Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me. That was really interesting. And with that, I can assume there is a lot more to know also.
thank you
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You need the "key chip" to make any changes to the denominations, games, or percent (paytable). Note, you can only select the percent and you get the corresponding paytable. You can't make up your own paytable.
You still need the key chip if you want to just make a few game changes. If you ever want to get a GameKing try and get a Key Chip. It should be stored in the black conductive foam material to prevent static from damaging it.
Also put the main computer chip in the foam and make sure you are grounded to the machine. Swapping chips is done with the machine off.
While you are changing things, you need to have it planned out. If you wait too long between selections, you will loose all your changes and it will return back to what it was. You will need to start over.
I chose to have the 5c and 25c denominations with the same 12 fullpay games. For example, other denominations such as 50c and $1 have NSUD instead of FPDW.
My machine is not setup for progressives. I believe it may need to be linked to other machines with a cable and a central computer. After every 100 hands, there is a slight pause in the play. I believe the machine is trying to send data to the central computer.
My machine can not be setup for anything other than single line play. However, you can set it up for 5 coin or 10 coin play. You can also add the "double-up" feature.
My other machine is an IGT 5 game machine 25c with KBJW, DDB, DB, DD, and NB. I can not change much on it, just the hopper limit.
Both machines are slant tops and have bill acceptors and can drop quarters.
Don't hesitate to ask more questions...
Dennis
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bobbartop@yahoo.com wrote:
I have seen that file of which you speak many times. I think I have it saved on my hard drive somewhere too. Thanks for putting it up, it has been helpful to me.
So bare with me, let me ask you a newbie question. Be patient with me. Do you need that 40-pin thing to change the 12-game line up, or is that what you need to change part of the entire lineup?
Also, here's another question I have wondered about. Setting up progressives. Do all machines come "progressive-ready"? Is it easy to put a progressive up? Can you easily put them anywhere? Like a 3-way or 5-way progressive if you want? Or is that something that has to be done with a whole new chip?
I've just got to get me my own machine someday.
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Oh I see, it comes up on the screen. Gosh, sometimes I am so slow. lol I thought it came out on a printout. duh
What does the option "modify meters" mean? I don't suppose that is like progressive meters, is it?
I wish I had a machine so I'd have more of a clue. Or I wish there was a youtube video on this subject so I could see it in action.
Thank you for your reply, it does help. I still can't believe this Peppermill guy ran around to all those casinos doing this, and since 2011, without getting caught. Unbelievable. And he did have some stones. I would be scared to death to try to do that in a casino.
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I have seen that file of which you speak many times. I think I have it saved on my hard drive somewhere too. Thanks for putting it up, it has been helpful to me.
So bare with me, let me ask you a newbie question. Be patient with me. Do you need that 40-pin thing to change the 12-game line up, or is that what you need to change part of the entire lineup?
Also, here's another question I have wondered about. Setting up progressives. Do all machines come "progressive-ready"? Is it easy to put a progressive up? Can you easily put them anywhere? Like a 3-way or 5-way progressive if you want? Or is that something that has to be done with a whole new chip?
I've just got to get me my own machine someday.
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If you look in the vpfree files section, my excel file "GAMEKING.xls" (Game King Set up Options) list all of the games and percents available for my machine. I can have up to 12 different games per denominations. The denominations can range from 1c to $25. Picking a game and a percent selects the particular paytable for that game.
You need what is called a "key chip" to change the games, denominations, and percents for the paytable. The key chip is a 40 pin IC (Integrated Circuit) that you substitute for the computer chip when you want to make a change. I put in a ZIF (zero insertion force) socket so that I would not damage the 40 pin ICs when replacing them.
The "2341" key is nothing more than the slot attendant key. I have one for each of my machines and they are interchangeable.
Dennis
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When you turn the key on my machine a screen comes up with the following options and the light on top of the machine starts flashing. It's a touchpad screen and that's how you pick options.I have a round top machine with speakers on the sides of the front that look like ears.The key slot is on the right side about 1/3 of the way down.Accounting 14 optionsDiagnostics 7 optionsPlay History Must turn key again. Goes back more than 10 plays.Event Logs 10 optionsModify Meters Have to open door to modify.Sound Setup Adjust Machine volume.So, when you turn the key you have the 6 options above.If you touch Accounting the screen changes and you have 14 different accounting options.If you touch Diagnostics the screen changes and you have 7 different diagnostic options.Etc.Hope this helps.Glen----- Original Message -----From: bobbartop@yahoo.comSent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:50 PMSubject: Re: [vpFREE] Peppermill and the "2341 key"
This is very difficult for me to picture in my mind since I have never seen the process done. When you say it gives you pages of bookkeeping-type info, how does it do that? Does it print it out right there? I mean, what did this guy from the Peppermill have to do to gather this info? Presumably he did not just slyly stick a key into the back of the machine. Did he have to open the machine? Did he do it all by himself? I just can't picture this guy doing this right in front of God and everyone, including the casino surveillance department. The guy must have had balls.
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I recently purchased an IGT Game King Multi Game machine.It came with a 2341 reset key.The reset key gives you pages of bookkeeping type information.You can't change anything with it except to reset a handpay.
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----- Original Message -----From: bobbartop@yahoo.comSent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:50 PMSubject: Re: [vpFREE] Peppermill and the "2341 key"This is very difficult for me to picture in my mind since I have never seen the process done. When you say it gives you pages of bookkeeping-type info, how does it do that? Does it print it out right there? I mean, what did this guy from the Peppermill have to do to gather this info? Presumably he did not just slyly stick a key into the back of the machine. Did he have to open the machine? Did he do it all by himself? I just can't picture this guy doing this right in front of God and everyone, including the casino surveillance department. The guy must have had balls.
