[vpFREE] Re: Need help witth a paytable, please

 

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <lee.crowell@...> wrote :


> Go have some fun while it lasts!



Which ought to be about 36 hours.

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[vpFREE] Re: Need help witth a paytable, please

 

Hello Everyone-


Ended up staying last night and didn't get to a diamond lounge before it closed to post location.


Put a lot of action on this machine this weekend.  It is 90/9/6 Jacks or Better with $10 per point.  5 coins.


Game is located at Bally's.  There are 9 machines outside the "Signature Wine and Spirits" shop just off the lobby. Terrible pay tables- I used to like to play the one on the far left for entertainment and easy to find for people looking for me when travelling with friends- overlooks the craps pit. I found this game on the one that is the second from the left.  The games back up to a handicap ramp that leads down to/up from the pit area near the bar.  Machine number (top left corner) 3213.


Go have some fun while it lasts!


FYI and Thanks,  Lee.

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[vpFREE] Re: cruise tipping

 

Personally I don't suggest to people that to keep their cruise cost down, they should cut down the daily tip charged to the room.  Instead how about having one less drink per person per day to save the same amount?  The people on cruise lines work incredibly hard for ridiculously long hours and still somehow manage to smile even when faced with the most demanding customers.  While I am happy that you personally tip your stewards, I'm sure you've also eaten in the buffets or have enjoyed the cleanliness of public areas/bathrooms.  Your daily tip also goes to the people that work there.  While you may feel you are making a statement to the cruise line that you don't want to carry the burden of paying their employees, I can assure you that your tipping less will not in any way force the cruise line to pay them more.  All it accomplishes is ensuring that the employees get paid less than they would have otherwise.


Your tipping less does not affect the cruise line's bottom line, just the employee's; so if your goal really is to show your disdain for how cruise lines do business, I would think boycotting cruising entirely would make more sense.

Please don't feel like I am attacking you, I just want to point out that you are punishing the wrong people.  And I definitely wanted to present a counterpoint to the people who might have read your post and were thinking about doing the same thing.  Cruise employees work incredibly hard for pennies (most of which they send home to families they only get to see a few months out of the year).


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we have never been on casino cruise , although we have had many offers over the years, or a ncl cruise but we have cruised other lines  that charge a flat daily tipping fee per person.
we found out that we could go to the purser's desk and tell them that we didn't want the amt of daily tipping they were charging. evidently they cant force you to tip. we usually tell them to charge us  5 or six dollars a day  and then we tip our cabin steward and waiters we have seen several times a week seperately.this tipping fee is just a ploy by the cruise co to be able to keep wages low for all service employees and try to force thepublic to make up the difference.
not the way I wish to do business.
 
jas

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[vpFREE] cruise tipping

 

we have never been on casino cruise , although we have had many offers over the years, or a ncl cruise but we have cruised other lines  that charge a flat daily tipping fee per person.
we found out that we could go to the purser's desk and tell them that we didn't want the amt of daily tipping they were charging. evidently they cant force you to tip. we usually tell them to charge us  5 or six dollars a day  and then we tip our cabin steward and waiters we have seen several times a week seperately.this tipping fee is just a ploy by the cruise co to be able to keep wages low for all service employees and try to force thepublic to make up the difference.
not the way I wish to do business.
 
jas

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Re: [vpFREE] Ncl Certificate offers...everything you need to know - almost ; )

 

Just one more bennie to add: as a casino guest, you will receive a card entitling you to complimentary drinks in the casino, any time it is open (which is all the time, except in port and about an hour after departure from a port. This includes non-premium liquors, beer, wine and soft drinks. These can be pricey onboard, so for the cost of a tip, you can use this to advantage. Also, even when going into the "gourmet" restaurants or the main dining room,  you can stop by the casino, get what you'd like and bring it right in. There is a sign in the casino saying the drinks are not to be taken out of the casino, but it is not enforced, and the people in the restaurants and dining rooms never look askance.

Also, I've never paid the gratuities upfront, but put them instead on the credit card you use for shipboard charges. Which reminds me, if you apply for and get an NCL credit card ahead of time, they usually have a promo giving you a $100 shipboard credit, which can be used for anything except gratuities. I think the requirement for the bonus is a single transaction within 60 days of opening the account.

Finally, you can also, if you're planning to take another NCL cruise, pay a $250 deposit toward the next cruise and get $100 shipboard credit (again applicable to anything except gratuities). BUT, if you use that credit in the casino toward slot play, you get a bonus of either $25 or $50. Can't exactly remember which (it sucks getting old!) The credit is good for 4 years, and in effect, with the bonus, you get it for half price (or less).

