[vpFREE] Re: Bob and Frank's new Progressives for suckers are in

 

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Maybe they should have worked to put this in a bar setting. I still have complete faith that what they have done will work and be a success, for both the casino and the player. Just give it a little time to catch on. But I still am of the opinion that bars and progressives go well together.

No matter what happens, I think we've all got to applaud Bob and Frank for the effort.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob and Frank's new Progressives for suckers are in

 

Maybe you were aware of more of these machines than I was, since all 10 of the ones near the buffet were still alive and well an hour ago and I didn't check the 3 that were near the sports book. I assume those are the 3 you're referring to.

It took a while to find the new progressives. I was looking for an overhead sign with meters. Will there be one? They're just outside that lounge in the middle of the casino. All 16 meters were around $50 over reset.

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> They took out the ACES Bonus poker. I really wanted to get those A_C_E_S in order ONCE before I die, but now that they have removed all but 3 machines, I don't think I will have a shot at it.

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> Another reason to cross M off the list. Sad but true!

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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:

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> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:

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> > > > Could someone elaborate on what, "ploppers" means? I have not heard the term before.

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[vpFREE] Question for Frank about Easy Street fiasco

 

I was just wondering. I know that people, you especially, can play really fast at video poker in brick & mortar. What about online, though? I don't have a casino still on my computer so I cannot take a look, but before they knocked us Americans out I used to play video poker all the time, and I only clicked it with a mouse, so I think I was actually slower than I would be in brick & mortar, which is about 600-700 hands per hour.

So, I don't remember if a player online can choose the discards with the keyboard or not, if so then maybe someone CAN play real fast online also. But for me, I used to click with the mouse. So where I'm going with this, is it, or was it, possible for a player to play online real fast, without a bot?

(I know I rambled a bit here, but I'm sure you get my drift)

Either way, and even so, sounds like Easy Street Casino sucks. They handled this very poorly from my view. And I don't blame the guy for not going to friggin Costa Rica or wherever, I'd be scared too, dude, no way! lol Might end up with Uncle Pussy on the Sopranos.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Paris Las Vegas VP Machine Question

 

The best way to get a room upgrade, in my experience, is to 1) get a guy at check-in and ask if there are any upgrades available while fingering a $20 , maybe a $50 would be better, if he says yes, give him the dough, if not put it back in your pocket. I did DIAD at Caesars 6 years ago, I did not get a host and nothing extra was comped (my room was already free). It is generally pretty easy to get free rooms but much harder tonged other things comped with just 3 to 4 thousand points. My last few trips to LV, I have not seen anything with a decent payable under $5. I'm not Diamond this year because it isn't worth the losses I would endure to get it. They really don't seem to care anymore about VP players

Pat McCauley

On May 19, 2011, at 4:45 PM, "tvgambler" <tvgambler@comcast.net> wrote:

> With only 3K points you would be lucky to get a hello from a host at CET properties in LV. You won't get a host for 30K points if all you play is VP. All you're gonna get for 3K points is $30 in comps and a diamond card that you can use as a "line pass" at some restaurants and entry to the diamond lounge for some free peanuts.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "homancg" <auhoman@...> wrote:
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> > I think the reference of $300 comp was in that I said I am stay 5 nights @ ~60$ a night or whatever. Maybe you have more knowledge than me on this, but I would assume that CET properties (Paris obv) are willing to do comps on the back end of trips as well as the usual mailing offers. Thus I am assuming that I will end up being able to get things (room/meals/etc) comped off of the room at checkout after getting the DIAD (more so the 3k points and additional play). Also maybe you can attest to this but wouldn't speaking with a host after getting the DIAD be the best method of seeing "what they will be able to do for me during the trip", i.e. room upgrade/comped, meals, tickets or w/e.
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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caribou321" <caribou321@> wrote:
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> > > Considering she was playing at least $25 a hand ($5 is where 9/6 at the Rio starts), a $3000 loss is not that unexpected. It is a high variance play as that's about only 1200 hands of VP.
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> > > What do you mean by the "$300 comp". There is no automatic comp for making Diamond.
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> > > As far as mailed offers, one month is much too soon to expect them. More likely 2-3 months.
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> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "the7thwarrior" <Judy@> wrote:
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> > > > A friend of mine just did Diamond in a Day at the Rio on the 6/9 $5 Jacks or better. She lost $3000.
> > > > 30,0000 coin in.
> > > > Is it really worth it for a $300 comp? IF you are lucky.
> > > > She did this over a month ago and has received NO offers from anywhere. So you don't automatically get a host, and a slew of offers just by playing.
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> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Chris Homan <auhoman@> wrote:
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> > > > > I will be doing this June 18th or so going to be out there for almost 2
> > > > > weeks mainly to play in WSOP, but going to try and do this first part of the
> > > > > trip so I can take advantage of the perks. I've played around with some of
> > > > > the simulators seems like on a $1 machine you can on average get DIAD pretty
> > > > > reliably with $1000 and on average lose in the $500ish range. ~15% of the
> > > > > time you hit a royal and make 2k or so.
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> > > > > One question I do have is my buddy and I are going to be going out there to
> > > > > do this, we have booked a room @ paris for 5 nights or so under our standard
> > > > > gold card reduced rates etc. Does anyone have experience with getting
> > > > > Diamond during the stay and the comps we should expect? Our thinking is that
> > > > > we can charge stuff to the room while we are out there as well and hopefully
> > > > > get a decent bit of it comped on the back end. I think we are getting like a
> > > > > average rate of 60$/night, which we are hoping will get fully comped once we
> > > > > get diamond etc. How exactly should we go about do this, obviously we will
> > > > > get a host once we get diamond? maybe that is the best way to do all of it,
> > > > > also potential room upgrade once we get it?
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> > > > > Thanks
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[vpFREE] Re: Bob and Frank's new Progressives for suckers are in

 

Frank wrote:
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> So if a progressive is at 106% and there are 5 people playing, I
> figure it like this, only ONE person can hit that progressive. So
> 106% minus the base game say 96%, you have 10% extra due to the
> progressive, divided by the 5 people playing, you have a 2% edge
> added to the base game which makes it 98%...
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> Could one of the lurking math gurus out there please answer this
> for me. For the second time in a week I'm at a loss for words.
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> No contest this time, just my gratitude.

This takes a bit of common sense ... not "guru" math ...

The "106%" ER is the average expected return for all play on the bank -- winning and losing ... not just the return expected by the one who successfully hits the progressive (that win, when expressed as a percentage of wagers over the course of session(s), will likely by higher.

If one were to apply 7thwarrior's "methodology", the one player on a bank of 5 players who can be expected to hit the progressive might be looking at an ER of something north of 150%, while the other unsuccessful players are looking at something south of 93%.

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[vpFREE] Re: Paris Las Vegas VP Machine Question

 

You appear to be confusing marketing offers with being comped "on the spot". You'll likely be rated playing $20 at the tables, especially if you're tipping. But the original poster is asking about having his room charges and/or incidental charges waived as a result of $30k in video poker play, and I can say that's highly unlikely to happen at Paris. IP/Flamingo/Harrahs, I'd say it'd be more of a possibility, but CET sees Paris as more of a "premium" property.

Also, while you're "expected" to not lose more than a grand, remember that's at the end of things. There's still ups and downs involved, and you could easily hit -$2,000 over the course of those swings before making it back up again. $1 video poker is fairly volatile, even playing Jacks. I come up with: (All values are in loss amounts)

Near breakeven: ~17%
$300 to $1000: ~32%
$1000 to $1800: ~23%
$1800 to $2500: ~6.5%
Over $2500: ~0.7%

