[vpFREE] Re: POW'R HIT PLUS

 

This game along with Chambers of Gold and Jackpot Aces, two other games that I've posted pictures of here, are prime examples of how I make money in a jurisdiction where, by law, the maximum jackpot is $800. This is s $375 an hour play where I'm running just $2900 an hour in action.

A poster on another forum who traveled through Montana last year has stated that I am a liar. That he checked things out and there is nothing here. LMAO! His words carry weight in some circles but pictures don't lie. It's just further confirmation to me that he has no clue how to identify advantage plays.

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Re: [vpFREE] American Casino Guide App Introduces FREE Instant Casino Coupons For iPhone and iPad Users

 

Thanx – I consider that "near" future.

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Steve said:

eventually, but not sure when

maybe 3-4 months?

is that near future?

Sincerely,

Steve Bourie

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Are there plans to bring it out for Android users in the near future??

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Steve said:

eventually, but not sure when

maybe 3-4 months?

is that near future?

Sincerely,

Steve Bourie

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Are there plans to bring it out for Android users in the near future??

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Are there plans to bring it out for Android users in the near future??

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[vpFREE] Re: Spin Poker

 

It is not only possible but likely you will hit multiple royals playing spin poker. If you flop it then its nine royals. A one-card draw can produce 2, 3 or 5 royals. a two-card draw can produce 1,2, or 3 royals. a three-card draw can produce 1,2 or 3 royals. A four or five card draw can produce only one royal.

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[vpFREE] POW'R HIT PLUS

 

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This is what a 113% play looks like. This game is similar to Superball Keno on the old Pot O' Gold machines. It's a $1 bet. Anytime the last ball drawn (20th ball) is part of the hit you get payed 4X the regular pay....except in the case of the 6/8 which pays 500 for 1.


There is a train of thought by some that an AP who takes advantage of casino mistakes is not really AP'ing at all. He is just taking advantage of an error. That a real AP doesn't need casinos mistakes to make it. I agree that a real AP doesn't need casino mistakes but disagree with the rest of the premise.

I found this game a year and a half ago on 4 machines in a bar/casino in a little town. How long did this play go unrecognized by the locals as a strong gamble? I come an go from this play and also track the meters. I write the numbers down when I leave then take a look at the numbers when I return. The game gets very little activity by the locals. But the game did not escape the scrutiny of this AP. I've done a lot of keno math but not this kind before. I had to think up the way to do the math. Then I put my math up on WoV to get second opinions from the heavyweight mathematicians on that site. They confirmed I did the math right.

I've been milking this play for a year and a half....instead of torching it....in which case I didn't figure to make that much money before they had the slot route operator send the techs in. These liittle 20 machine casinos can't stand heavy concentrated losses. So I milk the play then let the machines soak up money for weeks at a time before I return.

Except for these four machines the meters on all the other machines starts at $200. That would put the game at about 92%. But the extra 300 bets makes it a 113% play. The frequency of the 6/8 with the Pow'r Hit is 1408. The 7/8 is also a key hit as 7% of the payback, whether its a normal pay of 230 for 1, or a Pow'r Hit pay that pays 800 for 1, is wrapped up in it. The frequency of the 7/8 with the Pow'r Hit is 17,800. I have 6% the best of it just up through the 6/8 with the Pow'r Hit (1408 game cycle). And when the 7/8's come its all gravy.

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Re: [vpFREE] varience question

 

Nothing wrong. The very high royal on this game which was (may still be) one of the best in Atlantic City (100.07%) causes the variance. Needless to say, if you are under-royaled on this you will not like it!

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:12 PM, "007 007@embarqmail.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


  >Just asking, because I know you know more than I. Doesn't the frequent hands have to return less also to increase the variance?

As Harry pointed out, decreasing any pay will decrease variance. But
maybe you're assuming that the overall payback will remain the same,
in which case there's some truth to your question. For a higher pay
to increase the variance without changing the overall payback, the
frequent hands have to return less.
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Re: [vpFREE] varience question

 

>Just asking, because I know you know more than I. Doesn't the frequent hands have to return less also to increase the variance?

As Harry pointed out, decreasing any pay will decrease variance. But
maybe you're assuming that the overall payback will remain the same,
in which case there's some truth to your question. For a higher pay
to increase the variance without changing the overall payback, the
frequent hands have to return less.

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RE: [vpFREE] varience question

 


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <keno60@...> wrote :

Just asking, because I know you know more than I. Doesn't the frequent hands have to return less also to increase the variance?

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Some quick feedback: I can understand where a "gut" level feel for variance might lead you to this statement, but it's wrong.

VP variance measures the difference between the payout of various wins vs the average expected payout/hand (which tends to approximate 1 bet). As such, variance will generally be increased with a payout bump for any given hand, and decreased should a payout be reduced.

btw, the paytable vprod asks about was a former favorite at Harrah's AC (referred to as "Double Bonus/Double Jackpot") and found on certain Bally Gamemakers. Those machines had auto-hold as an optional feature; the strategy had just a few flaws, permitting fast play/correction. Unfortunately, long since removed.



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Re: [vpFREE] varience question

 

     Nordo:  I see what you mean.  For example if you are holding  AKC (suited) with another ace, winpoker tells you to toss the pair of aces.  Thanks for your expertise...Rod

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:23 PM, "Nordo123@aol.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


  Ken the variance is approximately the expectancy of the average squared result. so in a normal game where the Royal returns 800 bets the Royal contributes (1/40000)•((800)**2)=16. If the Royal returns 1600 and you use the same strategy its contribution is (1/40000)•((1600)**2)=64. When you make the proper strategy changes to go for the Royal more your variance increases even more.

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Re: [vpFREE] varience question

 

    Ken: I'm just a novice, but I believe you are correct. 

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:54 PM, "ken orgera keno60@hotmail.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Just asking, because I know you know more than I. Doesn't the frequent hands have to return less also to increase the variance?

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:18:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] varience question

 

   
     
     
      When you double the size of the Royal flush which is a rare hand, you really do crank up the variance. The more that the rare hands increase in value the higher the variance.

Regards

A.P.

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Subject: [vpFREE] varience question

I ran this paytable on winpoker: RF-8000,sf-250,4 aces-800, 4-2,3,4's 400, 4 5-K-250, FH-45, Fl-30, Straight 25, 3 of Kind-15. two pair/job-5. I came up with a payback about 100%, but the varience clocks in at about 92%. This seem awfully high, did I miss something? Many thanks...

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Posted by: Rod Carlon <vprod618@yahoo.com>
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Re: [vpFREE] varience question

 

Ken the variance is approximately the expectancy of the average squared result. so in a normal game where the Royal returns 800 bets the Royal contributes (1/40000)•((800)**2)=16. If the Royal returns 1600 and you use the same strategy its contribution is (1/40000)•((1600)**2)=64. When you make the proper strategy changes to go for the Royal more your variance increases even more.

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