The cost per royal is about double on the Frank-n-Bob. Of course you could win a bigger royal than usual, but if you're cost sensitive you might want to think twice before kicking it up a notch. At least Frank-n-Bob and M have provided another option. Options are good. Maybe a 9-6 Double-Double-Bonus with 1% progressive would keep the 9=6 players happy?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> Well that's a tricky question to ask of me, since as most already know I have little to no experience with solo gambling.
>
> For near absolute safety: I recommend about a $20,000 bankroll (quarters) and at least 3 partners.
>
> I'm sure that's a completely absurd suggestion for a regular gambler that doesn't merely err on the side of caution but glues it to your eyeballs.
>
> I know you asked me, but how about one of you other solo gurus answer this. I'm too risk adverse and biased to give good advice on solo bankroll requirements.
>
> ~FK
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Frank <frank@>
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seats added at M
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 11:45 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > <<<......Note: Many of the games reach 102.5% in the low $3,000 range if you count cash-back, meter-rise, and mailer. Why is it that everyone seems to forget that all the perks apply to these games that apply to non-progressives and the meter goes up while you play???
> >
> > ~FK
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > Perhaps it's because as�"everyone" watches the meter rise, they are also watching their bankroll shrink at an alarming rate.
> > �
> > BTW, assuming play on one of the less volatile games, BP (96.87%) what would you suggest as a sensible bankroll to carry, to avoid risk of ruin? �That is, �if� the�player is determined to sit at the prog. bank until he, or someone else, hits the royal, on that game.
> > �
> > ~Babe
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
[vpFREE] Re: M. Prog. - Was: Seats added at M
RE: [vpFREE] Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 29 JUN 2011
I don't see anything on the Fitz website. Is it a mailed offer or open to the public? Thanks for any info.
Scot
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrick
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:35 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 29 JUN 2011
Fitzgeralds Is 5x on the 4th I think
RE: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
Horseshoe - Hammond IN. $1-50 line (No RF penalty if you play less than 50 hands.) has APDW (99.96%) and 8-5 Super Aces (99.94%). These are also now available again on $1/$2/$5 single line machines. (This might need a database update.) Also $1 9-6 jacks progressive.
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gene scheel
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:44 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I was 7* for 2 years and never was invited to a cruise went to a trerrible 7* event in Tuinica the food was set up in a room with hardly any seating and lines were very very long in fact i walked out of this one loudly complaining,was stopped by a suit who agreed with me and I was comped to a good dinner at the horseshoe steak house and this was the only good part of it and airfare was not included and so since it cost me over 20k in losing to make it figured for that much was not even close to be worth it,sounds like there has been some inprovements but still with the terrible paytables I dont think its worth it at least for me but if i could win like the coach i guess it would be.
To the people who said there was some good VP paytables outside of Vegas could you tell me where and if u dont want everybody to know please e mail be at my addy thanks
GENE SCHEEL
SUNDANCE SPORTS
From: vp_wiz <harry.porter@verizon.net <mailto:harry.porter%40verizon.net> >
Rob, I'd hope you know that I wouldn't pay up $5 for the sake of "celebrity".
I'll be the first one to suggest that for some, there isn't anything about 7* to aspire to. But for many, particularly to those who are playing the stronger Harrah's paytables that can be found in a number of venues outside of LV, if they would find that they play up to 70K tier credits as a norm, it's a no-brainer to stretch one's play to 100K to achieve 7* status.
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[vpFREE] Seven stars
These people should be rewarded with the highest possible service since they can never recoup their losses from CE with the available pay tables. CE should split the event to increase service. Keep these people happy so they will continue to donate should be the corporation's goal.
[vpFREE] Re: M. Prog. - Was: Seats added at M
Well that's a tricky question to ask of me, since as most already know I have little to no experience with solo gambling.
For near absolute safety: I recommend about a $20,000 bankroll (quarters) and at least 3 partners.
I'm sure that's a completely absurd suggestion for a regular gambler that doesn't merely err on the side of caution but glues it to your eyeballs.