Of course, I'm also coming up with a 12% chance of doubling your money, so it's not all bad.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Chris Homan <auhoman@...> wrote:
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> to #2) I have been out to Vegas 3 times now to gamble, first time obviously
> didn't have any comped rooms of my own but this most recent trip I went out
> for 6 nights Sat-Thurs and stayed at Planet Hollywood and had every night
> except Saturday fully comped. So to say I didn't get rated at $20/hand seems
> incorrect and I didn't play more than $100 in VP that trip it was entirely
> pit games. Now right now I don't have quite as good of offers likely because
> I just used that deal in April plus I didn't play nearly as much at CET
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[vpFREE] Re: Bob and Frank's new Progressives for suckers are in

 

To peter: Outstanding reply. I could not have said it better. Thanks! I owe you one.

~FK

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob and Frank's new Progressives for suckers are in

 

via Frank, the7thwarrior writes:
> So if a progressive is at 106% and there are 5 people playing, I
> figure it like this, only ONE person can hit that progressive.

It is true that you would only have approximately a 1/5 chance of being
the lucky person who hits the progressive (assuming everyone plays at
the same speed with the same strategy adjustments etc.), but that is
irrelevant to your expectation.

If the expected value of the play is 106% with the bank all to yourself,
it is still 106% if there are 5, 10, or a thousand other people playing
the same bank.

Think about it this way: how do we calculate the expected return
of a game? By looking at the probability of various dealt hands,
figuring out which cards should be held from each of the possible deals,
then calculating the probability of various ending hands, and finally
multiplying those by their paytable values.

That being the case, the *only* thing that matters to your expected
return, is what the pay table reads when you press the DEAL button.
If someone else hits the progressive, you stop playing.

Or look at it another way: suppose there is a single 106% machine that
you have all to yourself. But before you can hit a royal, your spouse
comes by and says "You have to stop playing, we're going to dinner *now*"
and your spouse is not the sort of person you want to cross.

You had to stop playing before you hit the royal. Does this mean you
weren't playing at 106% like you thought you were? Of course not.

You may not be the one to hit the royal *this* time, but if you keep
making 106% bets, your long-term results will approach 106% of the
aggregate amount you wagered.

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob and Frank's new Progressives for suckers are in

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:

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> the7thwarrior
> So if a progressive is at 106% and there are 5 people playing, I figure it like this, only ONE person can hit that progressive. So 106% minus the base game say 96%, you have 10% extra due to the progressive, divided by the 5 people playing, you have a 2% edge added to the base game which makes it 98%...
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> Could one of the lurking math gurus out there please answer this for me. For the second time in a week I'm at a loss for words.
>

Sure. 106% is 106%... sorry, that's as far as my math goes. If your projections are correct it should be an interesting experiment.

Chandler

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob and Frank's new Progressives for suckers are in

 

I've been talking to the7thwarrior about this and I believe I've cleared up her questions. Since none of you were privy to those private exchanges I thought I should summarize here.

She's upset that they removed some machines she was playing in lieu of a progressive that to her is useless because she isn't planning on playing it.

Here's what you need to know:

1. We pitched it to the M to ADD a progressive, not remove anything.
2. They did not consult with us at all as to what they would be replacing with the new progressive.
3. I am truly sorry that getting them to add something, caused the removal of anything any of you were playing.
4. Guess it had to go somewhere.
5. Unintended consequence.

If you don't play progressives then yes, a progressive of any type is "worthless" to you. If you do play high progressives, you should find some of the highest meters you've seen in awhile at the M soon.

They have under-seeded the progressive and it may take a few days to get up.

It appears to me that "the7thwarrior" might not understand all the particulars of progressive math, no shame in that. Progressive math is hard. I've been having a difficult time figuring out how to respond to her. Here's a quote from an email she sent me: I asked first if she minded me posting this.
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the7thwarrior
So if a progressive is at 106% and there are 5 people playing, I figure it like this, only ONE person can hit that progressive. So 106% minus the base game say 96%, you have 10% extra due to the progressive, divided by the 5 people playing, you have a 2% edge added to the base game which makes it 98%...
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Could one of the lurking math gurus out there please answer this for me. For the second time in a week I'm at a loss for words.

