[vpFREE] Re: Slot Club sign up deals

 

Went to Trop last week and their promotion was $50 same day $50 2nd day $100 on 3rd day.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tappr" wrote:
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> I'm bringing a friend to Vegas for his first time next week and I've been researching slot club sign up bonuses. Here's the "big" stuff I've found. Anything I'm missing? (I don't care about $5 or $10 bonuses, looking for the "big" ones).
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> - Cosmopolitan - $100 rebate (same day)
> - Trop - $200 rebate (50% same day, 50% later)
> - Plaza/Vegas Club - $100 rebate (50% same day, 50% later)
> - Westin Causarina - $50 rebate (same day)
> - Cannery (both of them) - $100 rebate (mailed out after a week)
>
> I know of these smaller ones, and since we're staying downtown I figure why not:
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> - Fremont - free food after first 500, 750, or 1000 points
> - Gold Spike - $10 free play
> - 4 Queens - $10 free play, free tote bag after 40 points
> - Binions - free deck of cards and $10 free play after $10 played
> - Golden Gate - $10 free play and ACG coupon $25 free play after 200 points. ACG $25 mathplay too.
> - the D - $3 free play. WOW, THREE WHOLE DOLLARS!! :)
>
> Looks like the $100 Hooters rebate I got last year is gone, as is the $1000 Riv rebate.
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> Anything I'm missing?
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping

 

Lucy wrote:

>I agree, if everyone tips $5 per drink at the Wynn then the cocktail waitresses there have the highest paid job in Las Vegas.

A cocktail waitress at the Mirage told me she made something like
$170,000 per year. $1 prices me out of the market.

James Thompson wrote:

>I tip 1.00 at hard rock, and 5.00 at the Wynn per cocktail. If you tip one dollar at Wynn, you Will be ignored the rest of the night.

I was tipping 50¢ per drink at the Mirage and was quickly ignored.

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[vpFREE] Re: Tipping

 

I agree, if everyone tips $5 per drink at the Wynn then the cocktail waitresses there have the highest paid job in Las Vegas.

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> Dang, this is a high roller site.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson wrote:
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> > I tip 1.00 at hard rock, and 5.00 at the Wynn per cocktail. If you tip one dollar at Wynn, you Will be ignored the rest of the night.
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[vpFREE] Re: Tipping

 

Dang, this is a high roller site.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson wrote:
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> I tip 1.00 at hard rock, and 5.00 at the Wynn per cocktail. If you tip one dollar at Wynn, you Will be ignored the rest of the night.
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[vpFREE] Re: Daily Theo vs Quarterly Action

 

Casinos don't want us to know their formulas for determining offers,
so I doubt that you would ever find a good list available publicly.

From what I've seen, they can use daily average or total action. And
they can use actual wins and losses, theo or coin-in. In some cases
it's a combination of factors.

Maybe you will find some other players to compare notes with and
figure out each casino's system, but players who keep good records and
are willing to share their info are very rare.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "clementiyn" wrote:
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> Perhaps this has been broken down before, but I haven't found it. Is there a comprehensive list of which casinos use which methods for their decision making?
>
> Harrah's properties definitely use daily Theo, with weighting on your most recent sessions (I've had people say they only look at last four, I've had people say they look at ten but weight toward the most recent).
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> The VPFree pages for some casinos, including the Nugget in Reno, suggest that decisions are made entirely on total action during a calendar period (in the Nugget's case a calendar quarter) without regard to the daily averages.
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> Perhaps there are some that use both, with quarterly action deciding mailers but daily theo deciding room discounts or comps. For those of you who run $100k coin in every time through the door, perhaps it doesn't matter. But some of us have $40k days and $5k days, or days where we spend an hour as a one-off while waiting on friends. Putting up a short day at Harrah's definitely has its downsides...

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[vpFREE] Re: Self-appointed snark?

 
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[vpFREE] Re: Royal Flusher's Feb/March 2013 Victory Trip - Live

 

Another delightful series....congrats on Victory over Vegas!

I hope you win enough to stop making grommets write full time ;-)

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> Here's some more.
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> http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2013/02/cavalcade-of-victory-trip-tilt.html
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> Sent from my niPad
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> >>>>> Las Vegas the Royal Flusher Way!
> >>>>> www.royalflushervegas.com
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[vpFREE] Re: GWAE: What is a "Mystery Slot"?

