[vpFREE] Re: All Hi Limit Full Pay JOB Removed at Wynn/Encore

 

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> machines in HL and outside, BUT YOU GET NO POINTS
> FOR PLAY. There is a placard on those machines now
> (gold rectangle with black letters) stating this.
> In addition, I believe you cannot redeem freeplay
> on those machines. However, play on the 9/6 is
> still tracked for ADT and mailers, etc.

Thanks for your report on these new machines. I saw some of them at both Wynn and Encore with 8/5 BP, 9/4/4 BDW, 9/7 TDB and 9/7 DB in addition to 9/6 JoB. Details are now in vpFREE2.com.

The placards on these say "Comps available with use of Red Card. Game is not eligible for points or FreeCredit."

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[vpFREE] Re: Station Casino $50 Giftcard for $27.95

 

Offer dead - all sold out

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jwboothjw" <jw777@...> wrote:
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> Do the Gift Cards expire and if so when?
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> Is the card charged a monthly fee after a certain amount of time?
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[vpFREE] LVRJ: Dotty's files lawsuit against Clark County Commission

 

LVRJ: Dotty's files lawsuit against Clark County Commission

http://www.lvrj.com/business/dotty-s-operator-files-lawsuit-against-clark-county-commission-122148333.html

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[vpFREE] Cosmopolitan Downgrade

 

It was reported to vpFREE2 a couple of days ago that the 9/6 JoB on the 25c/50c/$1 SpinPoker Deluxe machines at the Cosmopolitan was downgraded to 9/5.

I found that the 8/5 BP and 9/7 DB on these were also downgraded. These machines were popular since you can play any number of lines on SpinPoker and still get the full 4000 coin payout for a royal.

I checked most of the other machines listed in vpFREE2 for this casino and didn't find any other downgrades.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: How bad is this pay table?

 

The mistake in your later email also is not the fault of vpgenius.  I suspect that your posting of 97.1756% was for a pay schedule that pays 250 coins for a straight flush.  The original poster specified 300 coins for a straight flush.  When you input 300 coins for a straight flush, vpgenius will tell you that the EV is 97.2646%, which is the same number that someone would get when they multiply WinPoker's result of 116.7175% by 5/6 if they would round properly.

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From: mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:43 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: How bad is this pay table?

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
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> Hopefully this is my final will and testament response to this post. The
> E.R. (long term Expected Return) is not an estimate of any kind. It is a
> mathematics calculation.
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> Since this is a five coin paytable that the program is analyzing, you must
> now multiply the total return shown by .83333333333 to reflect the return
> for a game requiring a six coin bet, and you should determine the return to
> be 97.2645%. My disclaimer: I don't believe that I am a genius, but maybe
> the VP Genius is not as genius as they thought they were. Nudge

Actually the mistake in my earlier message was mine and no fault of vpgenius. I went back to the original post and discovered the payoff for a straight was specified as 4 and not 5. The default value on the vpgenius site for a straight on this game is 5. As for the original question a return of 4 for a straight on a Double Bonus game is a red flag in itself.

The Super Triple Play return is actually less than you suggest. vpgenius calculates it at 97.1756% with a variance of 64.4697. The reason you cannot simply multiply the five coin return by .833333 is that it does not compensate for the "NOTHING" return of zero with the additional coin bet. Since 0 x.83333 (for six coins bet) isn't proportionately smaller than 0 (for five coins bet) an adjustment has to be calculated and then integrated into the return separately. And in this case it makes an already weak game even worse.

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[vpFREE] Gambling With an Edge May 19th

 

Tomorrow night, Michael Shackleford, the Wizard of Odds, will join us on "Gambling With An Edge" to talk about the situation on an offshore website who refused to pay a video poker player $46,000 that the player earned. A discussion of this case may be found at http://wizardofodds.com/casinos/easy-street-sports.html

In addition to this, we'll talk some more with Shack about Super Bowl propositions. We discussed this in our initial show three months ago, and we'll go a little further this time.

On a different subject, the slot director at the M says he expects the new progressives to become live today. He will start the Kings or Better Joker Wild game at 8,000 coins (for both quarters and dollars) and the Super Double Bonus game at 6,000 coins. It's his hope that the progressives take off from there. We'll keep you posted.

Thursday nights, 7-8 p.m. Vegas time KLAV 1230 AM in Las Vegas, and streamed live at www.klav1230am.com . Sometime late Thursday night, the archived show will be available at www.progressivevp.com and sometime Friday on www.bobdancer.com

~FK

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: How bad is this pay table?

 

Multiplying a 5-coin return by 5/6 to get a 6-coin return properly accounts for the 0 pays. I suspect the difference between the two methods would be even greater if another way of treating the 0 pays is used. Can you show the calculation to get from 116.7175% to 97.1756%?

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> > the VP Genius is not as genius as they thought they were. Nudge

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[vpFREE] Re: How bad is this pay table?

