[vpFREE] Re: Question re odds & progressives

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Nordo123@... wrote:
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> Valerie - a dealt royal in video poker occurs every 649740 deals. If all you're playing for is a dealt royal a payout of $3248700
> for $5 would be fair.


The above would be true if ALL other hands were losers.
Assumming no progressive for the undealt royal. Each $3248.70 (over the base $4,000) adds 0.1% to the EV of the base game. Thus you need to know what the normal value of the base game is. Ex: If the base game is 9-6 DDB that is a 98.98% game with a $4,000 royal. If it pays a bonus on the dealt royal, the total value of the dealt royal would have to be about $37136 to make it a 100% game. That does not count tax considerations. This site or vpgenius.com etc. lists the value of many games. I am assumming you do not have vp software like Video Poker for winners, Frugal Video Poker etc. that do these calculations.
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[vpFREE] Re: "BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure"

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, RWHANNU@... wrote:
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> >>I would, but it usually cost me $5000 to hit it and since I work, Nobama
> and my Governor won't give me any welfare checks I can cash in casinos!<<
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> Are refering to President Obama? And if you're working, why would you
> expect your Governor to give you a government handout to gamble?
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> Or are you just bitter about the whole thing?

HEll YES, I am bitter. You must be one of those that thinks people who work should pay taxes and support those that don't. What is that....oh, yeah spread the wealth.
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[vpFREE] Re: "BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure"

 

Ted,

Unfortunately, in real life cheating goes on all the time. You may not always be aware of it, but it is in your own interest to educate yourself. Where there is competion there is cheating. If you want to participate you should have a strategy for dealing with the type of cheating that you expect to encounter.

Casinos almost always have the advantage so why would they cheat when there is a big possible negative outcome if they get caught. But we know that sometimes they do even when the risk reward ratio indicates it is a stupid move.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@... wrote:
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> What you've posited sounds like a black-or-white situation. In real life,
> you don't see many of these situations. To relate it back to the casino
> environment, I would assume that the casinos rarely try to cheat the customer.
> This is real life. However, real life is pretty boring to watch & to talk
> about so that's why we get our kicks watching shows which showcase
> extremes-of-reality.
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> We can start an endless discussion to justify must-cheat-to-win or
> win-without-cheating but the important thing is to recognize what it does to you &
> how you value yourself & your friends. Your friends are a reflection of
> who you are. You can see through them how much of your soul you've sold.
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> In a message dated 3/6/2011 10:54:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:
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> _Re: "BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure" _
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> Posted by: "kcace1024" _cy4873@... _
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> _kcace1024 _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/kcace1024)
> Sun Mar 6, 2011 1:37 pm (PST)
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> Bruce,
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> Of course I have the desire to win without cheating, but let's dicuss how
> you would handle a real life situation. You are closely matched with an
> opponent, but you know your opponent is cheating and you know that unless you
> cheat to level the playing field you will lose. Do you cheat or just accept
> defeat. When you know you can beat someone even if they cheat and you
> don't, they probably know it too and there is no payoff for cheating.
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[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 7 MAR 2011

 

Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 7 MAR 2011

"Maybe It Is a War?"

http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=1045

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[vpFREE] Re: people 86ed at suncoast?

 

O.K. but localization is the way Atlantic City is going and I don't think Vegas wants to go there. When I talk to LV locals they are always so pleased visitors pay taxes up-the-gazoo. The smart ones also add that our money is appreciated :-)

Getting visitors to Sin City quickly and efficiently is important. That's going to take a big investment like Mag-Lev trains. You won't see that happening soon in Vegas (or Atlantic City).

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@... wrote:
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> What I meant was a larger "local" customer base. The future for LV is a
> shrinking or stagnant customer base as out-of-towners are siphoned off by
> casinos closer to where they live. In LV, the locals casinos can expand the
> absolute numbers of customers in their service area when competitors go out of
> business & stay out of business. Even so, the total number of locals in
> the market will continue to shrink as some customers won't make the trip due
> to convenience & others are hammered by the economy. Also, LV will
> continue to have a net outflow of residents for a while.
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> In a message dated 3/6/2011 10:54:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:
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> Posted by: "Dave" _haaljo@... _ (mailto:haaljo@...?Subject=
> Re:%20people%2086ed%20at%20suncoast?) _haaljo _
> (http://profiles.yahoo.com/haaljo)
> Sun Mar 6, 2011 6:08 pm (PST)
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> --- In _vpFREE@..._ (mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com) ,
> TedChee@ wrote:
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> > To break the death spiral in LV, they need a lot of casinos to go
> Chapter 7
> > so that the remaining casinos can split up a larger customer base
> > otherwise they will follow the no-profit path the airlines flew for a
> decade.
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> How is Nevada going to create a "larger customer base" with competition in
> almost every State? Just about the last major Country without casinos is
> Mexico. Maybe a Mag-Lev train from Mexico City?
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[vpFREE] Re: We Luv Locals

 

> "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@> wrote:
> The machines all have 12 games and at a quick
> glance I would say that at the 25c/50c/$1
> denomination all games are in the area of
> 99 - 99.8% return. Among the offerings are
> 9/6 JB, 8/5 BP, 9/6 DDB, 9/7 DB, 9/6 BPD,
> 9/5 SDB, 8/5 Aces Bonus, NSUD, etc.

