Re: [vpFREE] Royal Cycle

 



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On Apr 19, 2020, at 5:30 PM, Tim Brownlow tim.brownlow@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

i play a lot video poker at Indian casinos in michigan. I know they are self regulated It seems like every year for a couple months they absolutely do not play right.  Then once they start playing properly again it also seems like the machine is trying to get back to the actual payout they should be. Meaning they seem to play better than expected for a while..

In your case being shut off i dont think it would be the same. Plus I would think not being Indian owned they would be regulated.

On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 3:48:55 PM EDT, Larry Cantwell luckylarry38@gmail.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

It should make no difference whatsoever. By definition random number generators do not cycle, if they did they wouldn't be random.  So start playing when the time is right for you and don't let this be a consideration at all.

Larry

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:02 PM Gimmeaquad gimmeaquad@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Since I'm tired of all the discussions regarding the coronavirus, I have a question that is VP related.  With all of the gaming machines shut down or inactive, will it make a difference on the royal cycle of each machine if it was put in standby or completely turned off?  Just prior to the shutdown, I noticed all gaming machines were put into a standby inactive mode with just a small message showing.  What about like the El Cortez with their coin droppers in the back of the property?  Will the RNG start a fresh cycle if the machine is completely turned off?  If it was in a standby mode, will it pick back up once a machine is turned back on and cycle thru from the moment it went into hibernation?  Will the old coin droppers behave the same way.

If it was me, I would not play right after the machines are all back on line.  Maybe wait a few days.

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Re: [vpFREE] Royal Cycle

 

I'm not "scared" to play it now or a year from now.  Interesting that you would say that.  As for you 810K scenario, you could have far less than 16 or more than 23.  It is true that it is based on the pay table of the game, but not by the rules.

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On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 12:29:44 PM PDT, greeklandjohnny@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Machines don't have individual royal cycles. The royal cycle ( assuming perfect play) is based on the pay table of the game. If the royal cycle is 40,500 hands, that is the royal cycle and it doesn't matter if the game is idled for a month or not. 

If you have 1000 of these machines and they each accumulate 810,000 hands ( 20 royal cycles), some machines will have 16 royals and some will have 23 royals but it is not because of the machine. It is because of the game and the rules. 

So, if you are scared to play when the machines first turn on, you should be scared to play a year later. 


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Since I'm tired of all the discussions regarding the coronavirus, I have a question that is VP related.  With all of the gaming machines shut down or inactive, will it make a difference on the royal cycle of each machine if it was put in standby or completely turned off?  Just prior to the shutdown, I noticed all gaming machines were put into a standby inactive mode with just a small message showing.  What about like the El Cortez with their coin droppers in the back of the property?  Will the RNG start a fresh cycle if the machine is completely turned off?  If it was in a standby mode, will it pick back up once a machine is turned back on and cycle thru from the moment it went into hibernation?  Will the old coin droppers behave the same way.

If it was me, I would not play right after the machines are all back on line.  Maybe wait a few days.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Royal Cycle

 

Yeah, it was a poor choice of words using cycle on my part.  I just thought some of the older coin droppers might operate a little different compared to their newer counterparts regarding the RNG. 

GimmeaQuad

On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 12:34:16 PM PDT, Dan Dan@OptimumPlay.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

The term "cycle" as applied to VP is misleading. There is no such cycle. What is quoted as the "royal cycle" is simply the reciprocal of the probability of a royal on any one play. Each hand is dealt from a freshly shuffled simulated deck, so no matter how much a machine has been played or how long it's been idle or turned off, the probability of a royal on the next play is roughly one in 40,000 to 45,000, depending on your strategy.

So don't be concerned about whether a machine has been idle or turned off, or whether it has been running "hot" or "cold", the probability of a royal on the next play is unchanged.

Dan

Since I'm tired of all the discussions regarding the coronavirus, I have a question that is VP related.  With all of the gaming machines shut down or inactive, will it make a difference on the royal cycle of each machine if it was put in standby or completely turned off?  Just prior to the shutdown, I noticed all gaming machines were put into a standby inactive mode with just a small message showing.  What about like the El Cortez with their coin droppers in the back of the property?  Will the RNG start a fresh cycle if the machine is completely turned off?  If it was in a standby mode, will it pick back up once a machine is turned back on and cycle thru from the moment it went into hibernation?  Will the old coin droppers behave the same way.

If it was me, I would not play right after the machines are all back on line.  Maybe wait a few days.

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Re: [vpFREE] Royal Cycle

 

If by "they absolutely do not play right" you mean that the buttons stick or something, I understand.  If you just don't think they're paying you often enough, that's called variance, and it happens to everyone all the time.  Variance includes the bad runs as well as the good ones that are "trying to get back to the actual payout they should be."

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On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 08:30:11 PM EDT, Tim Brownlow tim.brownlow@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




i play a lot video poker at Indian casinos in michigan. I know they are self regulated It seems like every year for a couple months they absolutely do not play right.  Then once they start playing properly again it also seems like the machine is trying to get back to the actual payout they should be. Meaning they seem to play better than expected for a while..

