RE: [vpFREE] Tuscany

 

I can personally attest that in February the senior discount was valid for wine and cigars. I was also told by the fine folks in the gift shop that the discount is not available for newspapers, magazines and books...but is for everything else in the store (assuming that the rules did not change from February to March).

 

Don the Dentist

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[vpFREE] RE: Positive ev at the big two

 

Many thanks for the replies.  My current "affair" is mainly with the downtown Body properties so it looks like I've settled on a pretty good bet.  Haven't made to to Sam's Town or the Orleans yet, may have to try to make it there.  I've also looked at the South Point.  I would probably want to play NSUD, which I am not proficient at so I would have to brush up.  I wonder if South Point's policy of not comping winners applies to out-of-towners the same as locals?  Looks like I have some "work" to do. 

I guess I would refine my question(s) to - if you think you are getting positive ev with total rewards or mlife, why do you think so?  E.g.  I played 50000 coin-in on a 98.5% machine at Harrahs, I would expect to loose $750 but I got diamond status, which gives me a $100 dining credit plus show tickets worth $100 plus $100 in free-play, plus offers for free junkets to tunica, plus access to diamond lounges, plus. . . . which I believe adds up to more than $750 . . I don't know how close I am to reality with this scenario, just trying to get a feel for these rewards programs before I would start playing them.   

Thanks again.

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Re: [vpFREE] Positive ev at the big two

 

We get free rooms at S.P. and have been winners more than losers. The rooms are nice.

Never have asked for any other comps. No need to with their reasonable food prices.
We don't plan our trips to be there on double point days.
The FPSDB and .25% cb/fp provides a fair bet but won't pay the stipulated $400 airfare. OTOH, the joint provides a free shuttle to/from the airport.

Our bi-monthly trips from the east coast are presently focused on Main Street Station (FPDB, $200 free play.and scratch cards). My wife likes MSS rooms and getting the silver card. Laughlin Aquarius (FPDB progressive, $300 FP and food comp'd Outback,  Cafe and Buffet). My wife likes the room which has a separate bedroom.
LVH $400 FP but have to play 99% games. My wife likes the Lanai rooms we get. Then we will end our trip at SP. We will check-in and I will return the car alone and take the public bus back to SP from the car rental center. Shuttle brings us to the airport when we leave.
SP has taken the place of GVR as no longer welcome there. CET or MGM properties are way down the scale of fair bet joints. Forghat about it!

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Re: [vpFREE] Positive ev at the big two

 

South Point has a policy about not comping winning players.
From: James Mcgrath <azkidsheleen@yahoo.com>
To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 9:40:56 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Positive ev at the big two

 
Hi folks, long time listener, first time caller.  Apologies for what may become a long rambling post.

If you're playing that kind of money and you don't want to be in a Boyd property, try a stay at South Point.  It is a newer, beautiful, casino and I have been treated well there.  Sam's Town is my base casino but only because I've been going there since the 70's.  South Point is much younger.  Good luck


On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 5:33 PM, "fhbarneb@yahoo.com" <fhbarneb@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Hi folks, long time listener, first time caller.  Apologies for what may become a long rambling post.
First off, vp is a hobby for me.  It is something I can spend an infinite amount of time on (practicing, strategizing, actually gambling, etc. . .) with a positive correlation to the amount of enjoyment I get out of it.  I live on the east coast in the bible belt, so the closest casino is about 5 hours away.  My goal when on a gambling trip is not to pay the rent, but to at least have a 0 balance on the books when I've completed a gambling trip (with variance, that doesn't happen most of the time, but at least you can calculate that you are playing a positive game when you take into account all the variables).  When accounting for all those variables, I take into account the cost of the flight, usually to Vegas, hotel room, and food.  With the opportunities in downtown Vegas, it is pretty easy to break even on paper.  However, this is supposed to be fun, so a little change in the routine would be nice.  I have a decent job, so I consider my bankroll as infinite, and I am comfortable playing at the $1 level, and maybe if I am feeling really frisky, I'll risk a $2 or $5 machine.   
Obviously playing at CET properties expands my possibilities throughout the US, and MGM properties gives more opportunities in Vegas.  However, about all I can glean from message boards is how bad the comps at these properties are becoming and how it was so much better a couple of years ago.  My questions are:
1)  Simply, accounting for freeplay and cashback to offset loses at a -ev game, is it possible to have a +ev at a CET property?  How about a MGM property?  I realize that there are alot of variables to this question (adts, time on machine) that could lead to many answers, but just knowing +ev is possible would make it worth a try.  I know some people like to keep their plays to themselves (and that's OK), but examples would be nice.
2)  How large is the variance in the amount of freeplay given at CET properties nationwide?  E.g. will the same amount of play on a similar machine lead to the same amount of freeplay offers (at the respective properties) at Planet Hollywood vs. Harrah's Tunica. 
3)  If one expands on question #1 and takes into account other comps (food, show tickets, free stuff, etc. . .) does the play at MGM or CET properties become positive?  For this question, I don't include hotels as to me, this is easy enough to get.  Can one achieve returns large enough to offset airfare (let's say $400).
4)  Does anyone have experience with junkets to CET properties (or others) and how easy is it to get free trips?
Thanks in advance for the conversations.  Questions clarifying anything is appreciated. 
 




