimes a Cigar is Just a Cigar".
>
> I noticed tons of posts about the signs on the new M progressive. Few of them favorable and many of them outright accusatory. I postulated on it's origin and what it meant, but we need guess no longer. I bumped into its creator yesterday at the M, and simply asked him how he created it and where he got the numbers from. Here's the answer.
>
> He left his office, went downstairs, wrote down the highest meter (at the time) went back to his office, ran the game with that JP amount on Winpoker, recorded the return and added the words, "up to".
>
> Now here's the irony: In his own words, "I did this so there was no chance anyone could question it, or accuse us of false advertising." He figured if it was already at this number when he looked at it, and he included "up to" he was totally safe.
>
> You can imagine his surprise when he caught wind of all the hubbub on vpFREE.
>
> Sorry...no conspiracy...no deliberate attempt to deceive...no hush hush meetings in dark smoke filled rooms--just a single guy tasked with writing advertising copy for something he really wasn't all that familiar with, trying to do his job as best he could. It's not as interesting as an Illuminati spawned plot to fleece you of your money, but the truth rarely is as "interesting" as fiction.
>
> Most of the time the simplest answer is the truth and a cigar is just a cigar.
>
> Don't worry, I soothed his ruffled feathers and assured him had he boldly stated that the sun would rise tomorrow, some people on vpFREE would still disagree. That's its charm:)
>
> ~FK
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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