 

Video of Konami Beat the Field mystery progressive slot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0boATmhnr5Q

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" wrote:
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> > >
> > Bob, I think you are familiar with Quick Strike. That's a form of a "mystery slot" or "mystery progressive" that Listen is referring to. He's actually using a generic term to describe all of the various forms these slots come in.
> >
> > I always called it Lucky Coin Bonus System because that's what the name was on the first of these machines I encountered, which was at the Mandalay Bay opening in 1998. The program was introduced by Acres Gaming. Back then the games were 2 coin quarters, 2 coin dollars, 2 coin $5, with meters that ran from 2% to 5%. There were about a half dozen linked banks of machines. Mandalay Bay removed the system after about two months and that's the last time I ever encountered a mystery slot with a 5% meter.
> >
> > To find these machines you have to walk through the casino looking for all slot progressives. Then you have to take another look to see if there is a cap on the progressive. For Quick Strike the machine will show something like: Range $25 - $50. These so called mystery slots come in various forms. The Jumbo Jackpot at the Stations Casinos was one form.
> >
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> Sure, Mickey, I know what the Quick Strikes are. And I remember you posting about the play at Mandalay, way back when.
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> I don't know why I got so confused last night while listening to the show.
>
> Let me ask you about a bank I saw the other night at my local Indian joint. I forget the name, or manufacturer, maybe it's Aristocrat, but it's an Australian theme, and you play pennies, and there's a maxi jackpot and a mini jackpot, and five reels with all kinds of confusing shit on it. Anyway, I guess the maxi and mini are what you guys are referring to as mystery progressives. Because I looked at the rules and it was a mystery to me what would trigger them. They are NOT a "must-hit-by" thing.
>
> But anyway, for instance, say there was 8 machines in this bank. And the mini jackpots on 7 of them were like $40 to $50. But on ONE machine, it was up to like $160 bucks. Do you think that one with the $160 mini was positive EV? If so, what does a fella do? Just sit down and play all lines at minimum, which would be 30-cents a pop, and then hope the machine DECIDES to award one of those jackpots?
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[vpFREE] Anyone remember Reno's "Genie" advantage slot progressive?

 

In Reno last week a friend of one of my friends stopped by and the conversation turned to the "Genie" slot progressive that was only in Reno.
From what I gathered this progressive was a very lucrative 4 wheeler and it is long, long gone.
The conversation drifted to another topic and I figured I could look it up on the internet but I can find absolutely nothing on it.
Any help, description, pictures, etc. would be appreciated.

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[vpFREE] Re: GWAE: What is a "Mystery Slot"?

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" wrote:

> >
> Bob, I think you are familiar with Quick Strike. That's a form of a "mystery slot" or "mystery progressive" that Listen is referring to. He's actually using a generic term to describe all of the various forms these slots come in.
>
> I always called it Lucky Coin Bonus System because that's what the name was on the first of these machines I encountered, which was at the Mandalay Bay opening in 1998. The program was introduced by Acres Gaming. Back then the games were 2 coin quarters, 2 coin dollars, 2 coin $5, with meters that ran from 2% to 5%. There were about a half dozen linked banks of machines. Mandalay Bay removed the system after about two months and that's the last time I ever encountered a mystery slot with a 5% meter.
>
> To find these machines you have to walk through the casino looking for all slot progressives. Then you have to take another look to see if there is a cap on the progressive. For Quick Strike the machine will show something like: Range $25 - $50. These so called mystery slots come in various forms. The Jumbo Jackpot at the Stations Casinos was one form.
>

Sure, Mickey, I know what the Quick Strikes are. And I remember you posting about the play at Mandalay, way back when.

I don't know why I got so confused last night while listening to the show.

Let me ask you about a bank I saw the other night at my local Indian joint. I forget the name, or manufacturer, maybe it's Aristocrat, but it's an Australian theme, and you play pennies, and there's a maxi jackpot and a mini jackpot, and five reels with all kinds of confusing shit on it. Anyway, I guess the maxi and mini are what you guys are referring to as mystery progressives. Because I looked at the rules and it was a mystery to me what would trigger them. They are NOT a "must-hit-by" thing.

But anyway, for instance, say there was 8 machines in this bank. And the mini jackpots on 7 of them were like $40 to $50. But on ONE machine, it was up to like $160 bucks. Do you think that one with the $160 mini was positive EV? If so, what does a fella do? Just sit down and play all lines at minimum, which would be 30-cents a pop, and then hope the machine DECIDES to award one of those jackpots?