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[vpFREE] RE: Positive ev at the big two

 



I don't think there's a positive expectation at CET vegas properties unless you are playing on "special" days or get significant FP. Your best bet is to rent a car and expand horizons. Go to VPFREE2 and query the data base for vegas and laughlin.
Break a leg.
---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <fhbarneb@...> wrote :

Hi folks, long time listener, first time caller.  Apologies for what may become a long rambling post.
First off, vp is a hobby for me.  It is something I can spend an infinite amount of time on (practicing, strategizing, actually gambling, etc. . .) with a positive correlation to the amount of enjoyment I get out of it.  I live on the east coast in the bible belt, so the closest casino is about 5 hours away.  My goal when on a gambling trip is not to pay the rent, but to at least have a 0 balance on the books when I've completed a gambling trip (with variance, that doesn't happen most of the time, but at least you can calculate that you are playing a positive game when you take into account all the variables).  When accounting for all those variables, I take into account the cost of the flight, usually to Vegas, hotel room, and food.  With the opportunities in downtown Vegas, it is pretty easy to break even on paper.  However, this is supposed to be fun, so a little change in the routine would be nice.  I have a decent job, so I consider my bankroll as infinite, and I am comfortable playing at the $1 level, and maybe if I am feeling really frisky, I'll risk a $2 or $5 machine.   
Obviously playing at CET properties expands my possibilities throughout the US, and MGM properties gives more opportunities in Vegas.  However, about all I can glean from message boards is how bad the comps at these properties are becoming and how it was so much better a couple of years ago.  My questions are:
1)  Simply, accounting for freeplay and cashback to offset loses at a -ev game, is it possible to have a +ev at a CET property?  How about a MGM property?  I realize that there are alot of variables to this question (adts, time on machine) that could lead to many answers, but just knowing +ev is possible would make it worth a try.  I know some people like to keep their plays to themselves (and that's OK), but examples would be nice.
2)  How large is the variance in the amount of freeplay given at CET properties nationwide?  E.g. will the same amount of play on a similar machine lead to the same amount of freeplay offers (at the respective properties) at Planet Hollywood vs. Harrah's Tunica. 
3)  If one expands on question #1 and takes into account other comps (food, show tickets, free stuff, etc. . .) does the play at MGM or CET properties become positive?  For this question, I don't include hotels as to me, this is easy enough to get.  Can one achieve returns large enough to offset airfare (let's say $400).
4)  Does anyone have experience with junkets to CET properties (or others) and how easy is it to get free trips?
Thanks in advance for the conversations.  Questions clarifying anything is appreciated. 
 

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Re: [vpFREE] Positive ev at the big two

 

Hi folks, long time listener, first time caller.  Apologies for what may become a long rambling post.