 Guru

Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

From: "misscraps@aol.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [vpFREE] Ncl Certificate offers...everything you need to know

 
Here is what you need to know.  Those certificates are not "free" but will give you a heavily discounted cruise.  You will pay something called a NCF, and so called "port charges" for all the cruises - these run around $300 for a Caribbean or Mexican cruise per person and about $400 for Alaska per person.  Plus you will pay $12 per day per person gratuity and any cruise excursion, alcoholic or soda costs, other onboard ship costs such as purchases of souveniers.
 
To try to figure out if it is worthwhile, you should contact your host and try to find out if you have an offer for a Inside, Oceanview, or Balcony cabin and what itineraries are available.  Usually your cruise offer states what kind of cabin (you should look at it carefully).  Sometimes a host won't know which itineraries are available, but probably they include Caribbean and Alaska at a minimum and may include Mexico, Mediterranean, and more. 
 
The cruises usually are 7 days (some low level offers may include 3-4 night cruises).
 
If you receive an Inside or Oceanview you can pay a few hundred extra and upgrade to a Balcony.  Cruises are for 2 people, if you want to bring a friend or two or family member in the same cabin you can pay extra for them.
 
If you assume you will pay $300 for those NCF and port fees, you can go online and look for a comparable fare for a NCL ship at a site such as Travelocity.  Take for example a typical Caribbean cruise you might be interested in.  If Travelocity shows an Inside cabin at $599 per person (plus gratuties which you must pay at time of sailing both through a NCL certificate or through Travelocity), and you are paying $300 from the certificate, you have a 50% savings.   If you are getting a Balcony cabin to Alaska, and that cost is listed on Travelocity is say $949 and you'll pay $400, you are getting more than 50% savings.
 
All in all thinking of the certificate as a 50% savings is probably a good idea, but it could save more for an expensive trip.
 
Now, if you would go on an NCL cruise if you could get a 50% savings - then go to get the certificate.
 
For single people -- one person can use a certificate by themselves and pay just one "fee".  This can be a lot cheaper than booking through a normal channel, because usually singles have to pay for a double cabin and pay the charges for two people. So a $600 base price for a single person becomes $1200.  Now the $300 in "fees" you pay for a single person becomes a really significant savings.
 
In the case of having to fly somewhere to get the certificate, maybe it wouldn't be worthwhile.  If you have to spend $500 per person to fly to Vegas (and wouldn't normally want to go to Vegas), figure $500 plus at least $300 for you basic cruise "fees" - and now you could spend $800 and go on Princess or Royal Caribbean or anywhere else, not just on NCL for your cruise. (And NCL isn't the best cruise line). 
 
On the other hand, if you would like to vacation in Vegas, spending the $500 on the flight doesn't matter, so the cruise certificate (whether you use it or not) is just a bonus, so go for it, and if you like the destinations and pricing you can use it (or not).
 
Note - you will have to book the cruise within 2 months of getting the certificate or the certificate voids out.  You can cancel the trip usually up to 2 months prior to the trip, so if you get a certificate June 15, you might be booking a cruise for Dec. 15.  You pay those "fees" before Aug. 15, but could cancel by Oct. 15 (maybe even later) if you had to and get back the fees.
 
If you have never cruised before you will greatly enjoy the NCL cruise.  If you have cruised before, NCL isn't the best cruise line.  If you have cruised on a lot of NCL cruises (as we have) you may not be all that entranced because the food and entertainment tend to be very similar on all their vessels.
 
 
 


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[vpFREE] Ncl Certificate offers...everything you need to know

 

Here is what you need to know.  Those certificates are not "free" but will give you a heavily discounted cruise.  You will pay something called a NCF, and so called "port charges" for all the cruises - these run around $300 for a Caribbean or Mexican cruise per person and about $400 for Alaska per person.  Plus you will pay $12 per day per person gratuity and any cruise excursion, alcoholic or soda costs, other onboard ship costs such as purchases of souveniers.
 
To try to figure out if it is worthwhile, you should contact your host and try to find out if you have an offer for a Inside, Oceanview, or Balcony cabin and what itineraries are available.  Usually your cruise offer states what kind of cabin (you should look at it carefully).  Sometimes a host won't know which itineraries are available, but probably they include Caribbean and Alaska at a minimum and may include Mexico, Mediterranean, and more. 
 
The cruises usually are 7 days (some low level offers may include 3-4 night cruises).
 