In your case being shut off i dont think it would be the same. Plus I would think not being Indian owned they would be regulated.

On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 3:48:55 PM EDT, Larry Cantwell luckylarry38@gmail.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

It should make no difference whatsoever. By definition random number generators do not cycle, if they did they wouldn't be random.  So start playing when the time is right for you and don't let this be a consideration at all.

Larry

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:02 PM Gimmeaquad gimmeaquad@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Since I'm tired of all the discussions regarding the coronavirus, I have a question that is VP related.  With all of the gaming machines shut down or inactive, will it make a difference on the royal cycle of each machine if it was put in standby or completely turned off?  Just prior to the shutdown, I noticed all gaming machines were put into a standby inactive mode with just a small message showing.  What about like the El Cortez with their coin droppers in the back of the property?  Will the RNG start a fresh cycle if the machine is completely turned off?  If it was in a standby mode, will it pick back up once a machine is turned back on and cycle thru from the moment it went into hibernation?  Will the old coin droppers behave the same way.

If it was me, I would not play right after the machines are all back on line.  Maybe wait a few days.

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Re: [vpFREE] Royal Cycle

 

I also would not play right after the machines are just back on -- unless I'm sure they've sanitized them from coronoavirus.

Sorry, couldn't resist going off-topic :)

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On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 03:02:20 PM EDT, Gimmeaquad gimmeaquad@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Since I'm tired of all the discussions regarding the coronavirus, I have a question that is VP related.  With all of the gaming machines shut down or inactive, will it make a difference on the royal cycle of each machine if it was put in standby or completely turned off?  Just prior to the shutdown, I noticed all gaming machines were put into a standby inactive mode with just a small message showing.  What about like the El Cortez with their coin droppers in the back of the property?  Will the RNG start a fresh cycle if the machine is completely turned off?  If it was in a standby mode, will it pick back up once a machine is turned back on and cycle thru from the moment it went into hibernation?  Will the old coin droppers behave the same way.

If it was me, I would not play right after the machines are all back on line.  Maybe wait a few days.

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Re: [vpFREE] Royal Cycle

 

i play a lot video poker at Indian casinos in michigan. I know they are self regulated It seems like every year for a couple months they absolutely do not play right.  Then once they start playing properly again it also seems like the machine is trying to get back to the actual payout they should be. Meaning they seem to play better than expected for a while..

In your case being shut off i dont think it would be the same. Plus I would think not being Indian owned they would be regulated.

On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 3:48:55 PM EDT, Larry Cantwell luckylarry38@gmail.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

It should make no difference whatsoever. By definition random number generators do not cycle, if they did they wouldn't be random.  So start playing when the time is right for you and don't let this be a consideration at all.

Larry

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:02 PM Gimmeaquad gimmeaquad@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Since I'm tired of all the discussions regarding the coronavirus, I have a question that is VP related.  With all of the gaming machines shut down or inactive, will it make a difference on the royal cycle of each machine if it was put in standby or completely turned off?  Just prior to the shutdown, I noticed all gaming machines were put into a standby inactive mode with just a small message showing.  What about like the El Cortez with their coin droppers in the back of the property?  Will the RNG start a fresh cycle if the machine is completely turned off?  If it was in a standby mode, will it pick back up once a machine is turned back on and cycle thru from the moment it went into hibernation?  Will the old coin droppers behave the same way.

If it was me, I would not play right after the machines are all back on line.  Maybe wait a few days.

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Re: [vpFREE] Corona virus consequences?

 

Almost all cases are transmitted asymptomatic/presymptomatic.  That means you'll get it from someone who does not appear to be sick.  Here's one link but if you search you'll find plenty more.  My husband is an epidemiologist and an expert in his field.

https://www.propublica.org/article/what-we-need-to-understand-about-asymptomatic-carriers-if-were-going-to-beat-coronavirus



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"The majority of people who get COVID-19 and die are getting it from people who are asymptomatic."

I do not think this is true.   It's certainly possible to transmit when asymptomatic, but I haven't seen any data or any expert that suggests most transmission or most death is from asymptomatic carriers.   If you have a source that says that, please post it.

--Dunbar


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I agree.  Discussing ad nauseum about when/if casinos will reopen is pointless.  They will open when they open.  If they offered me a million dollars to go to a casino when they reopen, I wouldn't take it.  Casinos are going to err on the side of extreme caution when allowed to reopen.  Sorry, gambling is not my priority.  Not dying is.  My son works in a major metropolitan hospital on the East Coast and he is on the front lines.  Until you see what he has seen, the sickness, the death, the anguish of telling family that their loved ones are not going to make it, gambling is meaningless.  Stay home, stay safe, stop the spread.  The majority of people who get COVID-19 and die are getting it from people who are asymptomatic.  Don't risk it.  



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I thought that this discussion group was about video poker?  Apparently not.