If you're playing that kind of money and you don't want to be in a Boyd property, try a stay at South Point.  It is a newer, beautiful, casino and I have been treated well there.  Sam's Town is my base casino but only because I've been going there since the 70's.  South Point is much younger.  Good luck


On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 5:33 PM, "fhbarneb@yahoo.com" <fhbarneb@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Hi folks, long time listener, first time caller.  Apologies for what may become a long rambling post.
First off, vp is a hobby for me.  It is something I can spend an infinite amount of time on (practicing, strategizing, actually gambling, etc. . .) with a positive correlation to the amount of enjoyment I get out of it.  I live on the east coast in the bible belt, so the closest casino is about 5 hours away.  My goal when on a gambling trip is not to pay the rent, but to at least have a 0 balance on the books when I've completed a gambling trip (with variance, that doesn't happen most of the time, but at least you can calculate that you are playing a positive game when you take into account all the variables).  When accounting for all those variables, I take into account the cost of the flight, usually to Vegas, hotel room, and food.  With the opportunities in downtown Vegas, it is pretty easy to break even on paper.  However, this is supposed to be fun, so a little change in the routine would be nice.  I have a decent job, so I consider my bankroll as infinite, and I am comfortable playing at the $1 level, and maybe if I am feeling really frisky, I'll risk a $2 or $5 machine.   
Obviously playing at CET properties expands my possibilities throughout the US, and MGM properties gives more opportunities in Vegas.  However, about all I can glean from message boards is how bad the comps at these properties are becoming and how it was so much better a couple of years ago.  My questions are:
1)  Simply, accounting for freeplay and cashback to offset loses at a -ev game, is it possible to have a +ev at a CET property?  How about a MGM property?  I realize that there are alot of variables to this question (adts, time on machine) that could lead to many answers, but just knowing +ev is possible would make it worth a try.  I know some people like to keep their plays to themselves (and that's OK), but examples would be nice.
2)  How large is the variance in the amount of freeplay given at CET properties nationwide?  E.g. will the same amount of play on a similar machine lead to the same amount of freeplay offers (at the respective properties) at Planet Hollywood vs. Harrah's Tunica. 
3)  If one expands on question #1 and takes into account other comps (food, show tickets, free stuff, etc. . .) does the play at MGM or CET properties become positive?  For this question, I don't include hotels as to me, this is easy enough to get.  Can one achieve returns large enough to offset airfare (let's say $400).
4)  Does anyone have experience with junkets to CET properties (or others) and how easy is it to get free trips?
Thanks in advance for the conversations.  Questions clarifying anything is appreciated. 
 


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Re: [vpFREE] Beatles/Cirque Love show question for those who've seen it XVP

 

Saw it. 1st row. Not good.  Need to be up and back a bit to appreciate the show.
 
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 12:25 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Beatles/Cirque Love show question for those who've seen it XVP
 
 

Is front row ideal for this show - or is it like most CDS shows where up a bit is better?
 
Choices seem to be section 101 - row A versus 203 row O.  The latter is less expensive, but that is not really the issue.  For those who have seen it - which do you think is a better view? 
 
Many thanks,
Bill

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[vpFREE] Positive ev at the big two

 

Hi folks, long time listener, first time caller.  Apologies for what may become a long rambling post.
First off, vp is a hobby for me.  It is something I can spend an infinite amount of time on (practicing, strategizing, actually gambling, etc. . .) with a positive correlation to the amount of enjoyment I get out of it.  I live on the east coast in the bible belt, so the closest casino is about 5 hours away.  My goal when on a gambling trip is not to pay the rent, but to at least have a 0 balance on the books when I've completed a gambling trip (with variance, that doesn't happen most of the time, but at least you can calculate that you are playing a positive game when you take into account all the variables).  When accounting for all those variables, I take into account the cost of the flight, usually to Vegas, hotel room, and food.  With the opportunities in downtown Vegas, it is pretty easy to break even on paper.  However, this is supposed to be fun, so a little change in the routine would be nice.  I have a decent job, so I consider my bankroll as infinite, and I am comfortable playing at the $1 level, and maybe if I am feeling really frisky, I'll risk a $2 or $5 machine.   
Obviously playing at CET properties expands my possibilities throughout the US, and MGM properties gives more opportunities in Vegas.  However, about all I can glean from message boards is how bad the comps at these properties are becoming and how it was so much better a couple of years ago.  My questions are:
1)  Simply, accounting for freeplay and cashback to offset loses at a -ev game, is it possible to have a +ev at a CET property?  How about a MGM property?  I realize that there are alot of variables to this question (adts, time on machine) that could lead to many answers, but just knowing +ev is possible would make it worth a try.  I know some people like to keep their plays to themselves (and that's OK), but examples would be nice.
2)  How large is the variance in the amount of freeplay given at CET properties nationwide?  E.g. will the same amount of play on a similar machine lead to the same amount of freeplay offers (at the respective properties) at Planet Hollywood vs. Harrah's Tunica. 
3)  If one expands on question #1 and takes into account other comps (food, show tickets, free stuff, etc. . .) does the play at MGM or CET properties become positive?  For this question, I don't include hotels as to me, this is easy enough to get.  Can one achieve returns large enough to offset airfare (let's say $400).
4)  Does anyone have experience with junkets to CET properties (or others) and how easy is it to get free trips?
Thanks in advance for the conversations.  Questions clarifying anything is appreciated. 
 

