[vpFREE] Tuscany - Personnel changes

 

Today I learned from the Player's Club reps that the Director of Marketing was let go last week. She was brought in a few months ago and the promotions went downhill almost immediately.

Hopefully the promotions will return to what they were: the 10x points on video poker, the twice a month mystery free play and maybe even the 8/5 BP!!

Don the Dentist

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Re: [vpFREE] Riviera

 

Vegasvpplayer wrote:

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>On Sep 5, 2013, at 3:44 PM, "Queen of Comps" <queenofcomps@cox.net> wrote:
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>That was true until last week. I was there yesterday and did not see any of the familiar 8/5 BP, 9/7 DB, or 9/6 DDB. All paytables I checked had been downgraded. I didn't check every machine in every bank, but my random survey of a dozen or so machines showed the same devastation.

There is $1 8/5 Bonus, 9/7 Double Bonus, 9/6 Double Double, and
several other games almost as good just south of the point half way
between the cashier and the sports book.

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[vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Shocker/ Bonus poker

 

That version of bonus poker has been around for awhile and is quite easy to spot. However, there is a more evil version of bonus poker out there that is not so easy to spot. I got caught playing it a few hands before I realized what was really going on. It is a regular 8/5 BP game, but it pays even money on two pair. I believe this one is a sub 90% game. Ouch.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Nairb Trah <nairbtrah1@...> wrote:
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> Something important to note about "Bonus Poker" at Harrah's Rincon (don't
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> I went to play some of the new machines recently installed in the video
> poker area. I looked for bonus poker, and lo and behold there was 8/5
> "bonus poker" (quotations here are important). I only checked the full
> house/flush ratio (the game was clearly labeled bonus poker with the same
> font/artwork you usually see for the game) then finally, I hit my first
> quad: four two's! Yippee, right? Except I was rewarded 150 quarters instead
> of the usual 200. I scrolled up to check the paytable to see what gives,
> and I couldn't believe my eyes. The only "bonus" in this game is that all 4
> of a kinds pay 150 quarters at max bet instead of 125.
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> is 8/5 JoB with a 30 credit quad instead of 25 credits. Probably a little
> dumb of me to not check out the entire paytable first, but I was just there
> to relax and have some fun. Feeling like you're being conned is the
> opposite of fun. If I want to play "Bonus Poker" I expect actual Bonus
> Poker, not JoB with a crap paytable. Having JoB with a crappy paytable
> labeled as "Bonus Poker" is blatantly misleading. It really rubs me the
> wrong way and I won't be going back to Harrah's again, that's for sure. I
> think I'll stick to Barona for now.
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> Anyone else encountered "bonus poker" in their region? It's not so much the
> shitty EV that bothers me (though that's certainly part of it), it's that
> IGT is apparently changing the definition of what "Bonus Poker" is for
> their games to something much more bland. I enjoyed Bonus Poker because it
> was more volatile than JoB, but not incredibly volatile like DDB and its
> variants. It was the middle of the road option that fit my playstyle and
> budget perfectly. Having it and JoB on the same machine seems redundant,
> and I can't figure out why it exists except to trick people only checking
> the flush/full house ratio into thinking it's a decent paytable.
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> There's a lesson in this too, of course. Never, ever, ever let your guard
> down in a casino! (especially a harrah's property) :)
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> Cheers,
> Brian
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RE: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!

 

 

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, RWS <realcaman92373@...> wrote:

Well congratulations on your results.   But that information doesn't address my original observation that those who play VP advantage really don't understand that they are not playing in the long term as far as statistical significance.    It's very likely that in your 25 years of play, your number of hands doesn't approach the long term either.

... and previously:

How is it that anyone feels their playtime at video poker even approaches long term math? (millions of trials) I have yet to see anyone explain that on this site.

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So, RWS, what is your concept of "long-term" based on?

Is it framed from some Sagan-esque expert who once opined that the long-term in video poker involves billions and billions of hands?

Or perhaps it reflects the experience of a player lacking the discipline that gives rise to reliably profitable vp play (and who assumes as a consequence that no one else can reasonably aspire to such play).

The most realistic and tangible concept of the "long term", when it comes to video poker, is the length of play required to have strong confidence of a positive result.  This has been discussed in this forum by the likes of nightoftheiguana.

Those discussions involve the statistical concept of N0.  The bottom line is that an active player who keeps a rein on variance, and consistently plays at a respectable edge, can look for a positive play outcome over a fairly standard course of play (conceivably under 1 millions hands, for a game like Jacks or Better) with strong confidence.

For you to suggest that an adept player, like Jean, couldn't possibly be playing into the "long term", even after 25 years, betrays a surprisingly limited imagination where it comes to vp possibilities and potential.





 




From: Queen of Comps <queenofcomps@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!

 
Playing over 25 years, only on positive VP plays (which include all cash extras, i.e., free play but not including comps), we have won an average of 40K per year.
 
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Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
 
From: RWS
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!
 
 
How is it that anyone feels their playtime at video poker even approaches long term math?   (millions of trials)  I have yet to see anyone explain that on this site.


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[vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!

 

A million dollars in the bank after 25 years is statistical significant enough for me.  But that's just me – I was an English major, not a math major.
 
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Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
 
From: RWS
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:30 PM
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!
 
 

Well congratulations on your results.   But that information doesn't address my original observation that those who play VP advantage really don't understand that they are not playing in the long term as far as statistical significance.    It's very likely that in your 25 years of play, your number of hands doesn't approach the long term e
From: Queen of Comps <queenofcomps@cox.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!
 
 
Playing over 25 years, only on positive VP plays (which include all cash extras, i.e., free play but not including comps), we have won an average of 40K per year.
 
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Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
 
From: RWS
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!
 
