Just wondered if anyone KNOWS of anyone who has a winning ticket?
I doubt anyone would admit it here, but I was just curious.
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As pyiddy said, any number of programs can be used to figure out which hands are played differently. (I'd add WinPoker to that list--it's the one I used before making the comments below.)
One significant change for a 5000-unit jackpot is that you hit all 3-card RF's rather than keep a high pair, unless your 3-card RF has both an Ace and a Ten. (If the jackpot is 5500, then even the AT 3-card RF's are held.)
You'll also be able to stop worrying about when to hold KTs vs holding just the K. No more penalty cards.
--Dunbar
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Julia Ramirez" <ramirez6@...> wrote:
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> Please forgive me for asking a very basic question:
>
> What changes in JOB strategy should be made when a progressive royal is > 5000 units?
> I would appreciate being directed to a website since I realize the answer may be somewhat complicated.
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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FINALLY!!!!! Someone has given some information that may keep me from completely losing my mind. Thank you, thank you.
Anyone have Toledo information?
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http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
From: spartanbuckeye21
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:32 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: More questions about Ohio gambling state and city taxes
The confusion lies in the fact that the W-2G forms used by Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus do not have a separate box for local income tax withholding. I have no idea why they don't as I have W-2Gs from one casino in IN that has a box for local withholding even though there is no local withholding there. I've also seen versions of W2-G forms on the IRS website that also have box for local withholding.
Each of the 3 OH casinos I've visited seem to do it differently.
Cleveland just dumps the state and local both into Box 14 at a 6% rate (4$ state and 2% city) and makes no mention anywhere on the form that this is a combination of both.
Columbus dumps the state (4%) into Box 14, but then has this footer under the signature line that says "Local Tax Withheld xx.xx" which is at the 2.5% rate for Columbus. Your payout is the jackpot amount minus both he Box 14 and the local line item withholding.
Cincinnati dumps both state and local into Box 14, They have a footer under the signature line that says "Box 14 includes 4% state and 2.1% city tax withheld.
Someone else can verify Toledo, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a fourth way or reporting the local tax in OH W2-G.
One other oddity about Cincinnati is that they pay you on the spot from the slot attendant's pouch in cash and don't give you an actual W-2G at the time of your jackpot. You get this pink W-2G guest receipt and then the actual W2-G document arrives in the mail 2-3 weeks later.
Thanks!
SB
--- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, "Queen of Comps" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
>
> Hummmm.....the plot thickens. Notice this from just last Friday!!!!
> > <<I just received another W2g this past Friday. Box 14, labeled State Income Tax withheld, has 6% of my jackpot total. Nowhere on the W2g is there any mention of City Tax.>>
>
>
> Wonder if some casinos didn’t get the change memo!!!!
> ------------------------------------------
> Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
> http://queenofcomps.com/
> You can read my blog at
> http://jscott.lvablog.com/
>
> From: dunbar_dra
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:34 PM
> To: mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: More questions about Ohio gambling state and city taxes
>
>
>
>
> Maybe this will help some, Jean. It appears that 6% was withheld until June 12, 2012. Thereafter it was 4%:
>
> "Pursuant to R.C. 5747.063, if a person's winnings at a casino facility are such that the IRS requires reporting on form W-2G or 1042-S ($1,200 or more not reduced by the wager for slot winnings; more than $5,000 reduced by the wager or buy-in for table win; or $600 or more if the winnings are more than 300 times the amount wagered or are subject to federal income tax withholding), the casino operator shall deduct and withhold Ohio income tax from the person's winnings at a rate of four percent (4%) of the amount won. (Please note that, prior to June 12, 2012, each casino operator was required to withhold Ohio income tax at a rate of six percent (6%) for those people meeting the thresholds mentioned above.)"