If you receive an Inside or Oceanview you can pay a few hundred extra and upgrade to a Balcony.  Cruises are for 2 people, if you want to bring a friend or two or family member in the same cabin you can pay extra for them.
 
If you assume you will pay $300 for those NCF and port fees, you can go online and look for a comparable fare for a NCL ship at a site such as Travelocity.  Take for example a typical Caribbean cruise you might be interested in.  If Travelocity shows an Inside cabin at $599 per person (plus gratuties which you must pay at time of sailing both through a NCL certificate or through Travelocity), and you are paying $300 from the certificate, you have a 50% savings.   If you are getting a Balcony cabin to Alaska, and that cost is listed on Travelocity is say $949 and you'll pay $400, you are getting more than 50% savings.
 
All in all thinking of the certificate as a 50% savings is probably a good idea, but it could save more for an expensive trip.
 
Now, if you would go on an NCL cruise if you could get a 50% savings - then go to get the certificate.
 
For single people -- one person can use a certificate by themselves and pay just one "fee".  This can be a lot cheaper than booking through a normal channel, because usually singles have to pay for a double cabin and pay the charges for two people. So a $600 base price for a single person becomes $1200.  Now the $300 in "fees" you pay for a single person becomes a really significant savings.
 
In the case of having to fly somewhere to get the certificate, maybe it wouldn't be worthwhile.  If you have to spend $500 per person to fly to Vegas (and wouldn't normally want to go to Vegas), figure $500 plus at least $300 for you basic cruise "fees" - and now you could spend $800 and go on Princess or Royal Caribbean or anywhere else, not just on NCL for your cruise. (And NCL isn't the best cruise line). 
 
On the other hand, if you would like to vacation in Vegas, spending the $500 on the flight doesn't matter, so the cruise certificate (whether you use it or not) is just a bonus, so go for it, and if you like the destinations and pricing you can use it (or not).
 
Note - you will have to book the cruise within 2 months of getting the certificate or the certificate voids out.  You can cancel the trip usually up to 2 months prior to the trip, so if you get a certificate June 15, you might be booking a cruise for Dec. 15.  You pay those "fees" before Aug. 15, but could cancel by Oct. 15 (maybe even later) if you had to and get back the fees.
 
If you have never cruised before you will greatly enjoy the NCL cruise.  If you have cruised before, NCL isn't the best cruise line.  If you have cruised on a lot of NCL cruises (as we have) you may not be all that entranced because the food and entertainment tend to be very similar on all their vessels.
 
 
 

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: NCL Cruise Offer

 

I've never gotten any indication of cabin class on any promo literature that I've received directly from a casino, other than perhaps a general "Mid-level" in the online title. I'm assuming there are other designations (Upper-level, Premium-level???), but I just haven't gotten them.

On the other hand, every promo I've gotten from NCL directly due to play onboard previous trips, as a Casinos at Sea member, have clearly stated exactly what was being offered in the way of cabin class, special upgrades, free play, etc. Those mailings sometimes indicate, at least generally, what ships or trips you might be entitled to as well.

I haven't figured out exactly what the offering casino gets out of the deal, because obviously money you're using for the trip or for playing on board is money you won't be playing in the land-based casino. In the case of Harrahs/Caesars casinos, I know they're partnered up with NCL through the matrix of their ownership structure, so I can understand that tie-in, but non-Harrahs-affiliated casinos must have some skin in the game. Whether it is a percentage of your (expected) losses rebated by NCL or (more likely) an upfront payment for access to the land casino's client base, I'm not sure. In either scenario, that would explain the levels of the offers, as NCL would offer, I assume, more to get upper-tier players than lower-tier.

However, I'm a bit surprised that a high 7* would only be offered an inside cabin most of the time. As a non-highest tier player at the local casino that has sent me several offers, I've gotten the same mix of cabin offers, mostly inside or oceanview, but a rare balcony, usually tied to a specific ship or sailing - usually over a holiday like Thanksgiving or Christmas, when I suspect NCL is a bit more desperate to fill up the ship.

I will say that for me, the offers from NCL directly are usually better than those I get from the casinos, and the more likely it is that the ship won't be filled, the better deal I've been able to negotiate. I say negotiate, but that is a bit of a misnomer - you first pick an itinerary, and then they tell you what you qualify for on that particular ship/trip. I use 'better' advisedly in that you still pay the port charges and taxes, etc. but generally it at least starts at an oceanview, rather than inside.

