[vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Backrooms and Trespasses 86 year old Great Grandmother

 

I'm in awe.

86 year old Great Grandmother barred at McHarra$$ monopoly at craps table for expert dice setting. Call the media, that would make a great headline.. also standing room only for your craps classes.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "carter561@..." <carter561@...> wrote:
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> No, I'm not kidding. This afternoon six security personnel surrounded my Mother and me at a mid-continent Harrah's property, escorted us to a back room and read us a trespass statement. It was comprehensive for all 31 Caesar's Entertainment properties.
>
> The reason for me was "Total Rewards violation, running multiple accounts", apparently because my spouse and I play on each others' cards. I also play for my Mother occasionally due to her arthritis. In addition to that, in the last two months I had given 1 hour video poker lessons to our neighbor and her son (a total of four lessons each). In those lessons, I pushed the buttons while explaining the holds. Their slot cards were in the machines. I also coached the neighbors at our favorite game, Craps.
>
> No reason was given for my Mother's trespass.
>
> My spouse, who was not present, was trespassed in absentia, also without any explanation.
>
> Yes, there is more to the story. During those months, we were all earning entries to drawings, and we were all called in those drawings 2-4 times each out of about 100 total pulls. It was not disproportionate, but the neighbor's son and my Mom each happened to win a grand prize.
>
> Although I could be accused of a degree of poor judgement for involving the neighbors, I think this action is outrageously out of proportion to the offense. For the action to be taken without any warning or indication that there was a problem, on customer with 16 years of loyalty at the property seems to me to be just ludicrous! Finally, for a clearly local matter to contaminate our good name at properties across the country is just crazy. It seems obvious to me that we would not take our neighbors with us to Vegas or Tahoe.
>
> I'd like to see the press pick this up and the responsible party at Harrah's Tunica be publicly embarrassed. I was mortified to come up to my Mother at the Craps table, surrounded by security guards as if I were a dangerous criminal, ask her to color up, and help her into her wheelchair, explaining to the pit boss who knows us well that we were being kicked out.
>
> I suppose I'm asking for a lot of harsh words, but I wonder what you think.
>

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[vpFREE] Harrah's Backrooms and Trespasses 86 year old Great Grandmother

 

No, I'm not kidding. This afternoon six security personnel surrounded my Mother and me at a mid-continent Harrah's property, escorted us to a back room and read us a trespass statement. It was comprehensive for all 31 Caesar's Entertainment properties.

The reason for me was "Total Rewards violation, running multiple accounts", apparently because my spouse and I play on each others' cards. I also play for my Mother occasionally due to her arthritis. In addition to that, in the last two months I had given 1 hour video poker lessons to our neighbor and her son (a total of four lessons each). In those lessons, I pushed the buttons while explaining the holds. Their slot cards were in the machines. I also coached the neighbors at our favorite game, Craps.

No reason was given for my Mother's trespass.

My spouse, who was not present, was trespassed in absentia, also without any explanation.

Yes, there is more to the story. During those months, we were all earning entries to drawings, and we were all called in those drawings 2-4 times each out of about 100 total pulls. It was not disproportionate, but the neighbor's son and my Mom each happened to win a grand prize.

Although I could be accused of a degree of poor judgement for involving the neighbors, I think this action is outrageously out of proportion to the offense. For the action to be taken without any warning or indication that there was a problem, on customer with 16 years of loyalty at the property seems to me to be just ludicrous! Finally, for a clearly local matter to contaminate our good name at properties across the country is just crazy. It seems obvious to me that we would not take our neighbors with us to Vegas or Tahoe.

I'd like to see the press pick this up and the responsible party at Harrah's Tunica be publicly embarrassed. I was mortified to come up to my Mother at the Craps table, surrounded by security guards as if I were a dangerous criminal, ask her to color up, and help her into her wheelchair, explaining to the pit boss who knows us well that we were being kicked out.