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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 

Here's the formula I used for Quick Strike, another form of a mystery progressive. I didn't have the luxury of going to the game rules screen to get the overall payback percentage of the game like the folks in Australia get to do. So I had to make an estimate of the payback to give myself a starting number.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" wrote:
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> QUICK STRIKE-ANALYZING THE GAME
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> 1. Assing an overall payback value of 90% (with a margin of error of plus 4% or minus 3%).
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> 2. Determine what the average mini jackpot value is by adding the lower parameter, $25, to the upper parameter, $50, then dividing by 2. Average mini jackpot value is $37.50.
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> 3. Determine the wager necessary to drive the meter from $25 to $37.50. It's a 1% meter so 12.5 X 100 equals $1250.
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> 4. Determine how much payback the Mini represents. 37.5/1250 = 3%.
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> 5. Discount 3% from the overall payback. That leaves 87%.
>
> Note: The Major jackpot represents 1% of the payback. Two-thirds of it is in the $250 it starts at, and one-third is in the meter. You can't say you have total equity in the Major meter because you will cash out when you hit the Mini. But this is offset by the extra money in the major meter. I'll deal with plays on the major meter at another time.
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> 6. Determine, with a playable number of $48, the average payoff for betting the luck coin by adding the lower parameter, $48, to the upper parameter, $50, and dividing by 2. Average value is $49.
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> 7. Determine how much wager it takes to move the meter to $49. It's a 1% meter so $100 in action does the trick.
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> 8. Determine how much payback $49 represents. 49/100 = 49%.
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> 9. Add 49% to 87%.
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> A playable number of $48 comes in at 136%
> A playable number of $47.50 comes in at 126%
> A playable number of $47 comes in at 119%
> A playable number of $46.50 comes in at 114%
> A playable number of $46.00 comes in at 111%
>
> Playing at $48 or higher virtually guarantee's no losing plays. Playing at $46 will show a profit in the long term, but you will have many losing plays.
>
> Next post....
>

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[vpFREE] Re: The Fremont Street Commando does Nowhere, Nevada

 

I call it Lucky Coin Bonus System. Peter Listern calls it "Mystery Slots" or "Mystery Progressives." Whatever the name I describe how it works and how to analyze it in a fictional story in this thread. I was actually writing about the slot progressives called "Coyote Cash" on the Peppermill properties in Wendover

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" wrote:
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> The Fremont Street Commando arrived in Nowhere, Nevada and checked into the Kokomo Kasino. He threw his gear in the room and headed to the casino floor. He walked up on a bank of slots, 20 machines in all, that were linked together. The name of the game was June's Cash (Johnny's Cash is probably already copyrighted). Ploppies were sprinkled around the bank playing away. He looked above the bank and there were three meters running. He automatically recognized it as a version of Acre's Gaming's Lucky Coin Bonus System.
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> The top meter had $627.51 in it. Just below the meter it said "Will go between $500 and $1000." The middle meter had $153.38 in it. Just below the meter it said "Will go between $100 and $200." The bottom meter had $63.94 in it and just below it said "Will go between $50 and $100."
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> "Okay" the Commando said. "Let's start reverse engineering this thing." He walked up to one of the machines and took a look. It was a nine line video slot, penny denomination, but you could bet up to 50 cents a line, for a max bet of $4.50. He backed off several feet and looked up at the meters again.
>
> "Gee" he said. "I sure wish I could time those meters. Can't do that with all these people playing. Oh well, I'll just have to come back in the middle of the night when the bank ain't gettin' any action." But he stood there for awhile looking at the meters to see if they were traveling at the same speed. The bottom meter was running faster than the middle meter, and the middle meter was running faster than the top meter. "Three different speeds" he said to himself.
>
> Then off he went to survey out the rest of the Kokomo....and then the Windchill Casino, where he found a copycat version of June's Cash called Barney Rubble's Stones. Then over to the Sunshine Casino where he found another bank of June's Cash. And finally over to the Fool's Gold Casino where he found the dollar 9/6 Jacks progressive with a strong meter. He stopped and railbirded the poker games along the way to see how tough or soft they were. Then he headed off to play video blackjack for the comp.
>
> to be continued....
>

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[vpFREE] Re: GWAE: What is a "Mystery Slot"?

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" wrote:
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> You don't want no part of mystery slots Bob Bartop, lol.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJQ35sJzRkE
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> regular progressives hit when you hit a particular hand, like a royal or 777 or whatever
>
> must hit progressives must hit before or at some cap, for many the bottom cap is $50
>
> mystery progressives are randomly awarded at any time, you are eligible by playing a hand or by playing a hand within a certain time frame on linked machines, mystery progressives can also be "casino wide", they are less mysterious if you happen to know the average hit frequency and average cost to hit, just like poker, and you find these things out either by playing or watching others play:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq6byhhOC-Q
>

I think I get it now. Thanks, Iguana, I knew I could count on you.

-BB

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