Re: [vpFREE] Re: Pseudorandom number or just random - is there difference

 

Mickey are you sure this incident didn't happen when all SpinPokers were taken out of service nationwide?  I read there was a flaw where you could drop one coin into a SpinPoker machine and hit BET MAX and it would bet 45 coins.  All machines had to be fixed (chips changed?).

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On Aug 23, 2017, at 4:44 PM, mickeycrimm@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

When I was on a spin poker joker play in Ely, Nevada in 2006  Gaming ordered the installation of new chips in the spin pokers.  I asked the assistant casino manager why and his response was Gaming said the chips were getting to old. 

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Re: [vpFREE] Pseudorandom number or just random - is there difference

 

Slots and VP use "pseudorandom" number generators, which use a mathematical function to generate the numbers used to decide which cards come up in VP, or which payout you get in slots. The math function has to be carefully designed to give numbers that are, by various mathematical tests, essentially random. If the function is not properly designed, it can give non-random numbers

A true random number generator has to use physical processes that are not predictable. For example, you can use radioactive decay, or "white noise" in the atmosphere. See https://www.random.org/ for the latter.

If done properly, a pseudorandom generator (PRNG) is as good as a true random one for gaming purposes.

The Wired article that was linked here by nightoftheiguana is interesting, because it shows what happens if the PRNG is not well designed - which the hackers were able to determine because they had access to the software. There was a similar case where a player figured out that the PRNG in a video keno machine was reset every day and had predictable number draws at the start of each day, but he wasn't cheating - he did nothing to the game or use any computing tools.

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On 8/22/2017 11:15 AM, whitejeeps@yahoo.com [vpFREE] wrote:
 

I seem to remember reading, I think, VP random referred to as pseudorandom number generator.  Maybe I am remembering wrong.  Is it correct term, does it exist as the term or is it different than random as in a live

deck of cards as opposed to electronic deck of cards?

Cheers.....Jeep
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[vpFREE] Re: Pseudorandom number or just random - is there difference

 

When I was on a spin poker joker play in Ely, Nevada in 2006  Gaming ordered the installation of new chips in the spin pokers.  I asked the assistant casino manager why and his response was Gaming said the chips were getting to old. 

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[vpFREE] Re: Pseudorandom number or just random - is there difference

 

Hi there, 


Then pseudorandom & random are the same ??

Cheers.....

Before clicking response,  I looked up pseudorandom at Wikipedia. To me interesting info. 
Me thinks they not the same....

Cheers......Jeep

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[vpFREE] Re: Pseudorandom number or just random - is there difference

 

A slot is a slot is a slot, and vp is a type of slot. They all use pseudo-random number generators to simulate randomness. The difference is that in vp, you know there are 52 positions or cards (since most games are single deck, no jokers or extra cards) and each card is supposed to be equally weighted, meaning equal chances of appearing, in other words, one out of 52 for the first dealt card. In other types of slots, you don't know how many positions there are and you don't know how they have been weighted, but you can figure that out:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/jackpot-party/

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[vpFREE] Re: Pseudorandom number or just random - is there difference

 

Supposedly even a live deck of cards is not random unless it undergoes at least seven "perfect" riffle shuffles (and my own assessment of that assertion is, that if they are in fact "perfect" shuffles, then you should be able to track every card that you knew the location of before the shuffle - theoretically, if not in practice).

I'd be more concerned that the machine is not using a random number generator of any kind, i.e., the ones (and I've seen the classification discussed here, but can't remember it) that are more like a lottery in determining whether you'll get a winner or not.

I think there's more risk of a rigged machine than of one that is intended to be random by the manufacturer and the casino, but turns out not to be.

None of this is to say that the RNG can't be flawed (intentionally or by design flaw), or the machine rigged, or that most anything else that we wouldn't like, might not actually occur.

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3a. Pseudorandom number or just random - is there difference
    Date: Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:15 am ((PDT))

I seem to remember reading, I think, VP random referred to as pseudorandom number generator.  Maybe I am remembering wrong.  Is it correct term, does it exist as the term or is it different than random as in a live deck of cards as opposed to electronic deck of cards?


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I've been told that the LV mLife properties have 2x tier points in August.  Anyone have specific details?  (In particular, valid dates)


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