I suppose I'm asking for a lot of harsh words, but I wonder what you think.

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 23 AUG 2011

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@...> wrote:
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> A few days ago, the individual progressives were $1,800+, $1,800+, >and $1,400+. But, I have seen them over $2,000 regularly.
>
> The dealt progressive was $9,600+ at the time I was playing a few >days ago. It hits fairly often. And, I've seen it over $25,000.
>
> I don't know what these amounts actually add to the 0.99 payback
> percentage. But, it seems to me that this play is often over 100%.
>
> BTW, there are two banks of ten machines (in each bank) with this >same game. Each bank has its own progressives. So, when one bank >of machines has lower progressives, I will play on the other bank of >machines.
>
> Maybe - according to Bob Dancer - there is more to a play being
> 'intelligent' than just having over 100% payback.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Dave <haaljo@...> wrote:
>
>
With the numbers you give it looks like a pretty good little play. The meters look to be fairly strong. I'd want to clock those meters though to see just how fast they are. I'd also want to verify that none of the quads have been chopped. Sometimes, on a bank like this, the generic quads could be chopped from 50 to 1 to 40 to 1. But for now I'm gonna go on the game being 9/7 Double Bonus.

I'll leave off the flopped royal for now. Just add the 3 royals together then divide be 3. Breakeven on 9/7 single line would be a $1441 royal. Breakeven on triple line would be an average royal of $1441. With the numbers you give the average royal is $1667. (1800+1800+1400=5000 divided by 3 = $1667).

Average royal of $1441 is breakeven but I think I would have to have a bare minimum average royal of $1600. I like that number as a bare minimum because the strategy per that number puts all the 3-card royals playing over all the high pairs (including Aces) and the 3-card flushes. This simplifies the strategy.

Average royal of $1600 puts the game at 100.37%. Then there is the flopped royal addon. To figure that out we have to do a couple of things. Let's say the 3 royals total to $4800 and the flopped royal pays $10,000. We have to subtract the $4800 from the $10,000 to get $5200. Then we have to multiply the flopped royal frequency (649,740) by the bet($3.75) to get $2,436,525. Then we divide $5200 by $2,436,525 to get .21%. Then we add the .21% to 100.37% to get 100.58%. Just remember that extra couple of tenths is long long term. If I were playing this bank alot I would just consider it a long term freeroll.

Theres a lot of variables in factoring in the meters. For starters I would only factor in one. Let's say the single line meters are traveling at .5%. Can I add the whole .5% to the play? The only way I could do that is if I played only when the bank is full of players. I think I would have to shave a couple tenths off it for the times I get snapped off when the meters get way high and the bank fills up.

The truth is, if I were gonna prey on this bank, I would have to do a lot more homework, breakpoints and all that stuff.

A strategy predicated on a $1600 royal puts the royal odds right at 34,000.

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[vpFREE] Re: Rampart Casino alert

 

> "Steven Del Nero" <artcontrol@...> wrote:
>
> Who knows -- supposedly Michael Gaughan, Jr.
> is working for them now -- maybe the paytables will be
> improved (yeah, sure!!)

> cal withers <crabbycal@...> wrote:
>
> I just received a survey from Terrible's and it was
> from no other than Michael Gaughan, Jr.
> Is this the son or farther? Looks like
> Gaughan's company is expanding to take over other casino
> gaming operations. We like South Point and as far as
> I know, payables have not changed there so maybe it will
> rub off and apply them at other casino's. Have I
> got this right?

Michael Gaughan, Sr. owns the South Point. His son is Michael Gaughan, Jr. (And Jackie Gaughan is the grandfather who used to own the El Cortez.)

I'm wondering if Michael Gaughan, Jr. is now associated with Affinity Gaming because they own Terrible's Casinos. And Affinity Gaming is advising the owners of the Rampart Casino who are taking over management of the casino after Cannery Casino Resort's contract expires next year.