I know you asked me, but how about one of you other solo gurus answer this. I'm too risk adverse and biased to give good advice on solo bankroll requirements.
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:
>
> From: Frank <frank@...>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seats added at M
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 11:45 PM
>
>
>
> <<<......Note: Many of the games reach 102.5% in the low $3,000 range if you count cash-back, meter-rise, and mailer. Why is it that everyone seems to forget that all the perks apply to these games that apply to non-progressives and the meter goes up while you play???
>
> ~FK
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Perhaps it's because as "everyone" watches the meter rise, they are also watching their bankroll shrink at an alarming rate.
>
> BTW, assuming play on one of the less volatile games, BP (96.87%) what would you suggest as a sensible bankroll to carry, to avoid risk of ruin? That is, if the player is determined to sit at the prog. bank until he, or someone else, hits the royal, on that game.
>
> ~Babe
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[vpFREE] Re: M. Prog. - Was: Seats added at M
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:
>
>
> You just said it in your post. Who the hell wants to wait 3-4 million hands to see a difference. Most people here are rec players and may never get to that many hands in their career. Any non pro doesn't want to be down 40000 coins.
<snip>
I don't know any pros who want to be down 40,000 coins either. But that's the reality of these progressives, and it's also the reality of video poker, period, no matter what game you're playing. Running good in the short term is statistically insignificant.
Patricia asked a question of Frank. She specifically asked what would be a reasonable bankroll to avoid risk of ruin on one of the "less volatile" games like 6-5 Bonus Poker (96.86%). I tried to suggest that the best way to be prepared mentally for what might happen would be to run some high speed simulations on WinPoker and see what happens. Take it for a test drive. That way there should be no surprises.
Re: [vpFREE] Re: Seats added at M
From: Frank <frank@progressivevp.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seats added at M
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 10:06 AM
<<<.......... It is only just recently that I'm fully realizing how DIFFERENTLY we all think, and how SIMILAR that makes us!
Good luck out there and I hope you have "fun".
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote: A whole bunch of good stuff!
----------------------------------------------------------
Thanks, Frank! Nicely said.
I intend to have lots of "fun" later this week at the South Point. I may also take the short journey to The M one day, and utilize my FP plus a Bennie from my wallet, making a pot-shot-prog-play. {{O:
I'll let you know how that works out.
~Babe
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[vpFREE] Re: M. Prog. - Was: Seats added at M
You just said it in your post. Who the hell wants to wait 3-4 million hands to see a difference. Most people here are rec players and may never get to that many hands in their career. Any non pro doesn't want to be down 40000 coins. Lets say some people here played a million hands, on quarter poker, a year, for 3 years, perfectly, with about 1.25% advantage. This would only be a little over $45k or so in profit if you had a proper mathematical curve. That is a big if. Rec players dont want to worry about Risk of Ruin they want to have a good time and a good shot. Some people here act as if this board is a poker pro only hangout and that is definitely not the only audience here.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@> wrote:
> >
>
> > Perhaps it's because as "everyone" watches the meter rise, they are also watching their bankroll shrink at an alarming rate.
> >
> > BTW, assuming play on one of the less volatile games, BP (96.87%) what would you suggest as a sensible bankroll to carry, to avoid risk of ruin? That is, if the player is determined to sit at the prog. bank until he, or someone else, hits the royal, on that game.
> >
>
>
> First of all, one royal on these machines is not going to set one up on easy street for the remainder of one's life. On the contrary, as soon as you hit one you could easily watch it go right back down the drain, all $3000 of it.
>
> This is really quite an easy thing to prepare oneself for, and assuming that most people on this board already have WinPoker they could easily prepare themselves mentally by doing several high speed simulations. Go ahead and set up WinPoker, and then run a million hands, and watch what happens. And then do it again, and again, and again. You will see that going DOWN 40,000 coins is not that difficult to do. But guess what, at the end of 3 or 4 million hands, you're probably going to be sitting pretty with a very healthy profit. And that's the way it works. There is no way to get around it.
>
> Variance is YOUR FRIEND!