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
>

> ------------------------------------
>
> Hopefully this is my final will and testament response to this post. The
> E.R. (long term Expected Return) is not an estimate of any kind. It is a
> mathematics calculation.
>
> Since this is a five coin paytable that the program is analyzing, you must
> now multiply the total return shown by .83333333333 to reflect the return
> for a game requiring a six coin bet, and you should determine the return to
> be 97.2645%. My disclaimer: I don't believe that I am a genius, but maybe
> the VP Genius is not as genius as they thought they were. Nudge

Actually the mistake in my earlier message was mine and no fault of vpgenius. I went back to the original post and discovered the payoff for a straight was specified as 4 and not 5. The default value on the vpgenius site for a straight on this game is 5. As for the original question a return of 4 for a straight on a Double Bonus game is a red flag in itself.

The Super Triple Play return is actually less than you suggest. vpgenius calculates it at 97.1756% with a variance of 64.4697. The reason you cannot simply multiply the five coin return by .833333 is that it does not compensate for the "NOTHING" return of zero with the additional coin bet. Since 0 x.83333 (for six coins bet) isn't proportionately smaller than 0 (for five coins bet) an adjustment has to be calculated and then integrated into the return separately. And in this case it makes an already weak game even worse.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 17 MAY 2011

 

My double snip is below:

From: gmblnmn
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 17 MAY 2011

Bob generally doesn't teach what he doesn't play, so I doubt that he would
be interested in teaching progressives.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Sai Sai <gofastnismo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How about some classes on progressives to mix it up. Sam's Town
> has a few so it should be no problem.
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Did either of you folks bother to read the article? If you did, you may
want to brush up on your reading skills. I don't think Bob will mind, so I
am copying and pasting the following from the article:

"I've been teaching classes for 14 years, and this will be the first time
I've taught a progressive in my classes. Sam's Town has LOTS of
progressives, and the one I've chosen is 9/7 Double Bonus. "

Now, don't you both feel better now?
Nudge

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[vpFREE] Re: Video Poker for Winners - Strategy report notation

 

Thanks for the help - appreciated.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
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> Oops left out SF double inside has only 1 high card. I think this is fixed.
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> In 9/6 Jacks or Better you hold 4 cards to an inside straight with 3 high cards over 3 cards to a straight flush double inside with one high card "only when EITHER unsuited card is internal to the straight flush". This wording is taken from Bob's earlier report on the same game.
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 17 MAY 2011

Bob generally doesn't teach what he doesn't play, so I doubt that he would
be interested in teaching progressives.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Sai Sai <gofastnismo@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> I just looked at this schedule and noticed the classes are at 1 PM. Is he
> targeting retirees because most people I know work in the afternoon during
> the week. How about some classes on progressives to mix it up. Sam's Town
> has a few so it should be no problem.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@...>
> wrote:
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> > Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 17 MAY 2011
> >
> > "New Semester of Free Video Poker Classes at
> > Sam's Town Beginning June 14"
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> > http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2011/0517.cfm
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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 17 MAY 2011

 

I just looked at this schedule and noticed the classes are at 1 PM. Is he targeting retirees because most people I know work in the afternoon during the week. How about some classes on progressives to mix it up. Sam's Town has a few so it should be no problem.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@...> wrote:
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> Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 17 MAY 2011
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> "New Semester of Free Video Poker Classes at
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Re: [vpFREE] Learning Something at Venetian-Palazzo

 

my offers to venetian/palazzo have resumed ... 3/4 nights, $400-600 free play, tix to phantom

--- On Tue, 5/17/11, TedChee@aol.com <TedChee@aol.com> wrote:

From: TedChee@aol.com <TedChee@aol.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Learning Something at Venetian-Palazzo
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 6:44 PM

 

I guess it's right. Since I've been ignoring anything with Venetian on it

for the last 2 years, I didn't notice the change. Used to get 3 - 4 nights +

$400 - $600 FP & had to check email back to Oct 2010 for last free offer.

I don't miss it though I have to say that the rooms & the restaurants

were near the top but not enough to make up for the lack of service when

compared to the Wynn.

In a message dated 5/17/2011 11:08:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

_Learning Something at Venetian-Palazzo _

(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/114475;_ylc=X3oDMTJzN3U4b2NhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQ2NDEwMTcE

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MzA1NjU1NzEy)

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(mailto:burberry25yo@yahoo.com?Subject= Re:%20Learning%20Something%20at%20Venetian-Palazzo) _burberry25yo _

(http://profiles.yahoo.com/burberry25yo)

Tue May 17, 2011 11:06 am (PDT)

I'm a few days late on this one, anybody notice this in the Las Vegas Sun

last week?

Casino revenue tanks after Las Vegas Sands cuts comps

Liz Benston, Las Vegas Sun - After scrapping promotional offers such as

free rooms to entice gamblers, the owner of the Venetian and Palazzo in Las

Vegas reported a 47 percent decline in casino revenue in the first quarter

and a 6 percent drop in room revenue as occupancy slipped to 83.9 percent.

Still, some experts say it's too soon to call Las Vegas Sands' strategy a

flop...slot machine wagering fell 36 percent and table games wagering fell by

13 percent...PromotionLiz Benston, Las Vegas Sun - After scrapping

promotional offers such as free rooms to entice gamblers, the owner of the

Venetian and Palazzo in Las Vegas reported a 47 percent declin

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