> "gofastnismo" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:
> GVR has a bank of 3 machines with the same
> games and pay scales.

Anyone know where in GVR are these three machines?

Also, a long time ago GVR had a 50c progressive with 9/6 JoB and 8/5 BP on some uprights near Tides Oyster Bar. Anyone know if it's long gone or moved to a different location in the casino? Someone asked me about it.

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Re: [vpFREE] LVRJ: Total compensation for Caesars' Loveman tops $18 million

 

If there were justice in the universe, that would be paid in the form of a
"good-for-one-day-only" free play on December 31st, valid only either on penny
slots or one of his 96% VP nickel machines.

Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you
can't win. -Lazarus Long

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice,
there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation
to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

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[vpFREE] Re: We Luv Locals

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
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> Tonight I saw at both Boulder Station (near the
> sportsbook) and Texas Station (outside the Bingo
> room) a bank of MG/MD slants with "New" signs on
> top. The machines all have 12 games and at a
> quick glance I would say that at the 25c/50c/$1
> denomination all games are in the area of
> 99 - 99.8% return. Among the offerings are
> 9/6 JB, 8/5 BP, 9/6 DDB, 9/7 DB, 9/6 BPD,
> 9/5 SDB, 8/5 Aces Bonus, NSUD, etc.

Palace Station also has these on six uprights between the cashier and bingo room.

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[vpFREE] LVRJ: Total compensation for Caesars' Loveman tops $18 million

 

LVRJ: Total compensation for Caesars' Loveman tops $18 million

http://www.lvrj.com/business/total-compensation-for-caesars-loveman-tops-18-million-117551183.html

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[vpFREE] Re: Finding chinks in the armor

 

Well I agree. I did want to share the process by which these sort of things are found, even if I can't (for obvious reasons) share particular instances I'm aware of.

Hope you find them & save me a seat.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@...> wrote: Actually, #3 would be "if you discover a difference, best keep it to yourself.

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Re: [vpFREE] Question re odds & progressives

 


Valerie - a dealt royal in video poker occurs every 649740 deals. If all you're playing for is a dealt royal a payout of $3248700
for $5 would be fair.

-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie Pollard <vpollard@socal.rr.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:11 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Question re odds & progressives

I am not mathematically inclined - so I was wondering if anyone could tell me:

how high would a $1 progressive have to be to justify playing for a dealt royal? (or is there a viable answer to this question?)

Valerie

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[vpFREE] Re: XVP: The Commando hits a 12 against a dealer 4

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> I see some of you have experienced some of the same crap I have while playing blackjack. However, I botched the story somewhat. I must have been having a brain aneuryism. I haven't played BJ in quite a while and my thinker wasn't thunkin' correctly. In my haste to get the story out I inadvertently put up a plus 3 count instead of a minus 3 count. You definitly wouldn't hit a 12 against a 4 with a plus 3 count. The board should have been showing just about all paint.
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> But I'm glad you got the gist of the story which is about how one can gain the enmity of opposing forces, both the house and the patrons, by simply making the technically correct move. The patrons think you're an idiot but the pit boss recognizes you as a pro.
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> I got to study compositional strategy when there were full play video blackjack plays around. The 12 against the 4 scenario is a great trick question. Single deck, first hand off, what should you do with a 12 against a 4? Answer: It depends on the composition of the 12.
> I don't know the exact ER's but here is the stragegy:
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> 10 and a 2........Hit
> 9 and a 3.........Stand
> 8 and a 4.........Stand
> 7 and a 5.........Stand
> 6 and a 6.........Split
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> Interesting how with just one 10 out of the deck you would hit the 10/2.

From our discussion of WMS I was aware of the above strategy (The old Ken Huston software shows it too.). Shackleford printed all the composition dependent changes in Casino Player many years ago and I added them to a chart I had for the WMS game. (Made adjustments for the 6 card charlie rule on the WMS game.)

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Re: [vpFREE] the 8 of diamonds

 

you are right. My mistake.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter M. <midnight1626@gmail.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] the 8 of diamonds

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:07 AM, <Nordo123@aol.com> wrote:
> With an "honest machine" the chance of getting the 8 of diamonds on at
> least 4 of 5 lines is one chance in 1485172.

Your calculation does not consider that the draw can't include the 5
dealt cards -- the main denominator should be 47 instead of 52.

The odds of drawing the 8 of diamonds (or any other specific card) on
at least 4 out of 5 lines is 1 in 992835 plus a fraction.

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