>
[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 1 JUL 2011
Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 1 JUL 2011
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[vpFREE] Re: Seats added at M
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. If I'm ever going to learn how better to serve the needs of non-pros, it's posts like yours that I need file away in the old noggin. This brought up something I've been meaning to say for a while:
I don't really expect, even for a second, to convert anyone over to how I think of things. I just feel it's useful to share my point of view to create a better level of understanding between pros and the recreational gambling community.
20 years ago when I was still running a "real team" many recreational players hated pros, because they thought of them as criminals and low life scum (jealousy may also have played a factor) . Many of the pros despised the recs because they had such contempt for people they perceived as stupid.
The reality is that people do things for very different reasons which neither makes them bad or stupid. It is very often hard for people with different motivations to see it from the perspective of others.
Most of the pros I know are extremely honest hard working people with families to feed. Most of the recreational players I know are in the same category, just not when it comes to gambling, which for them is only a hobby.
It is only just recently that I'm fully realizing how DIFFERENTLY we all think, and how SIMILAR that makes us!
Good luck out there and I hope you have "fun".
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote: A whole bunch of good stuff!
[vpFREE] Re: Gambling With an Edge June 30th
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> The show will be posting after noon today due to a delay at the radio station in sending me the broadcast. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> I thought it was one of our best shows.
>
I thought it was. I enjoyed the interview very much.
One thing that was mentioned was a comparison of blackjack pros to poker pros, I think he was quoting Cat Hulbert. He said that the "quality" of people in the poker business is vastly different. I can attest to that. I have hung around the cardrooms in Los Angeles since I was a teen, and I can tell you personally that nothing else has been such an eye-opening study of how rotten people can be. lol I dunno, maybe a stint in the House of Representatives might come close.
[vpFREE] Re: Gambling With an Edge June 30th
The show will be posting after noon today due to a delay at the radio station in sending me the broadcast. Sorry for the inconvenience.
I thought it was one of our best shows.
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
>
> We will be having on Richard W. Munchkin to talk about his amazing book Gambling Wizards, where he interviews many of the worlds greatest gamblers from all different disciplines. I'm just finishing it now, and I can tell you it's one of the best books on gambling I've ever read.
>
> Our Live Air-Time is: 7 PM Thursday nights on KLAV Talk-Radio 1230am In Las Vegas. You can listen live at: http://www.klav1230am.com/
>
> As always you can download it after the fact at www.progressivevp.com and www.bobdancer.com.
>
> ~FK
>
[vpFREE] Re: M. Prog. - Was: Seats added at M
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:
>
> Perhaps it's because as "everyone" watches the meter rise, they are also watching their bankroll shrink at an alarming rate.
>
> BTW, assuming play on one of the less volatile games, BP (96.87%) what would you suggest as a sensible bankroll to carry, to avoid risk of ruin? That is, if the player is determined to sit at the prog. bank until he, or someone else, hits the royal, on that game.
>
First of all, one royal on these machines is not going to set one up on easy street for the remainder of one's life. On the contrary, as soon as you hit one you could easily watch it go right back down the drain, all $3000 of it.
This is really quite an easy thing to prepare oneself for, and assuming that most people on this board already have WinPoker they could easily prepare themselves mentally by doing several high speed simulations. Go ahead and set up WinPoker, and then run a million hands, and watch what happens. And then do it again, and again, and again. You will see that going DOWN 40,000 coins is not that difficult to do. But guess what, at the end of 3 or 4 million hands, you're probably going to be sitting pretty with a very healthy profit. And that's the way it works. There is no way to get around it.
Variance is YOUR FRIEND!
[vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
my seven stars event experience was a mix of good and bad, but i did encounter several service mishaps, chief among them:
* a 45 minute wait at check-in (friday, 1 PM)
* a poorly assembled welcome packet that was missing brunch coupons and a spa coupon; i heard from at least a half a dozen others staying at all four properties who had similar problems.
* a mad scene at mia's for brunch on sunday, with people yelling and screaming and demanding to be seated; the problem was those welcome packets... those that had brunch coupons missing were given new coupons with all brunch venues listed... they were told to go anywhere they liked at any time, even though they didn't have a reservation. chaos!
