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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/video-poker-hacking-dismissed/

I don't know if it's possible to reclaim this thread title from the digression into my personal problems/shortcomings, but the above article is a follow-up to the original topic.

Bob



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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i

 

Funny...it seems to me you just commented.

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Bob describes his split from Shirley in characteristally pragmatic terms. I'm inclined to think the "back story" may be more dimensioned than what was related. Whatever the case I wouldn't presume to comment, other than to wish them the very best.

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[vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i

 

Bob describes his split from Shirley in characteristally pragmatic terms. I'm inclined to think the "back story" may be more dimensioned than what was related. Whatever the case I wouldn't presume to comment, other than to wish them the very best.

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 7 MAY 2013

 

What happen to that in sickness and in health line???

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
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> Another marriage broken up by casino second hand smoke.
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> google.com/search?q=second+hand+smoke
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[vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i

 

It was a hard story to read, a harder one to write and I am sure even more difficult to live through.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Reagan <ronald.reagan11@...> wrote:
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> Whatever happened to "...To have and to hold, in sickness and in health, for richer or for
> poorer, til death do us part"?
>  
> We have become a disposable society with just about everything. I am sure the Administrator will give me, Guru Perf and Rob Singer a red flag warning for our posts, but Bob Dancer let the genie out of the bottle.
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> From: GURU PERF <guruperf@...>
> To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i
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>  
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> Sounds like the words to a bad rap song:
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> "She don't gamble, she can't dance,
> She don't get no second chance!
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> Amen to your comments, Rob.
>
>  
> Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win. -Lazarus Long
> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
> There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
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> From: "mailto:rob.singer1111%40yahoo.com" <mailto:rob.singer1111%40yahoo.com>
> To: vpFREE <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i
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> This is disturbing. If my wife asked me to quit going to casinos due to her health concerns, out of love & respect I'd do it immediately.
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> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i
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> Sorry about Shirley and you Bob, I only know you through your auto book and articles. Glad you are doing well now.
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i

 

Whatever happened to "...To have and to hold, in sickness and in health, for richer or for
poorer, til death do us part"?
 
We have become a disposable society with just about everything. I am sure the Administrator will give me, Guru Perf and Rob Singer a red flag warning for our posts, but Bob Dancer let the genie out of the bottle.


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Sounds like the words to a bad rap song:

"She don't gamble, she can't dance,
She don't get no second chance!

Amen to your comments, Rob.

 
Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

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This is disturbing. If my wife asked me to quit going to casinos due to her health concerns, out of love & respect I'd do it immediately.

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Date: Wed, May 8, 2013 12:33 pm
Sorry about Shirley and you Bob, I only know you through your auto book and articles. Glad you are doing well now.

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[vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "leetcrowell2" <lee.crowell@...> wrote:
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> The question is- what would Mickey Crimm have done?
>
> Just my .02- Thanks, Lee.
>
It's hard to say if I would have crossed the line or not. That's some REAL BIG temptation to make a quick score. Any time I run into something that's in the grey area there is always the little guy on my right shoulder telling me not to do it, and the little guy on my left shoulder telling me damn the torpedoes. I've been involved in some grey areas before, but never a play that was absolutely across the line. I've always prided myself on not having to cheat to win. And the penalty, at the very least, for Mr. Kane, is he will be barred from every casino in the country. That is something I would never want to face.

But I can tell you absolutely for sure that Mr. Kane is a dumb crook.

When the guy stumbled onto the glitch he called a friend and informed him. I definitely would not have done that. You cannot be charged with conspiracy if you are not in cahoots with someone. And you are running the risk that your so called friend will expose the play to others.

And this is where Mr. Kane is an absolutly, positively, sure as hell, dumber than a rock crook. He took W2'G's!!! What an idiot!!! If he never took a W2-G he would still be putting the play down, and would probably be putting it down forever. The large jackpot amounts, in quick succession, caused the scrutiny by security.

He should have been turning $80 jackpots into $800 jackpots, not $800 jackpots into $8000 jackpots. He wouldn't have invested any more time doing it that way. It's a hell of a lot quicker to put an $80 jackpot on a machine than an $800 jackpot.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i

 

Sounds like the words to a bad rap song:

"She don't gamble, she can't dance,
She don't get no second chance!

