[vpFREE] Re: Tuna the whole story

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
> After several decades of rings going into river it was Tuna Lund who waded out with a geiger counter or something like that and came up with a couple coffee cans full of rings.

Dulaney, Garmann, and Felesina did the actual work in the summers of 76=78. Old man Charlie Mapes (aka Mr. Potter) didn't have any skin in the action, so he kept the heat on, trying to get RPD to trespass the team and force the crowds watching back into his casino grind joint. But everybody knows they were really working for Tuna. Who hasn't worked for Tuna at some point?

http://www.nevadamagazine.com/issues/read/reno-vated/

Just to make the story more interesting, the find was supposedly "lost" or fenced to support Tuna's wife's hobby. Everybody knows that Tuna cached it somewhere. The question is where? If you were Tuna, where would you cache a bunch of gold and silver where nobody but Tuna could find it?

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's VEGAS VALUES - 2 JAN 2011

 

Scot Krause's VEGAS VALUES - 2 JAN 2011

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/vegas-values/january-2-2011-vegas-values-report.html

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http://tinyurl.com/2czekuf

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http://tinyurl.com/2czekuf</a>

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[vpFREE] Re: Tuna the whole story

 

Then we have some conformation that the story I heard about The Big Fish may well be true. You know Tuna gets some bad press, but fishing out those discarded rings was pure genius. Wish I'd thought of it.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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[vpFREE] Re: machine's

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@...> wrote:
I believe this information is wrong. Swapping out reels is only required if the theme changes. To change the payback of a particular slot game, the weighting of each spot on the reels change, not the physical reels themselves. As far as I know this has always been the case.

I'm very confused. You open this post with "I believe this information is wrong." But you are saying the same thing I am, and I agree with you. You thinking I'm wrong, and my agreeing with you, should be mutually exclusive...leading to my point of contention, or lack thereof.

Perhaps I just worded it in a way that mislead you. I'm a wordy bugger sometimes...no most of the time...see, I'm doing it now.

Anyway, we are both correct. When they swap out the chipset it changes the weighting of the spots (what I call the stops). It's a software thing, but most slots have it hard-coded on e-proms. I'm unclear if there is now a pure software solution.

I miss the old days of wysiwyg.

~Happy new year

~FK

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[vpFREE] Re: machine's

 



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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Meredith And Kenny <meredithandkenny@...> wrote: Hi Frank, No, not slots. Just VPDW of late. The patterns were different on one particular machine that I had played and won on several time. I have a photographic memory and easily see patterns.

Ah...all becomes clear. A photographic memory can get you into a lot of trouble in VP if you are good at noticing patterns and search for them in random events. You WILL find them, but they cannot be used as predictors of the future and should be ignored. In this case, intelligence can be a handicap, unless one has had special training to avoid this mental trap. College courses in probability span years and still fail to overcome deeply ingrained beliefs we are exposed to both as children and as adults.

I have a subheading in my book entitled "Faces in the Clouds" that covers just this case. It is the inclusion of this type of information in my book (absent in other VP tomes) which prompted me to state with confidence on my website that my book is for everyone , even people that don't play progressives or gamble at all. Rather than restate what I have already published, I'll summarize with a new analogy I recently came up with while guest-hosting a radio show. Let's open with a quote:

Highway to Hell Part 1:

There was no question as to the intelligent design of the canals of Mars. The only question was, "Which side of the telescope that intelligence was on?" Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves.
Carl Sagan, Cosmos (Blues for a Red Planet) (summarized)

Imagine you are traveling down a road with "adopt a highway" mile markers every mile, stating the families responsible for each segment's upkeep. You notice:

Mile one belonging to the Robinson's is clean.
Mile two belonging to the Smith's is dirty.
Mile three belonging to the Mortensen's is spotless.
Mile four belonging to the Curmudgeon's is filthy.
And so on...

Almost every person on the planet, myself included, would at first conclude that the Mortensen family must have their act together, and that the Curmudgeon family (as well as having a ridiculous name) must be dropping the ball. It might even be true; the markers provide some information, incomplete and misleading though it may be. Consider that we are making this dogmatic judgment without the slightest inclusion of the random distribution of trash along the road. This common mental deficit in nearly all humans is related to the phenomenon know as "The base rate fallacy", or "base rate neglect". The families who have adopted a stretch of highway are responsible for cleaning, they are not, however, the ones making the mess. The random distribution of trash by littering travelers is by far the more important piece of information required to make a sound judgment about the true cause of trash placement along the route. However, this information is neither provided nor available. So, as the flawed beings that we are, our minds fill in the blanks with what is available, which in this case turns out to be the same thing scattered about our mythical highway...garbage.