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 23 AUG 2011

 

I've only seen the .25 cent bank by the buffet. Is there another .25 bank? Where? Thanks, Pat

From: Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@gmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 23 AUG 2011

 
A few days ago, the individual progressives were $1,800+, $1,800+, and
$1,400+. But, I have seen them over $2,000 regularly.

The dealt progressive was $9,600+ at the time I was playing a few days ago.
It hits fairly often. And, I've seen it over $25,000.

I don't know what these amounts actually add to the 0.99 payback
percentage. But, it seems to me that this play is often over 100%.

BTW, there are two banks of ten machines (in each bank) with this same
game. Each bank has its own progressives. So, when one bank of machines
has lower progressives, I will play on the other bank of machines.

Maybe - according to Bob Dancer - there is more to a play being
'intelligent' than just having over 100% payback.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Dave <haaljo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "...> After adding the slot club and the progressives for the various
> royals,
> > can't this be considered an intelligent play?..."
>
> Most of the time no but sometimes it is. What are the 4 royals at nowadays?
> I remember when the dealt royal was hit and it was mentioned on this board.
> Maybe three years ago?

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[vpFREE] Re: Chicken versus gambler question posed on GWAE

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
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> I'd take the sure thing $1500 & stop off at the store for some nice chicken to BBQ, because I don't need to be gambling on everything that comes my way.
>

Chicken is cheap, why not some prime steaks from the butcher store? :)

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 23 AUG 2011

 

A few days ago, the individual progressives were $1,800+, $1,800+, and
$1,400+. But, I have seen them over $2,000 regularly.

The dealt progressive was $9,600+ at the time I was playing a few days ago.
It hits fairly often. And, I've seen it over $25,000.

I don't know what these amounts actually add to the 0.99 payback
percentage. But, it seems to me that this play is often over 100%.

BTW, there are two banks of ten machines (in each bank) with this same
game. Each bank has its own progressives. So, when one bank of machines
has lower progressives, I will play on the other bank of machines.

Maybe - according to Bob Dancer - there is more to a play being
'intelligent' than just having over 100% payback.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Dave <haaljo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "...> After adding the slot club and the progressives for the various
> royals,
> > can't this be considered an intelligent play?..."
>
> Most of the time no but sometimes it is. What are the 4 royals at nowadays?
> I remember when the dealt royal was hit and it was mentioned on this board.
> Maybe three years ago?

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[vpFREE] Atlantic city casinos closing

 



Because of hurricane Irene.... Hope everyone is safe as this big storm comes up the East Coast.

A friend of mine lives in Brooklyn, but has bought a house here, not moving in full time yet, but he is very happy to stay some extra days in Vegas which he loves.

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[vpFREE] Re: Chicken versus gambler question posed on GWAE

 

I think what the person decides to do depends on how significant the
amount of money in question is to them. For example if the prize given was multiplied by one thousand and the prize offered was $1,500,000 instead of $1,500 and you could gamble and get between $123,000 and $3,210,000 then I am sure Bob's decision wouldn't be a no-brainer.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On last
> night's "Gambling with an Edge," I posed a question that Munchkin and
> I plan to address on the air next Thursday. This might well be a subject that's
> appropriate for discussion here. I don't intend to participate in this
> discussion other than setting it up --- although I will tell you where I stand
> on the issue --- but rather "save" my analysis for "on the air"
> next week.
>
>
>
> In
> September, the Palms Friday-Saturday drawings give the winners a choice. The
> winners can select a guaranteed $1,500, or they can play a game. In this game,
> there four envelopes with a 0, 1, 2, 3 inside in some order. Players arrange
> the envelopes (not knowing what's inside), and then read off the number in
> dollars. The greatest amount you can win is $3,210 and the smallest is $123.
>
>
>
> The average
> (mean) of the equally-likely choices is $1,666.50. The average (median) of the
> choices is anything between $1,320 and $2,013, including, of course, the
> fallback prize of $1,500.
>
>
>
> What we
> call EV (or ER) in video poker is $1,666.50 --- if we're willing to
> "gamble." You could give up about 10% of that, chicken out, and keep the $1,500
> with no gamble.
>
>
>
> To me this
> is a no-brainer. I'd go for the higher-EV option 100% of the time. I'd do it if
> the choice were $1,666.50 versus a guaranteed $1,650. This is not a close
> decision for me. I'm sure many players with chicken out and keep the $1,500.
>
>
>
> What would
> you do? And why?
>
>
>
> I don't
> think there are any "cash versus free play" differences between the
> two choices. Even if there are in the casino, let's ignore them for the sake of
> this discussion.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
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[vpFREE] Re: Chicken versus gambler question posed on GWAE