Guru

Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

From: "slutoo@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: NCL Cruise Offer

 
Your offer should have stated what cabin class you were offered. (inside room, ocean view or balcony, check the offer again you got in the mail. If inside room and you like to stay in a balcony, then you can usually buy it outright for the same cost as the upgrade fee plus taxes plus port fees. If you are good with whatever class your offer is for, then as someone else said, it will be a good deal and about 50% off what you can buy online.

We've used a dozen or more certificates, but thrown away more than we have used when they are for inside or ocean view.  For example a 7 day Mexican Riviera cruise cost just under $2,000 to upgrade from the inside room certificate to a balcony.  We are high seven star but get a mix of cabin offers, more inside than balcony. The same offer you received we got ocean view and won't bother using due to the upgrade cost. They generally include all US 7 day only Caribbean cruises and 7 day only European cruises.  Alaska and Mexican Riviera cruises are sometimes also included.

Dave


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Re: [vpFREE] NCL Cruise Offer

 

We took a cruise using such a voucher last year and it was a two-step process. First we received an offer like you describe (come stay for three nights and get a free cruise). If you don't do the stay you don't get the cruise. Ours required that you register on one night and pick up the voucher the next (to keep you from doing a drive by).

You won't actually know what level of accommodations is free until you see the actual paper voucher. So you have to commit to the three day casino stay first. You also won't know which itineraries are available. Typically you will have a couple months to book and 6-9 months to sail, but some give you a year to sail. We are low diamond and we received three such offers last year. All included 7-day western Caribbean and shorter Mexican riviera. Two included Bahamas, one did not. One included Alaska, the others did not. None of ours included Europe but I have no doubt higher rollers get those. The NCL booklet they give you includes tons of cruises your offer isn't good for. Your specific options will be on the paper voucher. Expect your worst case scenario to be a free inside stateroom on a 7-day western Caribbean (which would normally bill around $500 per person). 

On May 25, 2014, at 7:44 PM, "'Robert Berger' bob.berger1@verizon.net [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My wife, low Diamond level, has received an offer from several Caesars LV properties for a 3 night hotel stay 7/25/14 – 7/27/14 plus an NCL voucher for a free cruise; offer code 1DJ3LGAA0H40.  We have never had a Caesars NCL voucher before.  To determine if it's worth traveling across the country for this offer, does anyone know what restrictions there are on these NCL vouchers in terms of dates, departure ports & itineraries?  I called Caesars reservation line, but they had no details.

 

Thanks for your help,

Bob B.

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[vpFREE] Re: NCL Cruise Offer

 

Your offer should have stated what cabin class you were offered. (inside room, ocean view or balcony, check the offer again you got in the mail. If inside room and you like to stay in a balcony, then you can usually buy it outright for the same cost as the upgrade fee plus taxes plus port fees. If you are good with whatever class your offer is for, then as someone else said, it will be a good deal and about 50% off what you can buy online.


We've used a dozen or more certificates, but thrown away more than we have used when they are for inside or ocean view.  For example a 7 day Mexican Riviera cruise cost just under $2,000 to upgrade from the inside room certificate to a balcony.  We are high seven star but get a mix of cabin offers, more inside than balcony. The same offer you received we got ocean view and won't bother using due to the upgrade cost. They generally include all US 7 day only Caribbean cruises and 7 day only European cruises.  Alaska and Mexican Riviera cruises are sometimes also included.


Dave

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[vpFREE] Re: LVRJ: Unions call June 1 strike for 9 downtown LV hotels

 

Years ago Local Union Presidents worked right besides you.  Now, they spend all day in an office some place with a membership a quarter of what they use to have.  They are  as much in touch with the job as an elephant in India.

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Re: [vpFREE] NCL Cruise Offer

 

You would have to pay port charges taxes ect about $279 each but is great for a single as u have only 1 charge of 279 u can choose from dates for Carrabeen from FL OR NEW ORLEANS,Alaska,MEXICAN  FROM LOS ANGLES A EUROPE CRUISE,  OF COURSE U HAVE TO GET THERE ON YOUR DIME
 
GENE SCHEEL
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My wife, low Diamond level, has received an offer from several Caesars LV properties for a 3 night hotel stay 7/25/14 – 7/27/14 plus an NCL voucher for a free cruise; offer code 1DJ3LGAA0H40.  We have never had a Caesars NCL voucher before.  To determine if it's worth traveling across the country for this offer, does anyone know what restrictions there are on these NCL vouchers in terms of dates, departure ports itineraries?  I called Caesars reservation line, but they had no details.
 
Thanks for your help,
Bob B.

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