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[vpFREE] RE: Caesars Vegas bonus free play

 

From my experience, those will probably stop for you after a few months, but it's nice while it lasts. I was getting an extra $500 on the average every 2 weeks for about three months, and then they stopped despite my playing with the same frequency (about 3 or 4 times a month, expecting to hit a dozen or two dozen taxables every trip).  Really don't know what triggers them to start or stop coming, but the wording certainly makes it sound like taxables are one component.

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[vpFREE] Caesars Vegas bonus free play

 

Does anyone know exactly what triggers the Caesars Vegas properties "congratulations you've won a jackpot" bonus free play mailings? We've been playing a lot more at Caesars pAlace and a few other Vegas properties lately, and now in addition to the Vegas locals "privileges" booklets with free play and food coupons, we are getting these additional mailers, and they are a nice bonus. Just got one for $500 for me and $200 for my hubby, good til 3/22. That's a lot of extra free play. While it says "congratulations for your jackpot" as the only clue as to why we are getting this, I was the only W2G recipient. However my husbands card was in the machine for a couple of W2s, so if that is the trigger, that could be why. But exactly what correlation eludes me - could it be $50 per W2 received or $10 per jackpot over $1000 or what? And is it for play back in December or jan. Or ???

All I can say is that it seems mailers have improved a lot in the last couple months over what they used to be for Caesars Vegas properties. With these extra mailers, the privileges booklet, and regular offers for free play or gift cards and tournaments, etc., plus ordinary benefits, Caesars is finally competing well with "locals" Vegas casinos. Also they are catching up with other Caesars properties from around the country which used to give us far better offers than Vegas properties for the same play. Of course the VP schedules are pretty poor, but then pay tables at "locals" places have been getting worse too.

Well if anyone has ideas on exactly what triggers these bonus mailers, please let me know.

And I'm glad I can finally get just as much in bonuses by staying at home (Vegas) and playing, instead of flying to Biloxi or Tahoe etc. from Caesars.

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Re: [vpFREE] Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 28 FEB 2014

 

So Casino Royale now requires $3K coin in to get the good coupon sheet?  I know it use to be much less.  Did the players club tell you that this?  Good info.

How are you calculating the .375% in freeplay - slow play until the wheel gives you a 100 x multiplier?


On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:27 AM, <greeklandjohnny@aol.com> wrote:
 

True, Casino Royale is not the must stop it used to be. It is still a decent play for a low roller, though.

 

By being a little patient, you should be able to get at least .375% in freeplay. Running $3,000 through ( to generate $10) in freeplay on 7/5 bonus will cost you about $60. That should get you on the mailers for rooms and the coupon sheet. Playing with coupon sheet is positive after the initial play, you should be playing a slightly positive play and have a couple room nights at center strip every month. I consider that worthy of inclusion on Scot's list.


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RE: [vpFREE] Tuscany

 

I doubt the discount would be good on bottled alcohol, packaged food items or tobacco products?

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Queen of Comps
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:08 AM
To: vpFREE
Subject: [vpFREE] Tuscany

20% Senior discount for food is for dine-in only, not for take-out. Also isn't eligible for magazines sales in gift shop. Only exceptions I know of. Has anyone found any more?

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