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I recently purchased an IGT Game King Multi Game machine.It came with a 2341 reset key.The reset key gives you pages of bookkeeping type information.You can't change anything with it except to reset a handpay.
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This was our first trip to Las Vegas in five years. What prompted us to go was a nice offer from Wynn for 3 free nights plus several hundred dollars in free play. We are definitely not high rollers & never played much at Wynn during our previous visits to Las Vegas, so we don’t know why we got the offer. Sue’s Diamond status at Caesars properties gave us another 4 free nights in Las Vegas which we were able to schedule back to back with the Wynn stay. Since we live in New Jersey & have casinos, the main attraction of Las Vegas for us is the variety of shows available & the winter weather.
For the Caesars part of the trip we chose to stay at the Rio Resort because it is off the Las Vegas Strip which tends to be less crowded & every room is a mini-suite with floor to ceiling windows. We found the Rio to Harrah’s free shuttle convenient when going to & from a Harrah’s show. We enjoyed the Rio with its very nice rooms & friendly staff. Sue’s Diamond card allowed us to use VIP Check-in (& free bottled water).
Wynn was beautiful. The room was spacious with a view of the golf course & waterfall from the 23rd floor. The room had nice central electronic controls: to open/close the curtains, turn on / dim / turn off the lights & control the nightlight under the bathroom sinks. The 2 large vases of red tulips at the bottom of the elevators were replaced daily; a nice touch. We enjoyed the Wynn with its very nice rooms & friendly staff.
Our son joined us from Denver for the middle part of this trip. He got free rooms at the Rio & then Flamingo.
Food is not a big item with us, but we did have a dinner at the Voodoo Steakhouse at the Rio. The steak was very good & the nighttime view from the 50th floor is very nice. We were able to use Sue’s $100 Diamond Renewal coupon to make the cost reasonable.
We saw four shows on this trip. We attended Le Reve at Wynn, but made it even better by taking the Backstage Tour. The tour was held at 4 PM & took about an hour. We had two guides who took us from below the pool level all the way up to the Low Grid level, about 60 feet above the pool. We met & talked to several of the backstage staff about their work and saw many of the props used in the show. The show started at 7 PM. We have seen several of the Cirque shows & this show was on a par with those; Le Reve most closely resembles “O” since it is water based. We enjoyed the show & having the Backstage Tour prior to the show added to the enjoyment.
Sue’s Caesars Diamond card entitled her to two free show tickets per month from a list provided at the Total Rewards Center. My Platinum card entitled me to Buy One Get One Free tickets from the same list. The Total Rewards Center issues you a voucher for the show you choose & you go to the corresponding casino to actually book the show & get the tickets.
The list of shows included Flamingo: Vinnie Favorito & Legends in Concert,
Harrah’s: Defending the Caveman, Improv, Mac King & Million Dollar Quartet
Paris: Eiffel Tower Experience
Quad: Jeff Civillico & Frank Marino’s Divas
Rio: Penn & Teller, XRock & MJ Live
With the two free tickets we saw Defending the Caveman at Harrah’s. It is a one man monologue about male/female relationships. Females in the audience reacted to some of the lines while males enjoyed other lines, but it was too slow for our tastes.
We also saw Jeff Civillico at the Quad using our Buy One Get One Free tickets. Jeff is a humorous juggler who gets the audience involved in his act. We thoroughly enjoyed this show.
The last show we saw was Terry Fator at the Mirage. We booked great seats online about a month before the trip. We both thoroughly enjoyed this show.
The highlight of the trip was a Segway tour of the Las Vegas Strip. We booked the tour with Segway of Las Vegas (segwaylasvegas.com). Bob Stevens (Segway Bob) met us at our hotel. He brought the Segways in his van. Sue & I had ridden a Segway once before in the Bahamas, but our adult son had not. After 5 to 10 minutes of training we were off. We started at 10 AM so the sidewalks weren’t overly crowded. We started at Wynn & went down the Strip to MGM where we crossed over to NY NY & proceeded to the Fashion Show Mall & back to Wynn. We stopped periodically for Segway Bob to give us some history or interesting facts about the area. The tour took about 2 hours. We were amazed that we went into elevators, on pedestrian overpasses, into shopping malls and even through one casino while on the Segways.
On the gambling side, we played mostly at the hotels we stayed in & the ones we visited for shows. That included Wynn, Rio, Flamingo, Harrah’s & Mirage. As expected, the video poker selection was limited with generally poor pay tables. On the last morning we played 2 hours at Palms & found the VP more to our liking.
Sue hit three Royal Flushes at Rio & came out well ahead. I did not. My best run was on a short pay Quick Quads Triple Play quarters at Rio. I hit 12 Quick Quads in about 2 hours, 2 of them dealt. But the law of averages caught up to me. I wish Four of a Royal paid something.
The biggest expense on the trip was the non-free shows. We could have gotten away a lot cheaper, but we were willing to splurge for the associated tours & great show seats. We used frequent flyer miles for our first class airfare & Total Reward credits for several meals & internet access, etc. at Caesars properties as well as Sue’s Diamond Renewal Coupon.
It was a very enjoyable trip & inexpensive trip.
From Bob B.
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I can confirm that the pay tables are down graded. There use to be many 99% machines now they are few and far between. As far as the casino claiming upgrades there are a lot more of the new bonus type games.
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