In a message dated 4/18/2020 11:14:41 AM Central Standard Time, vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:



Indian Grand (Shelbyville) converted the electronic tables poker room to the high limit room when they introduced live dealer table games with real cards on January 1.  The barely got in 2 months with the new table games before getting shut own.  There were some decently cut BJ games that offered good opportunities,  but doubtful I will be handling chips anytime in the near future.  There are multiple $5 single line 9/6/239 Jacks at IG.  They have frequent RC multiplier days and up until last fall were allowing you to redeem RC to FP at a 1:1 rate.  That made for an attractive opportunity.  Not so much lately.  Wil be interesting to see if any changes come about when they reopen.

 

SB

 

 

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Indiana had them at Shelbyville (now a Caesars property I think) and Anderson - the two race tracks that got licensed to be casinos as well.  Anderson shut the poker room down altogether, long ago.  My understanding is that the Shelbyville poker room is temporarily closed, being remodeled, and will re-open with live dealers in 12-18 months -- but that was pre-virus; who knows what current plans or schedule will be.  Shelbyville had a lot of electronic blackjack, roulette, and other games with virtual dealers, all of which went to live dealers first of the year (but probably shut down now).  They also used to have (haven't checked for ages) a single VP terminal with $5 9/6 Jacks or Better; lower denoms were lower pay tables.


I haven't been to either for a long time, maybe a decade; I'm in Indianapolis, and they started "charity" poker here four-five (?) years ago; closest venue just 10 min. from my house.  Mostly Moose and Elks lodges, but some others too.  Each locale must be licensed and a few have been shut down temporarily or more for violations of regs, mostly record-keeping problems, but a few minor things.  For example, the one I usually went to had free dinner, and the state commission said they had to charge for it - big deal. 


They are allowed up to three 12-hour sessions a week.  "My" place offered 1/3, 2/5, and sometimes 5/10 NLH, and PLO.  The players I could beat have mostly stopped coming, and so I don't play there very often anymore; haven't even checked lately to see if they're shut down by the COVID rules, but I can't imagine there's a way they would not be.


Bottom line on the question is that I'm unaware of any surviving electronic poker tables in Indiana anymore.


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On Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:08:04 PM EDT, Tony Bigcharles tonybigcharles@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

i seen those at the plaza in vegas (now gone) southland gaming outside of memphis (now gone) and at Harrahs cherokee in NC (now gone) and at the silver legacy (now gone). all those places either got rid of poker, or now have live tables with dealers. i dont consider any of those areas as midwest. ive never seen one in MI, IN MN IA, or any other state which people would call midwest. where in the midwest are they?


On Friday, April 17, 2020, 04:48:02 PM CDT, greeklandjohnny@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

The problem with the electronic games is that they raked the same as the live games. You can get 10 to 15 more hands an hour so that rake adds up in a hurry. Granted, no dealer tip but if they ran it with $3 rake up to $60 and $4 after that, they would have customers.. $6 rake on $60 is too much. 


JZ

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Are the electronic poker tables any good? I have never seen them in use but they are in several Midwest-casino. Still could have issues with cleaning the controls and screens.


On Friday, April 17, 2020, 04:30:05 PM CDT, Albert Pearson ehpee@rogers.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

The only problem with that solution or any other spacing solution for poker is that since the game is not very profitable for casinos, and all these solutions require a lot of additional floor space they just aren't economically feasible for the casinos. Poker probably won't be back until a vaccine becomes available.


Regards


A.P.



On Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:16:20 a.m. EDT, Jeffrey Wilens jeff@lakeshorelaw.org [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

They could set up private booths (like those in old-style adult book stores, not that I have any personal experience).  In each booth you log into a video screen and gamble with other players in their own booths (which will have proper ventilation.  You will be able to see the other players on the large videoscreen.



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My guess is, no more so than they already have done so -- i.e., some casinos have made some areas non-smoking, and a handful (to my knowledge) have gone completely smoke-free -- I can't imagine if they're chomping at the bit to re-open without sufficient concern about the virus, that it will change their attitude about smoking.


Happily, most poker rooms have gone smoke-free (if you ignore the people immediately next to the poker room who are smoking) -- but unhappily, poker has other problems to deal with now.  You can't sit six feet from the other players and handle the chips and cards with gloves and remember to keep those gloves away from your face all the time -- it's just risky business.


Of all the advantages of the electronic poker tables, I was aware of many:  faster play, no one can act out of turn or show their cards prematurely, pots are automatically "chopped" without error, no misdeals, no player errors except their own mistakes in betting, and on and on ...  but then someone said they thought they were experience less frequent colds due to the lack of need to handle chips and cards, which I added to the list.  But with social distancing, even that won't work, unless they can re-wire the systems and have 8-9 players in a game sitting at 4-5 separate tables.


On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:54:09 PM EDT, K/J Haka kjhaka@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





One thought that has passed my mind is -- will casinos (or gov?) use this whole corona virus

pandemic and it's most reputable characteristic of attacking through the respiratory system

as an "excuse" to go smoke-less?




On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 3:36:05 PM CDT, ROBERT HANNU RWHANNU@aol.com [vpFREE] <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




>>Masks should be mandatory for all persons in the casino public areas. <<


****************Hard to drink those free drinks and smoke with a mask on.







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