>
> That's from the Ohio Dept of Taxation website:
>
> http://www.tax.ohio.gov/faq/tabid/6315/Default.aspx?QuestionID=627&AFMID=11354
>
> That link should open to FAQ #52, "Will the casino withhold any amounts from my casino winnings for Ohio income taxes?"
>
> --Dunbar
>
> --- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, "Queen of Comps" <queenofcomps@> wrote:
> >
> > I’m thoroughly confused right now. Does Ohio withhold 4% or 6% from W2-G jackpots? I’ve had reports of both of these figures, but I assume it is standard across the state. Can some of you actually look at your W2-G’s and verify the percentage in the “State tax†box.
> >
> > I just received this from someone who lives outside the Cleveland city limits, but plays at Cleveland Horseshoe Casino:
> >
> > <<I just received another W2g this past Friday. Box 14, labeled State Income Tax withheld, has 6% of my jackpot total. Nowhere on the W2g is there any mention of City Tax.>>
> >
> > This verifies the previous info I had that Cleveland only taxes residents so would only withhold for residents. Since Columbus and Cincinnati taxes both residents and non-residents I believe that both of those withhold city taxes for everyone. Can some of you personally verify those details by looking at your W2-G’s from each of those cities, and be sure to add whether you are a resident of that particular city.
> >
> > This subject may put me over the edge!!!! I’ve combed the Internet and not found this specific information.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
> > http://queenofcomps.com/
> > You can read my blog at
> > http://jscott.lvablog.com/
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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You could use Steve Jacob's min-risk strategy for any royal amount:
http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/FAQ_S.htm#MR
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Julia Ramirez" <ramirez6@...> wrote:
>
> Please forgive me for asking a very basic question:
>
> What changes in JOB strategy should be made when a progressive royal is > 5000 units?
> I would appreciate being directed to a website since I realize the answer may be somewhat complicated.
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 21 MAY 2013
"A Quizzical Evening at the Casino"
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/0521.cfm
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The confusion lies in the fact that the W-2G forms used by Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus do not have a separate box for local income tax withholding. I have no idea why they don't as I have W-2Gs from one casino in IN that has a box for local withholding even though there is no local withholding there. I've also seen versions of W2-G forms on the IRS website that also have box for local withholding.
Each of the 3 OH casinos I've visited seem to do it differently.
Cleveland just dumps the state and local both into Box 14 at a 6% rate (4$ state and 2% city) and makes no mention anywhere on the form that this is a combination of both.
Columbus dumps the state (4%) into Box 14, but then has this footer under the signature line that says "Local Tax Withheld xx.xx" which is at the 2.5% rate for Columbus. Your payout is the jackpot amount minus both he Box 14 and the local line item withholding.
Cincinnati dumps both state and local into Box 14, They have a footer under the signature line that says "Box 14 includes 4% state and 2.1% city tax withheld.
Someone else can verify Toledo, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a fourth way or reporting the local tax in OH W2-G.
One other oddity about Cincinnati is that they pay you on the spot from the slot attendant's pouch in cash and don't give you an actual W-2G at the time of your jackpot. You get this pink W-2G guest receipt and then the actual W2-G document arrives in the mail 2-3 weeks later.
Thanks!
SB
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Queen of Comps" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
>
> Hummmm.....the plot thickens. Notice this from just last Friday!!!!
> > <<I just received another W2g this past Friday. Box 14, labeled State Income Tax withheld, has 6% of my jackpot total. Nowhere on the W2g is there any mention of City Tax.>>
>
>
> Wonder if some casinos didn’t get the change memo!!!!
