[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 21 AUG 2012

 

Change the suit of the three in the last hand, it looks like a typo.

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> Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 21 AUG 2012
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> "Which Game is Best?"
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[vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 21 AUG 2012

 

Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 21 AUG 2012

"Which Game is Best?"

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2012/0821.cfm

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Re: [vpFREE] Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions -- I don't get it

 

Not just the dealers. Also floor supervisors and security in the eye in
the ceiling. So many people either in on the scam or completely asleep
at the switch. Not only doesn't the story make sense. It is also an
insult to players who are scrutinized for every minutest detail. What a
load of hooey!

On 8/21/2012 4:42 PM, Misscraps wrote:
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> According to an article in today's paper, Golden Nugget in Atlantic
> City ordered a preshuffled bunch of cards to be used at baccarat,
> which I assume would be something like 8 or more decks, since that is
> normally used for that game. Players noticed the same order of cards
> coming out over and over and started betting high and then won 1.5
> million. Now the casino doesn't want to pay them and they are suing,
> and the casino is suing Gemaco, the people who made the cards.
>
> This makes no sense to me. First, why would a casino order a
> preshuffled deck from somewhere else? They would have to shuffle the
> deck(s) again anyway after discarding. Secondly, whenever I've seen
> new decks brought into a game, the casino always spreads the decks and
> then checks them for manufacturing errors. Whether deck or decks were
> supposedly preshuffled or not, wouldn't the casino need to check them
> for manufacturing defects and thus see they weren't shuffled? Wouldn't
> the casino want to reshuffle even supposedly preshuffled decks? And
> why have them preshuffled anyway, for a onetime bonus of no
> shuffling...wouldn't you want to check the decks for defects, make
> sure the right number of cards were there, and then reshuffle?
>
> Can anyone explain this part of the story? Makes no sense.
>
> A new TV show called Cheating Vegas just focused on baccarat cheating
> from the Tran family, which involved dealers in cahoots with players
> to not shuffle part of the deck(s), which is understandable. But a
> casino ordering preshuffled cards just makes no sense to me.
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[vpFREE] Re: Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions -- I don't get it

 



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> This makes no sense to me. First, why would a casino order a preshuffled deck from somewhere else? > A new TV show called Cheating Vegas just focused on baccarat cheating from the Tran family, which involved dealers in cahoots with players to not shuffle part of the deck(s), which is understandable. But a casino ordering preshuffled cards just makes no sense to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

8 brand new decks take a long time to open, inspect, wash, and shuffle. The pre-shuffled decks let casinos skip these steps and load the pre-shuffled cards right into the shoe and start dealing. Big baccarat games typically only use the cards once through, so the next shoe would also have to begin with time consuming process of opening new cards, inspection, washing, and shuffling.

The pre-shuffled packs are supposed to be "certified" by the manufacturer to be complete and random. Except these weren't. OOPS!!!

What's funny (as someone mentioned on BJ21), is that the players were smart enough to notice the cards coming out A,2,3,4,5.... and adjusted their bets to take advantage of the situation, while the casino bosses and security were apparently too stupid to figure out what was going on and stop the game. Now they don't want to pay the players for using their brains. Typical.

EE

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Re: [vpFREE] vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - 20 AUG 2012

 

No web site just sell by word of mouth u can call me at 561 727 6335

GENE SCHEEL
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How do I buy a jersey from you Gene?  Do you have a website?

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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - 20 AUG 2012

 

   
     
     
      HI

How can i acess scotts points column what i really would like is the extra points days at sams town,i know about the 11x/7x on sunday this month but was told they have something most DAYS    TIA

GENE SCHEEL

SUNDANCE SPORTS

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RE: [vpFREE] vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - 20 AUG 2012

How do I buy a jersey from you Gene? Do you have a website?



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How can i acess scotts points column what i really would like is the extra points days at sams town,i know about the 11x/7x on sunday this month but was told they have something most DAYS TIA



GENE SCHEEL

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Re: [vpFREE] vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - 20 AUG 2012

 

HI
 
 How can i acess scotts points column what i really would like is the extra points days at sams town,i know about the 11x/7x on sunday this month but was told they have something most DAYS    TIA

GENE SCHEEL
SUNDANCE SPORTS


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[vpFREE] Re: Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions -- I don't get it

 

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> According to an article in today's paper, Golden Nugget in Atlantic City ordered a preshuffled bunch of cards to be used at baccarat, which I assume would be something like 8 or more decks, since that is normally used for that game. Players noticed the same order of cards coming out over and over and started betting high and then won 1.5 million. Now the casino doesn't want to pay them and they are suing, and the casino is suing Gemaco, the people who made the cards.
>

This is only "part 2" of this story. You should do a GOOGLE search for "unshuffled cards" + "Trump Taj Mahal". Their story happened first (Dec. 2011) and resulted in a $91K fine, and the firing of nearly 12 or 14 staff.

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[vpFREE] Unshuffled cards cost Golden Nugget millions -- I don't get it

 


According to an article in today's paper, Golden Nugget in Atlantic City ordered a preshuffled bunch of cards to be used at baccarat, which I assume would be something like 8 or more decks, since that is normally used for that game. Players noticed the same order of cards coming out over and over and started betting high and then won 1.5 million. Now the casino doesn't want to pay them and they are suing, and the casino is suing Gemaco, the people who made the cards.

This makes no sense to me. First, why would a casino order a preshuffled deck from somewhere else? They would have to shuffle the deck(s) again anyway after discarding. Secondly, whenever I've seen new decks brought into a game, the casino always spreads the decks and then checks them for manufacturing errors. Whether deck or decks were supposedly preshuffled or not, wouldn't the casino need to check them for manufacturing defects and thus see they weren't shuffled? Wouldn't the casino want to reshuffle even supposedly preshuffled decks? And why have them preshuffled anyway, for a onetime bonus of no shuffling...wouldn't you want to check the decks for defects, make sure the right number of cards were there, and then reshuffle?

Can anyone explain this part of the story? Makes no sense.

A new TV show called Cheating Vegas just focused on baccarat cheating from the Tran family, which involved dealers in cahoots with players to not shuffle part of the deck(s), which is understandable. But a casino ordering preshuffled cards just makes no sense to me.

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[vpFREE] Re: Coin Redemption

 


There are no TD banks on west coast and I believe they now require u to be an account holder for free coin counting.

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's Real Deals - 21 AUG 2012

 

Scot Krause's Real Deals - 21 AUG 2012

Orleans and Gold Coast among LV casinos giving away Pepsi

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[vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 21 AUG 2012

 

LVA Question of the Day - 21 AUG 2012

Q: "Today's News" on Aug. 9 disclosed the decline in
revenues for the Strip and downtown areas, but showed
significant increases in Reno and Lake Tahoe. What are
the reasons behind the figures?

Read the answer here:

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