 
How is it that anyone feels their playtime at video poker even approaches long term math?   (millions of trials)  I have yet to see anyone explain that on this site.


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Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!

 

What do you mean by the "long term?"

I hope I've done this right, since I was never very sure of myself
regarding how to use probability. I hope I'll be corrected if not:

Assume Jean and Brad play 800 hours per year. Assume they play 1000
hands per hour. Assume they always play 5 coin single line $1
machines with a variance of 40. They've played 20 million hands.
Their standard deviation is the square root of the number of hands
times the variance, or 28,284. They're 200,000 units, or 7 standard
deviations, ahead. If that isn't statistically significant, what is?

RWS wrote:

>Well congratulations on your results.   But that information doesn't address my original observation that those who play VP advantage really don't understand that they are not playing in the long term as far as statistical significance.    It's very likely that in your 25 years of play, your number of hands doesn't approach the long term either.
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>To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!
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>Playing over 25 years, only on positive VP plays (which include all cash
>extras, i.e., free play but not including comps), we have won an average of 40K
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>Jean
>$¢ott, Frugal Gambler
>http://queenofcomps.com/
>You can read my blog
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>From: RWS
>Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:06 PM
>To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal
>Flush!
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>is it that anyone feels their playtime at video poker even approaches long term
>math?   (millions of trials)  I have yet to see anyone explain
>that on this site.
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Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!

 

Exactly how many hands is the long term? I haven't played much VP and now I don't want to start unless I know precisely how many hands to play.

Ed

On Nov 11, 2013 3:43 PM, "RWS" <realcaman92373@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Well congratulations on your results.   But that information doesn't address my original observation that those who play VP advantage really don't understand that they are not playing in the long term as far as statistical significance.    It's very likely that in your 25 years of play, your number of hands doesn't approach the long term either.








 




From: Queen of Comps <queenofcomps@cox.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!

 
Playing over 25 years, only on positive VP plays (which include all cash extras, i.e., free play but not including comps), we have won an average of 40K per year.
 
------------------------------------------
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
 
From: RWS
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!
 
 
How is it that anyone feels their playtime at video poker even approaches long term math?   (millions of trials)  I have yet to see anyone explain that on this site.


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Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!

 

Well congratulations on your results.   But that information doesn't address my original observation that those who play VP advantage really don't understand that they are not playing in the long term as far as statistical significance.    It's very likely that in your 25 years of play, your number of hands doesn't approach the long term either.








 




From: Queen of Comps <queenofcomps@cox.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!

 
Playing over 25 years, only on positive VP plays (which include all cash extras, i.e., free play but not including comps), we have won an average of 40K per year.
 
------------------------------------------
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
 
From: RWS
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Today I was dealt a Sequential Royal Flush!
 
 
How is it that anyone feels their playtime at video poker even approaches long term math?   (millions of trials)  I have yet to see anyone explain that on this site.


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[vpFREE] RE: Re: A "Quick" Question ...

 

Picking up on an earlier thread to add a couple of anecdotal remarks ...

I played my first session of QQ (BP) last week after contemplating such a session for some time.  (Until now, I've deemed the game a little more volatile than suited for my general tastes ... that's not too say that I shy away from variance -- I'm quite comfortable with single line $1 10/7 DB and $1 10/6 DDB.)

The outcome, with $40k coin-in playing 15 hands of $.25 QQ BP is that I got my hat handed to me with some vengeance.  I took a $4800 loss -- sufficient to turn a $100k coin-in day from a $1400 win to a $3400 loss.  Suffice it to say I'd wish I'd stuck with std multiline Jacks.  (And I'll add that 15-20 lines of $.25 std BP is a relative walk in the park.)

I get that QQ smooths out over more extended play.  But over the course of a single session, it's clear to me that it involves more volatility than my typical $1 single line play, on which I can largely bank on generally positive results in the fairly short term.  As such, it's not likely to find a place in my regular play for now. 

(Down the road, as my bankroll grows and I get more comfortable at the $5 single line level, look for me to return to the game :)

- H.



---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Taking a few minutes to bone up, what Bob suggests is true (no surprise there). Qq-ddb var is about on par with the base game , JB-QQ adds about a 10% boost.

Bear in mind 2 things ....

Absolute. $ swings will be another 20% stronger, simply reflecting the higher game wager (ignored in the variance stat).

Also, variance is a relatively weak measure of session volatility, but a strong measure of long term volatility. Look for QQ session volatility to be stronger than what the variance stat would suggest, simply because session results are far from "normally" distributed (i.e. The take a form strikingly diggerent than the smooth hump presumed of normally distributed data).

- H.



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Re: [vpFREE] Harrah's Shocker

 

This group has discussed that game from time to time and in the vpfree2 pay table list, this game is called both "Bonus" Poker and Jacks or Better.
8/5 with a 150 coin quads is fairly common. There is a better version that pays 175 for quads (99.65% ER) that sadly has recently disappeared at one of the casinos I monitor for vpfree.
 
Howard W. Stern

From: Nairb Trah <nairbtrah1@gmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Harrah's Shocker
 
Something important to note about "Bonus Poker" at Harrah's Rincon (don't be fooled!):

I went to play some of the new machines recently installed in the video poker area. I looked for bonus poker, and lo and behold there was 8/5 "bonus poker" (quotations here are important). I only checked the full house/flush ratio (the game was clearly labeled bonus poker with the same font/artwork you usually see for the game) then finally, I hit my first quad: four two's! Yippee, right? Except I was rewarded 150 quarters instead of the usual 200. I scrolled up to check the paytable to see what gives, and I couldn't believe my eyes. The only "bonus" in this game is that all 4 of a kinds pay 150 quarters at max bet instead of 125. 

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