[vpFREE] Re: Speed vs errors, was Stations no-mail

 

All true below, UNLESS the error has a reasonably high likelihood of being a really big one, instead of a small error. I usually try to pause to check for correct cards being held when drawing to a dealt hand of three of a kind (because it can make quads or a full house), 4 to a SF and 3 or 4 to a Royal - or ANY dealt pat hand.



Especially if the game has sticky buttons. I was once compelled to play a single-line $1 machine with sticky buttons and a $14,000 progressive. All the other machines in the 6-machine bank were in use. 


The sticky buttons made me mis-hold a pair more than once, but I was only slowing down to double check 3 or 4 to a Royal. I quickly held 3 Kings and drew, without double checking, to realize the third King didn't hold, and of course the fourth one came, giving me three Kings instead of four. Perhaps abandoning my usual slow-down was still worthwhile with such a high progressive, but it still was costly.

And for those who are wondering, the word was that the unusually high progressive had been set manually to use up excess promotional funds, and someone other than me hit the Royal within an hour or two.

--Barry
 
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    Posted by: "James Morgan" what7do7you7want@yahoo.com what7do7you7want
    Date: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:19 pm ((PDT))

Unless your error rate is VERY high or you are playing with a very low edge (under 0.5%) you will make MORE money playing fast even if you make more mistakes.  If you do something like remove your hands from the buttons to take a second look, your speed will probably go down by 30-50%.  But mistakes just don't cost that much.  Most errors that involve making the slightly wrong play cost well under $.50 on a dollar game.   So in an hour, your errors might add up to $2-$3, but probably not more.  But if the play is worth $25 an hour  (Such as a dollar game with 1000 hph and 0.5% total edge) and you decide to address errors in the manner suggested, you wind up with an actual edge of between $12.50 and $17.50 an hour.  But allowing the mistakes to happen still leaves you with $22 - $23 an hour.   Even a $5 an hour error rate is better than slowing down by 30%.
Optimization is rarely about perfection.  The same kinds of arguments can apply to the strategy one learns as well.  In a great many cases, the time required to look on your phone app to see the right play will cost MORE than the "error" of making the second best play.   Some folks also fatigue a lot more if the strategy they employ is too complex, which is about the surest way to create an unacceptably high error rate and may even cause you to play less despite having an edge, which clearly has a large impact on your daily expected value.


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[vpFREE] Re: Stations no-mails after Gaming complaint

 

James,


Do you normally find plays with more than 0.5% edge and no limit on how much action you can put through?  Congratulations if you have those or better plays available.  I have not found a play like that in a long time.  Almost all my advantage plays involve playing a specific amount based on free play generated and/or earning entries for promotions.  There is no need for speed so accuracy increases the profit.  I think the day when fast play generated more money is long gone for most of us.

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> On Jul 12, 2017, at 2:13 PM, nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> the fastest vp player in the world: Frank Kneeland. I think he was clocked at 3000 hands per hour or something like that and he claimed he never made a mistake.

Saying something doesn't necessarily mean it's true. He also claimed his VP team was polite and would give up their seats willingly to others. I never ran into a VP team that acted like that. Frank seems like a nice fellow but his claims often sound like embellishment and a romanticizing of the past.

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[vpFREE] Re: Stations no-mails after Gaming complaint

 

There's an experiment you can do, I haven't done it in a while so maybe someone else can fill in the details. I think all the major vp simulators can do it. What you do is shut off error reporting on each hand and instead have it log a session. Now play a hundred hands as fast as you possibly can, don't cheat yourself, just play fast and try not to spend any time thinking about each individual hand. At the end of a hundred hands, check your time and also check the error log and see how bad your error rate was. Repeat with another hundred hands and so on until you're completely burned out on vp. Maybe try a complicated game like All American (USA poker) or 2 pair or better joker poker. Try it with annoying teeny and boy band music playing loudly over cheap speakers like in a casino. Try it with alcohol. See how fast you can possibly go and also see if you can figure out the fastest speed where your error rate is reasonable. This exercise can also be used to improve your in-casino play rate, with enough practice you may be able to challenge the fastest vp player in the world: Frank Kneeland. I think he was clocked at 3000 hands per hour or something like that and he claimed he never made a mistake. When they used to have speed tournaments in Vegas, he won every one. He was also good at endurance tournaments, I think I remember him winning a 48 hour one once.

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Re: [vpFREE] Stations scratch cards

 

I didn't even bother to stop this last weekend but the three prizes I would have gotten were a free buffet, $3 freeplay and 1500 points.   The buffet would have been worth stopping for but I'm glad I didn't waste my time for the other two.  The buffet looked like it was good for any buffet including dinner or brunch.
 
In a message dated 7/12/2017 8:54:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

After getting 4K, 3K and 4K again in BP points the first weekend, I had higher hopes of a better result.


Started off with 15K BP which was excellent and worth the trip.  I actually drive past Fiesta Henderson everyday so it isn't out of my way.  Second day was a free gift which sucked.  Third day was a free gift again.  Talk about a bait and switch, 15K to a crappy $2 gift if it is even worth that.

I'm a solid Presidential level player for years which to me is a slap in the face.  

I'll try again this weekend.

Station Casino's....let me count the ways I hate thee...

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[vpFREE] Stations scratch cards

 

After getting 4K, 3K and 4K again in BP points the first weekend, I had higher hopes of a better result.


Started off with 15K BP which was excellent and worth the trip.  I actually drive past Fiesta Henderson everyday so it isn't out of my way.  Second day was a free gift which sucked.  Third day was a free gift again.  Talk about a bait and switch, 15K to a crappy $2 gift if it is even worth that.

I'm a solid Presidential level player for years which to me is a slap in the face.  

I'll try again this weekend.

Station Casino's....let me count the ways I hate thee...

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