Now that you should have the basic idea, let's add to it and make the analogy even more applicable to video poker.

Highway to Hell Part 2:
Now imagine you are traveling down a lonely road that was the target of college hazing by the well known fraternity Delta Iota Kappa (DIK for short). Prospective members had to plant "adopt a highway" mile markers every mile on a stretch of unmaintained road, with either made up names, or the names of the school's staff. You then travel down this route, with completely random distributions of trash, where the mile markers are contrived and literally tell you less than nothing... and notice that:

Mile one belonging to Dean Smith is clean and bald.
Mile two belonging to Professor Cully is dirty and smelly.
Mile three belonging to the Dickless family is spotless and flat.
Mile four belonging to the Bush family is filthy and disorganized.
And so on...No offense to anyone real is intended.

Now it is the time for introspection and honesty. Assuming you knew nothing of the ruse, can you really tell me you wouldn't draw any conclusion about the names printed on the signs, or at least suspect possible negligence of the Bush Family, after seeing the state of their mile???..???

Of course you would. We all would! It is human nature. But here is the real point: THERE ARE NO MILE MARKERS. It is one continuous stretch of unmaintained road, that simply has imaginary lines of demarcation that force our minds down one-way dead end streets. This is the very sophomoric prank we play on our own minds every time we change machines, leave a casino, go to sleep and get up, alter strategy on a hunch, put on a different sweater, etc...ad infinitum... Anything that could possibly be used as a way point in our thoughts to measure success or failure between "here---and---there" will be grasped by our subconscious and used to fool us. Random events have no patterns beyond the ones we create in our own minds that is the very definition of random, "Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective". We just don't know when to leave well enough alone.

The only way to win, is not to play the game.
~War Games

~Frank Kneeland: Author of The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives. www.progressive.com

Referances: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy
http://www.answers.com/topic/randomness

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[vpFREE] Re: machine's "The Highway to Hell"

 



For the post this is a reply to, see bottom.

Ah...all becomes clear. A photographic memory can get you into a lot of trouble in VP if you are good at noticing patterns and search for them in random events. You WILL find them, but they cannot be used as predictors of the future and should be ignored. In this case, intelligence can be a handicap, unless one has had special training to avoid this mental trap. College courses in probability span years and still fail to overcome deeply ingrained beliefs we are exposed to both as children and as adults.

I have a subheading in my book entitled "Faces in the Clouds" that covers just this case. It is the inclusion of this type of information in my book (absent in other VP tomes) which prompted me to state with confidence on my website that my book is for everyone , even people that don't play progressives or gamble at all. Rather than restate what I have already published, I'll summarize with a new analogy I recently came up with while guest-hosting a radio show. Let's open with a quote:

Highway to Hell Part 1:

There was no question as to the intelligent design of the canals of Mars. The only question was, "Which side of the telescope that intelligence was on?" Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves.
Carl Sagan, Cosmos (Blues for a Red Planet) (summarized)

Imagine you are traveling down a road with "adopt a highway" mile markers every mile, stating the families responsible for each segment's upkeep. You notice:

Mile one belonging to the Robinson's is clean.
Mile two belonging to the Smith's is dirty.
Mile three belonging to the Mortensen's is spotless.
Mile four belonging to the Curmudgeon's is filthy.
And so on...

Almost every person on the planet, myself included, would at first conclude that the Mortensen family must have their act together, and that the Curmudgeon family (as well as having a ridiculous name) must be dropping the ball. It might even be true; the markers provide some information, incomplete and misleading though it may be. Consider that we are making this dogmatic judgment without the slightest inclusion of the random distribution of trash along the road. This common mental deficit in nearly all humans is related to the phenomenon know as "The base rate fallacy", or "base rate neglect". The families who have adopted a stretch of highway are responsible for cleaning, they are not, however, the ones making the mess. The random distribution of trash by littering travelers is by far the more important piece of information required to make a sound judgment about the true cause of trash placement along the route. However, this information is neither provided nor available. So, as the flawed beings that we are, our minds fill in the blanks with what is available, which in this case turns out to be the same thing scattered about our mythical highway...garbage.

Now that you should have the basic idea, let's add to it and make the analogy even more applicable to video poker.

Highway to Hell Part 2:
Now imagine you are traveling down a lonely road that was the target of college hazing by the well known fraternity Delta Iota Kappa (DIK for short). Prospective members had to plant "adopt a highway" mile markers every mile on a stretch of unmaintained road, with either made up names, or the names of the school's staff. You then travel down this route, with completely random distributions of trash, where the mile markers are contrived and literally tell you less than nothing... and notice that:

Mile one belonging to Dean Smith is clean and bald.
Mile two belonging to Professor Cully is dirty and smelly.
Mile three belonging to the Dickless family is spotless and flat.
Mile four belonging to the Bush family is filthy and disorganized.
And so on...No offense to anyone real is intended.