No contest this time, just my gratitude.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "the7thwarrior" <Judy@...> wrote:
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> SO NOW M has removed MORE machines that were marginally playable for these "worthless" progressives.
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> They took out the ACES Bonus poker. I really wanted to get those A_C_E_S in order ONCE before I die, but now that they have removed all but 3 machines, I don't think I will have a shot at it.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
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> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
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> > > > Could someone elaborate on what, "ploppers" means? I have not heard the term before.
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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Paris Las Vegas VP Machine Question

I hit DIAD at the Rio about 4 years ago or so. They took care of me. My room was already gratis (my buddy got it), but in addition to my RC they offered me free room upgrades, food, booze, tickets to shows, etc. and fell all over themselves to get me back out there as soon as possible (including airfare offers). I had a host call me the day after I did DIAD and she was very eager to help me with everything.

To be fair, I earned it on table games (primarily craps), which I firmly believe they value over VP play, while taking care of the boys, which I firmly believe gets you more than if you don't.

The system has changed since then, so things may be different now. That said, they were most appreciative of me on that trip.


To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: riosgambling@optonline.net
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 20:12:35 +0000
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Paris Las Vegas VP Machine Question


I would tend to agree that the only comps you could expect are the $300 you would earn in your account. This is the basic comp return on 30,000 coin in. Hosts are not likely to give you anything extra. Also doubt if your rooms would be comped but I have not had any reason to try this.


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Sender: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 19:50:47
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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Paris Las Vegas VP Machine Question

Considering she was playing at least $25 a hand ($5 is where 9/6 at the Rio starts), a $3000 loss is not that unexpected. It is a high variance play as that's about only 1200 hands of VP.

What do you mean by the "$300 comp". There is no automatic comp for making Diamond.

As far as mailed offers, one month is much too soon to expect them. More likely 2-3 months.


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "the7thwarrior" <Judy@...> wrote:
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> A friend of mine just did Diamond in a Day at the Rio on the 6/9 $5 Jacks or better. She lost $3000.
> 30,0000 coin in.
> Is it really worth it for a $300 comp? IF you are lucky.
> She did this over a month ago and has received NO offers from anywhere. So you don't automatically get a host, and a slew of offers just by playing.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Chris Homan <auhoman@> wrote:
> >
> > I will be doing this June 18th or so going to be out there for almost 2
> > weeks mainly to play in WSOP, but going to try and do this first part of the
> > trip so I can take advantage of the perks. I've played around with some of
> > the simulators seems like on a $1 machine you can on average get DIAD pretty
> > reliably with $1000 and on average lose in the $500ish range. ~15% of the
> > time you hit a royal and make 2k or so.
> >
> > One question I do have is my buddy and I are going to be going out there to
> > do this, we have booked a room @ paris for 5 nights or so under our standard
> > gold card reduced rates etc. Does anyone have experience with getting
> > Diamond during the stay and the comps we should expect? Our thinking is that
> > we can charge stuff to the room while we are out there as well and hopefully
> > get a decent bit of it comped on the back end. I think we are getting like a
> > average rate of 60$/night, which we are hoping will get fully comped once we
> > get diamond etc. How exactly should we go about do this, obviously we will
> > get a host once we get diamond? maybe that is the best way to do all of it,
> > also potential room upgrade once we get it?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
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[vpFREE] Re: Paris Las Vegas VP Machine Question

 

to #2) I have been out to Vegas 3 times now to gamble, first time obviously
didn't have any comped rooms of my own but this most recent trip I went out
for 6 nights Sat-Thurs and stayed at Planet Hollywood and had every night
except Saturday fully comped. So to say I didn't get rated at $20/hand seems
incorrect and I didn't play more than $100 in VP that trip it was entirely
pit games. Now right now I don't have quite as good of offers likely because
I just used that deal in April plus I didn't play nearly as much at CET
casinos this time around.

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