Amen to your comments, Rob.

 
Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

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This is disturbing. If my wife asked me to quit going to casinos due to her health concerns, out of love & respect I'd do it immediately.

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Date: Wed, May 8, 2013 12:33 pm
Sorry about Shirley and you Bob, I only know you through your auto book and articles. Glad you are doing well now.

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[vpFREE] Re: 50% Back ($100 Max Rebate)

 

I've been pondering this question but without much success. If it were a 100% loss rebate, I would choose the highest denomination and highest variance game hoping for a big win. But with only a 50% loss rebate, I would be much more conservative, but that's probably obvious.

I saw a math heavy white paper about loss rebates on wizardofodds.com but I can't locate it now.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "maclarenv12" <ahduff@...> wrote:
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> One of the local clubs is offering a 50% rebate on your first $200 in slot losses on a particular day.
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> What is the optimal play?
> 1. $1 3-line 8/6 JOB
> 2. $5 single line 8/6 JOB
> 3. $5 Single line "airport 2's"   98.9%
> 4. $5 single line 9/6 DDB
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> What is the optimal "quit point" when ahead? 

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i

 

If the casinos had spent as much as the banks on having politicians craft laws protecting their industry as the banks - yes this would be the same situation, but casinos are not protected like banks.
He did not manipulate the game he found a pattern and used that. Is this cheating - I don't think so, but it is debatable.
Would anyone call this hypothetical story cheating:After being dealt a pair of red kings on job, threw them by accident. The next hand was a dealt 4ok. It turned out that about 1/3rd of the time after throwing a pair of red kings and only red kings that the next hand dealt on that machine regardless of changing denomination and game was a dealt 4ok. If you found that this was a universal pattern - is it cheating and would you exploit it whether you thought it was cheating or not?

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Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:57:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i

The guy cheated the casinos. His original bets would have never been able to win the amounts he took. If he had an error in his favor at his bank because of a computer glitch and took the money, he'd be required by law to return it. This is not taking advantage of a casino game like card counting is. And what kind of attorney would defend such a creep?

Prison awaits.



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[vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting F

 

Maybe your sentence should read:
There's a lot of hustlers that have made a whole lot more money off of this (until Nestor was busted) :-)

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, greeklandjohnny@... wrote:
>"...There's a lot of hustlers who
would have made a whole lot more money off of this..."
>
> There have been a couple instances like this where a 'programming bug' had undesireable results for the casino and machine manufacturer.
>
> IGT should be responsible for what they put out on the floor. It's possible this was just a mistake by their programmers. The fact that it requires a certain key sequence to activate the feature leads me to believe that it was intentionally put into the code ( or at least not corrected when discovered) . Only way to find out is go through the source code and see. I don't think IGT is going to make that information public.
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> There are a lot of reasons an individual ( or company) would do something like this. And you might think the player in this case has committed a crime, I'm more concerned with IGT being responsible for what product they put out in the field.
>
> If this guy wasn't a greedy moron, he could have run this play for a very long time. IGT should thank him for being so greedy. There's a lot of hustlers who would have made a whole lot more money off of this.
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[vpFREE] Re: wendover downgrades

 


Thats funny because for the first time in two years I'm getting free flights and rooms for 2. I am assuming the VBJ machines were gutted too. Nenapapa2001 do you know?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nenapapa2001" <nenapapa2001@...> wrote:
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> AFTER CHECKING THE THREE CASIONS THAT PARTICPAT IN THE WENDOVER FLIGHTS THEY ARE NOW A VP WASTELAND 95 TO 97%
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Check out DailyTech - Man May be Sent to Prison for Exploiting Firmware Bug i

 

This is disturbing. If my wife asked me to quit going to casinos due to her health concerns, out of love & respect I'd do it immediately.

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Date: Wed, May 8, 2013 12:33 pm
Sorry about Shirley and you Bob, I only know you through your auto book and articles. Glad you are doing well now.

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