Now it is the time for introspection and honesty. Assuming you knew nothing of the ruse, can you really tell me you wouldn't draw any conclusion about the names printed on the signs, or at least suspect possible negligence of the Bush Family, after seeing the state of their mile???..???

Of course you would. We all would! It is human nature. But here is the real point: THERE ARE NO MILE MARKERS. It is one continuous stretch of unmaintained road, that simply has imaginary lines of demarcation that force our minds down one-way dead end streets. This is the very sophomoric prank we play on our own minds every time we change machines, leave a casino, go to sleep and get up, alter strategy on a hunch, put on a different sweater, etc...ad infinitum... Anything that could possibly be used as a way point in our thoughts to measure success or failure between "here---and---there" will be grasped by our subconscious and used to fool us. Random events have no patterns beyond the ones we create in our own minds that is the very definition of random, "Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective". We just don't know when to leave well enough alone.

The only way to win, is not to play the game.
~War Games

~Frank Kneeland: Author of The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives. www.progressive.com

Referances: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy
http://www.answers.com/topic/randomness

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[vpFREE] Re: Tuna the whole story

 

It's a grapevine story so keep that in mind. I heard Tuna actually put the name on himself as a cover for his prowess in poker games.

As for the weddings rings when Nevada legalized gambling in the early thirties they also legalized no fault divorce, but with the qualifier that one had to be a six-week resident of the state. Reno became the divorce capitol of the U.S. Women came from all over to divorce. In those days landlords rented by six-weeks not by the month.

One lady, after receiving her divorce papars, walked out onto the Virginia Street bridge over the Truckee river. She cast here wedding band into the river. It caught on with other women and became a traditon.

In the movie "The Misfits, 1961" Marilyn Monroe and Thelma Ritter are standing on the bridge with Marilyn, just divorced, having her wedding band in hand when Thelma says "Go ahead, honey, throw it."

After several decades of rings going into river it was Tuna Lund who waded out with a geiger counter or something like that and came up with a couple coffee cans full of rings.

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[vpFREE] Re: Tuna the whole story

 

Well no that couldn't have been him. To quote Monty Python:

He has He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PRO-GAMBLER!!

To be less funny about it, Hans Lund (AKA Tuna the Big Fish) is no longer with us. He employed many people I called friend at one time or another, so even despite his possible failings, he left his mark on society. and contributed something. I can only hope I will be talked about as much after my own passing. Though I pray (to Joe Pesci) it will be slightly more positive, I will be happy if I'm not forgotten.

~FK

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[vpFREE] Re: Progressive Question

 

I feel so unneeded. A post entitled "Progressive Question" has come and gone and my input wasn't needed. "gofastnismo" got it perfectly right, and he even had more recent and larger examples than I could have provided.

My stories about the Nob Hill and a casino in Hawthorn NV, would pale in comparison.

Oh woe is me.

Perhaps my teachers didn't mean what I thought when they called me, "special".

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gofastnismo" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:
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[vpFREE] Re: The New Player Bonus Period

 

was it mailed or was it upon checkout?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@...> wrote:
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[vpFREE] Re: Progressive Question

 

This is true in Vegas as well. Seen it done many times. The largest carry over Ive seen was on wheel of fortune when IGT moved a jackpot over to the .25 denom and it was over 4 million. GVR spread a discontinued jackpot progressive over most of their .25 progressive poker banks ,making them all over two or three thousand at one time.

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> machines in their inventory, that they have to reassign the jackpot money
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> hits it?
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> Valerie
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[vpFREE] Re: Twas The Night Before New Years

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "GilbertA" <gilrus47@...> wrote: You call them liars and you want an apology. That is humorous.

FK: Wrote
Yes I laughed quite a lot, which is what I thought we were supposed to be doing in this thread. As its progenitor, I would simply like to remind everyone it began as a Holiday Themed Poem, and I encouraged people to write their own verses.

To get things back on track I have now written a new verse, based on the email exchanges in this thread. Please keep all replies in the poetic verse, iambic pentameter, haiku, or at least include, "Onomatopoeia". I'm kidding of course, do as you please...But don't we want to start the new year positive?

The Crimster told stories both valued and wanted,
as the clock struck twelve, when the new year had started.
Some thought his offerings of dubious veracity,
Perhaps showing their distinct lack of any perspicacity.

~FK

~Warning: The surgeon general has determined that posting in this thread may result in being immortalized in poems and song, possibly to be sung at Renaissance Festivals & Star Trek conventions by smelly people with very large weapons.

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