> ------------------------------------------
> Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
> http://queenofcomps.com/
> You can read my blog at
> http://jscott.lvablog.com/
>
> From: dunbar_dra
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:34 PM
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: More questions about Ohio gambling state and city taxes
>
>
>
>
> Maybe this will help some, Jean. It appears that 6% was withheld until June 12, 2012. Thereafter it was 4%:
>
> "Pursuant to R.C. 5747.063, if a person's winnings at a casino facility are such that the IRS requires reporting on form W-2G or 1042-S ($1,200 or more not reduced by the wager for slot winnings; more than $5,000 reduced by the wager or buy-in for table win; or $600 or more if the winnings are more than 300 times the amount wagered or are subject to federal income tax withholding), the casino operator shall deduct and withhold Ohio income tax from the person's winnings at a rate of four percent (4%) of the amount won. (Please note that, prior to June 12, 2012, each casino operator was required to withhold Ohio income tax at a rate of six percent (6%) for those people meeting the thresholds mentioned above.)"
>
> That's from the Ohio Dept of Taxation website:
>
> http://www.tax.ohio.gov/faq/tabid/6315/Default.aspx?QuestionID=627&AFMID=11354
>
> That link should open to FAQ #52, "Will the casino withhold any amounts from my casino winnings for Ohio income taxes?"
>
> --Dunbar
>
> --- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, "Queen of Comps" <queenofcomps@> wrote:
> >
> > I’m thoroughly confused right now. Does Ohio withhold 4% or 6% from W2-G jackpots? I’ve had reports of both of these figures, but I assume it is standard across the state. Can some of you actually look at your W2-G’s and verify the percentage in the “State tax†box.
> >
> > I just received this from someone who lives outside the Cleveland city limits, but plays at Cleveland Horseshoe Casino:
> >
> > <<I just received another W2g this past Friday. Box 14, labeled State Income Tax withheld, has 6% of my jackpot total. Nowhere on the W2g is there any mention of City Tax.>>
> >
> > This verifies the previous info I had that Cleveland only taxes residents so would only withhold for residents. Since Columbus and Cincinnati taxes both residents and non-residents I believe that both of those withhold city taxes for everyone. Can some of you personally verify those details by looking at your W2-G’s from each of those cities, and be sure to add whether you are a resident of that particular city.
> >
> > This subject may put me over the edge!!!! I’ve combed the Internet and not found this specific information.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
> > http://queenofcomps.com/
> > You can read my blog at
> > http://jscott.lvablog.com/
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Scot Krause's Real Deals - 21 MAY 2013
Las Vegas Casino bargains and promotions
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or
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If you have software (VP for Winners, Frugal VP, Optimum VP, VP strategy
Master or a number of others) you can use that. (Will be alot of work for
100% accuracy.)
Michael Shackleford's wizardofodds.com has a program on that site that
creates 100% accurate strategy charts for more than 95% of all vp games.
Those charts can be hard to read.
vpgenius.com covers about 99% of all games but their charts are not as
accurate.
In previous replies some many years ago, I have explained how to use
software to calculate the point at which plays change. (Rather than trial
and error.)
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Julia Ramirez
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:29 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] JOB strategy amendment when progressive royal is $5000
Please forgive me for asking a very basic question:
What changes in JOB strategy should be made when a progressive royal is >
5000 units?
I would appreciate being directed to a website since I realize the answer
may be somewhat complicated.
Thank you so much!
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I would love for any members of this group please e-mail me privately to share infomation about Choctaw Casino in Durant, OK.
Thank you!!
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Please forgive me for asking a very basic question:
What changes in JOB strategy should be made when a progressive royal is > 5000 units?
I would appreciate being directed to a website since I realize the answer may be somewhat complicated.
Thank you so much!
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> Thanks very much for taking a look at these machines. I certainly wasn't going to ask to have them added to the database without some confirmation first.
>
> There was no bingo card on the screen shot I was sent, maybe because the photo did not show the sides and top beyond the display of the cards and paytable (BTW which was 99.42% 15/10/4/4 DW).
If the picture was cropped that tight, it's still very likely a Class II game given current Alabama law. When I goofed around on Class II machines in Alabama, many of the "bingo cards" were where you expect the player's club display to be, so if he just took a pic of the game monitor, it would be likely cut off.
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