* a 45 minute wait for the seven stars shuttle bus from showboat to harrah's, while three "regular" TR shuttles passed us by. (the only transportation that seemed to work well was the direct service between caesars and harrah's. i never waited more than five minutes for that! if you were trying to get to/from any other property, however, there was a long wait. we ultimately shared a cab with another couple.)
* a 40 minute wait to get into the new seven stars lounge at caesars. to their credit, they were taking cell phone numbers and calling people when a spot opened up. but the servers were ill prepared to handle the crush of people and were dropping plates of food and drinks, left and right. to be fair, it's brand new (opened the day before) and the demand on a weekend like this was enormous.
* confusion about the apple gift card promo. widely promoted as running "thursday through sunday," the fine print said that the qualifying earning period actually ended at 6 AM sunday. well, folks, sunday's gaming day actually begins at 6AM, so it's wrong to advertise the promo as being available "thursday through sunday!" needless to say, my play on sunday morning did not qualify for the promo. hey, it's my own damn fault for not looking at the fine print, but even so, is it really accurate to say a gaming promotion runs thursday to sunday, when no part of sunday's gaming day is included?
* this was not a service mishap, but i just have to say... the in-room gift placement each night was a little lackluster: a very small box of high end chocolates and a plastic tub of caramel popcorn. (how do you run an event in atlantic city and NOT offer your guests salt water taffy?) nothing beats the box of chocolate that was delivered to our room at the last signature event at caesars palace in las vegas. it was an over the top sampler from the francois payard shop and was easily worth about $200 retail.
on the plus side...
* we got our preferred corner centurion ocean view room, but that had a lot to do with caesars AC being my dominant property and the good relationships i have with the VIP check-in staff.
* the "outdoor bash" at bally's was one of the finest parties of this type i've ever been to. lobster tail, lobster roll, oysters, mahi mahi tacos, ginormous shrimp, salads, desserts, free flowing champagne (moet) and a live band (along with a marginal celebrity appearance). curiously, this event was not that well attended... i never saw more than two hundred people there.
* they're learning... they ditched the costly and unnecessary metal portfolios that contained the welcome packets at the last seven stars event in favor of simple printed folders.
* while not really relevant to the seven sig event experience, we enjoyed our time at the beach very much (complimentary umbrellas and chairs) and the weather was unbelievably cooperative.
i've been to a few of these now, and all-in-all, i really do think AC does it better than most... much better than vegas, where the emphasis is almost always exclusively on gaming. in AC, there were two shows, three parties, a slot or golf tournament, a spa treatment, shopping dollars and food coupons... and the beach... plenty to keep you actively engaged in non-gaming pursuits.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
> * My bottom line take: Even factoring your more sour experience, given the fine time we had with the sponsored events during our stay, I'd be hard pressed to rate the overall trip any worse than a B+. I have to anticipate most fared better than you, and can indeed assign Harrah's/CE a "A" of some magnitude for the weekend.
[vpFREE] JUL 2011 vpFREE Lunch @ Gold Coast
JUL 2011 vpFREE Lunch @ Gold Coast
The JUL vpFREE lunch is scheduled for Saturday 16 JUL at the
Gold Coast Buffet at 11:30 AM. Meet at the buffet entrance.
This is an informal, non-hosted, Dutch treat lunch, and
there's the possibility that no one will show up. Anyone
planning to attend should post an RSVP on vpFREE for
coordination purposes.
Anyone who agrees to host/attend a monthly lunch can select
a different location for that month's lunch, if they notify
me before the first of the month.
In addition, a vpFREE lunch (or dinner) will be scheduled
whenever any member volunteers to be a host and posts the
time and location details on vpFREE. Interested attendees
should RSVP on vpFREE.
Notes: Gold Coast may require a mandatory tip in advance for
larger groups who want to sit together. Buffets are usually
more expensive and lines are usually longer on weekends and
holidays. Send any pictures to me and I'll post a link to
them.
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Probables / Possibles for 16 JUL:
None, so far.