Hey Mike,
I don't post here much anymore, but I opened my vpFREE mail folder looking for something else and I happened to remember your handle from years ago, so let e give you the whole story. This is one of those single exception types to a formula that is strictly penalty card related. In 9-6 JOB, there is only one type of a specific hand that is greater than a 3 ROY hold, and the penalty card is also specific. The 3 ROY hold must consist of an ace and a ten and one other suited paint card, so that it is a three card royal, but only two of the cards are high cards. The penalty card that you must have in order for the 4 FLU hold to be higher, is a straight penalty to the only straight that you can complete on the draw if you don't hit a flush or a royal. It will be easy to spot, as it must be a face card. If you are using Winpoker and click on analyze, and then any hand, when you enter all the cards, it should give you the proper hold for a max bet hand. In your example, Ac, Kc,4cTc, and 7h, the 3 ROY would be the superior hold as the 7h is not a penalty card to a T-K straight. Run the same hand and trade the 7h and use a Jh instead, and now you will see the exception as the 4 FLU is now the better hold, as the jack is definitely a straight penalty to a T-A straight, the only one that can be filled on a draw. On such a close play, when you decide to hold the 3 ROY, it becomes a miniscule error because you are tossing the off suit jack which will now no longer be available to fill a straight on the draw. Please don't lose any sleep over this as if you are playing for dollars and decide to shoot for the big one, it will only cost you a little more than three and three quarter cents, and playing the quarter game , the cost is slightly less than a penny. Some of the paid gurus that might be reading this now are popping a vein in their collective necks, but if you are a recreational or vacation player, go ahead and try for the big one, hold, hit, and hope, just like the rest of us do. As I am thinking on this, I may have supplied a chart to the administrator to put in the files section. I am not going to look, as it it use to irritate me when I went there, as every single file that I have ever submtited and was put in the files section, the administrator did not show me as the contributor of the information, but just listed it as being supplied by vpFREE. I no longer speak to him as I have better uses for my time. Way TMI, but instead of checking, I am just going to paste the little chart that I made some years back that some players may derive a benefit from When I was schooling my better half on two similar games, 9-6 JOB and 8-5 BP, there were many days that we would wind up playing both games on the same day, so I tried to make a complete chart that would show the subtle differences in both of these games that I made a pocket sized copy that she could quickly review when switching to the new game. First, for ease of reading, I do not use S for suited. I was always fearful of going that route when trying to help a novice player, as the single letter can be misconstrued to mean the spades suit. This became more of a problem when a friend and I were working quite a lot on strategies for one eyed jacks are wild ( are you still around, shadowman?). Anyway, since one of the wild jacks was the spades, I got used to the s abbreviation for that. I just use ( ) to indicate suited cards. For example, if I show (TJ) > JQ on a chart, I am saying that suited TJ is greater than unsuited JQ. Now there are occasions, like in 7-5 SAB prog. that I may show at a certain royal amount—TJ > 568. If you would see no ( ) on either one of these, that would indicate that both sides are suited, albeit not with each other. I'm not a big fan or the use of the i for gaps either. I just state the number of gaps as I am not that hard up for space. When I see 0i, 1i, and 2i, it starts to look like a foreign language. Don't even go to the 3i. That is an alien from a horror movie anyway. Besides, we have done enough damage to the English language in recent years by using a three or four letter abbreviation for far too many things that I cant remember. Not a week goes by that we watch one of the cop dramas and the M.E.( I know that one, medical examiner) spews out something that I have to back up the D.VR. (see what I mean!!!) to play it again to figure out what the hell they were trying to say. Anyway, I am pasting my little chart here and hope it may help a few of you novice players on the differences between jacks and bonus poker. Hey, besides that, it's free. I'm an old tarheel formerly from Rocky Mount and I ain't got no product to promote or nothing to upgrade you to anyway. I have underlined the one hand listing that is this discussion, the next to the last entry on my chart. I am old school when it comes to learning and memory. I use the S.I., S.I, R.I., W.I. method. OK, now I'm just yankin yur chain. That would be se it, say it, read it, write it. The more you can do these the better it will stay in your mind
Nudge
9-6 JOB VS 8-5 BP
IN JOB 3 STFL OPEN 0 HI > ANY 2
CARD ROYAL
IN JOB (8JQ), (9JK), (9QK), > AKQJ--IN
BP, ONLY (8JQ) IS > AKQJ
IN JOB (TJ) w ANY ST PEN & NO FLU
PEN > JK--IN BP (TJ) w 7 ST PEN
ONLY & NO FLU PEN IS > JK
IN JOB (TJ) EVEN w ST & FLU PEN
IS > JA--IN BP JA IS > (TJ)
IN JOB (TQ) w ANY ST PEN & NO FLU
PEN > QA--IN BP QA IS > (TQ)
w OR w/o ANY PEN
IN JOB 3 STFL 1 HI 2 GAPS & 0 HI 1
GAP > JQ > (TJ) & IN BP
JQ > (TJ) > 3 STFL 1 HI 2 GAPS & 0
HI 1 GAP *
*- EXCEPT (7TJ) > (TJ)
IN JOB 3 BYC. STFL w ACE > JQ --IN BP
JQ > 3 BYC. STFL w ACE
IN JOB (78J) > JQK-- IN BP JQK > (78J)
IN JOB (JQ) > (JQ)KA w NO 9 ST PEN
or FLU PEN--IN BP (JQ)KA IS
ALWAYS > (JQ)
IN JOB KT w FLU PEN > K ONLY IF NO
9 ST PENALTY--IN BP K IS
ALWAYS > KT w FLU PEN
IN JOB 4 FLU w 3 ROY, 2 HI w T & A +
ST PEN > 3 ROY-- IN BP 3 ROY, 2 HI
w T & A + ST PEN > 4 FLU
IN JOB (234), (235), & (245) IS > Ace & IN
BP Ace IS BETTER EXC w a 7-T FLU
PEN TO Ace
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:24 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Proper hold JOB 3 card royal vs. 4 card flush?????
I've been playing full pay JOB for years ever since I learned the intermediate strategy. I was always under the impression that a 3 card royal was higher than a 4 card flush in MOST situations. However.... when I put in a few hands into Winpoker, it always comes out with the 4 card flush being higher than the 3 card royal!!
Example.......if I put in A clubs, King clubs, 10 clubs, 4 clubs, and 7 hearts......Winpoker shows the 4 card flush to be much higher than the 3 card royal..... with the 4 card flush earning 1.27 coin return to 0.77 coin return for the 3 card royal. It comes up this way with most any different 3 card royal cards....
I know I have to be missing something simple here. Can anyone set me straight????
Thanks,
Mike