 

I'd take the sure thing $1500 & stop off at the store for some nice chicken to BBQ, because I don't need to be gambling on everything that comes my way.

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[vpFREE] Re: Chicken versus gambler question posed on GWAE

 

I would do the exact same thing for the reasons you stated. However I think this is a question about the tradeoff between EV and variance, and more importantly risk aversion. I imagine the 166.50 in risk premium is too low for many people and that the would go for the guaranteed payout.

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[vpFREE] Re: paytables

 

I was surprised to see casino's in mexico have re-appeared.
Here's a youtube of the opening of playboy casino in Cancun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu4gT9SDzvo
(You have to watch a commercial b4 you see Carmen Electra and the 25 bunnies)

Flyertalk messageboard had a trip report describing it as a london style casino-(6 tables and a few slot machines) except this one is in a concrete box.

Our honeymoon was a month in mexico. Drove down the Pan-American Highway to Mexico City then up the Pacific Coast highway. I'd say 2,000 miles. Stayed at a former casino that had hot springs. We met an american heading back home with a car load of vanilla from Central America. He did that a few times a year. But maybe we were naive (35 years ago) so he might have been bringing in something else.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@...> wrote:
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> After you factor in the cash back, the comps and the value of
> your life, the EV is far below 50%.
>  
> You're better off playing penny slots at Cactus Kate's.
>  
>
> At least there you get 80% and go home in a car
> and not in a bag.
>
> --- On Fri, 8/26/11, markhaslem <markhaslem@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: markhaslem <markhaslem@...>
> Subject: [vpFREE] paytables
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hey does anyone know what the VP paytables are for that Mexican Casino where 58 people got murdered in yesterday? Any good plays?
>
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[vpFREE] Chicken versus gambler question posed on GWAE

 



On last
night's "Gambling with an Edge," I posed a question that Munchkin and
I plan to address on the air next Thursday. This might well be a subject that's
appropriate for discussion here. I don't intend to participate in this
discussion other than setting it up --- although I will tell you where I stand
on the issue --- but rather "save" my analysis for "on the air"
next week.

In
September, the Palms Friday-Saturday drawings give the winners a choice. The
winners can select a guaranteed $1,500, or they can play a game. In this game,
there four envelopes with a 0, 1, 2, 3 inside in some order. Players arrange
the envelopes (not knowing what's inside), and then read off the number in
dollars. The greatest amount you can win is $3,210 and the smallest is $123.

The average
(mean) of the equally-likely choices is $1,666.50. The average (median) of the
choices is anything between $1,320 and $2,013, including, of course, the
fallback prize of $1,500.

What we
call EV (or ER) in video poker is $1,666.50 --- if we're willing to
"gamble." You could give up about 10% of that, chicken out, and keep the $1,500
with no gamble.

To me this
is a no-brainer. I'd go for the higher-EV option 100% of the time. I'd do it if
the choice were $1,666.50 versus a guaranteed $1,650. This is not a close
decision for me. I'm sure many players with chicken out and keep the $1,500.

What would
you do? And why?

I don't
think there are any "cash versus free play" differences between the
two choices. Even if there are in the casino, let's ignore them for the sake of
this discussion.

Bob



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