Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 16 DEC 2014

 

>I agree that there isn't a bankroll concern, but when a play is considered to be good over a well defined long run as it was here, and when that long run will not be reached, again as well defined here, then why play it ?
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>It seems to me that if you aren't likely to complete enough cycles to get the average return, and the edge isn't large to begin with why play it.
>We were given lots of good reasons not to play it, but I saw no good reasons to play it. I just want to know the logic behind the decision.
>
>A.P.

The "long run" is never "reached." The expected result, in percentage
terms, is generally more closely approached as the number of trials
increases.

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Re: [vpFREE] Digest Number 8880

 

Jim-We could not agree more.  Last year we went to Harrah's Tunica, but they closed that property.  This year we were looking at Atlantic City because we have never been there, but $25-$50 per point makes that trip about as likely as life on the moon. 

Like you, we enjoy the amenities of diamond and the variety of properties. Given the 99%+ paytables Caesars has remaining, we are still even willing to pay for the privilege of diamond status and are giving them a minimum of $150K of play though to do so.  But like you, once the remaining 99.54% JOB and 99.17% BP options under a dollar are done, and once they go beyond $10 per point, we are history.  It's just not THAT good, and as you say there are lots of other options out there that offer the same or better paytables with better cashback and bounceback than Caesars.
I understand they are on the verge of bankruptcy, but continuing the cutbacks that alienate the players that are left keeping them afloat isn't their way out.

rob 

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Digest #8880 1a Re: Best Low Roller Place to Make Diamond Status in 2015 by "Jim Engstrom" jimengstrom1 1b Re: Best Low Roller Place to Make Diamond Status in 2015 by "BLavoie" blavoie46
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Re: Best Low Roller Place to Make Diamond Status in 2015

Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:06 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Jim Engstrom" jimengstrom1
A couple of months ago that was still true at Harrahs Reno.  4 machines at the single play quarter level and numerous machines scattered around the casino at the 1 dollar level. As a result, my wife and I now go to Reno instead of Las Vegas from our East coast residence when we are building Total Rewards points for our desired level, in our case Diamond. In case this post is being read by a decision maker in Caesar's Entertainment management, we will continue to do so as long as 9/6 JOB play remains available at the quarter and dollar levels.  If it goes away, so will we.Also, if 9/6 JOB machines reappear at Vegas properties, we'll reappear there as well.  In the meantime, when we visit Las Vegas, we'll be gambling elsewhere. We really enjoy the variety of casino locations around the country offered by Caesar's Entertainment, but when and if the time comes that 99% +, VP opportunities disappear at the quarter and dollar levels, we will disappear as well. As long as Station's, Boyd's and Coast properties (as well as several others) continue to offer superior paytables, that's where you'll find us. Jim 

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Cleveland was still $10 per point as of Thanksgiving for single line $1.

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As of Nov. 17, NOLA was still $10 a point.

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> On Dec 13, 2014, at 10:18 AM, rreid01@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> After reviewing (I think) all of the Caesar's- Harrah' s casinos around the country I found three places that still offer 99.54% JOB and 99.17% BP for stakes at a dollar or less and still seem to be $10/point. The three were:
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> Harrah's Reno
> Harrah's Lake Tahoe
> Harrah's Resort California
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> All of the other of these games that I could find in other locations have been changed to either $25 or $50 per point.
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> Can anyone confirm that these locations do in fact still retain $10/point for these games?
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Re: Best Low Roller Place to Make Diamond Status in 2015

Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:51 am (PST) . Posted by:

"BLavoie" blavoie46
Well said Jim. Echoes our sentiments exactly.

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On Mon, 12/15/14, Jim Engstrom jimengstrom1@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

....In case this post is being read by a decision maker in Caesar' s Entertainment  management,
we will continue to do so as long as 9/6 JOB play remains available at the quarter and dollar levels.  If it goes away, so will we.Also, if 9/6 JOB machines reappear at Vegas properties, we'll reappear there as well.  In the meantime, when we visit Las Vegas, we'll be gambling elsewhere. We really enjoy the variety of casino locations around the country offered by Caesar's Entertainment, but when and if the time comes that 99% +, VP opportunities disappear at the quarter and dollar levels, we will disappear as well. As long as Station' s, Boyd's and Coast properties (as well as several others) continue to offer superior paytables, that's where you'll find us. Jim 


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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 16 DEC 2014

 

I agree that there isn't a bankroll concern, but when a play is considered to be good over a well defined long run as it was here, and when that long run will not be reached, again as well defined here, then why play it ?

It seems to me that if you aren't likely to complete enough cycles to get the average return, and the edge isn't large to begin with why play it.
We were given lots of good reasons not to play it, but I saw no good reasons to play it. I just want to know the logic behind the decision.

A.P.

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Why does he play it AP? His bankroll is enormous compared to mine and is likely to be more than yours. The answer however is simple "an edge is an edge".

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 16 DEC 2014

 

Why does he play it AP? His bankroll is enormous compared to mine and is likely to be more than yours. The answer however is simple "an edge is an edge".

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Re: [vpFREE] Plaza Offer

 

A lot of the casino marketing people are idiots. The other reason could be that they see there are going to be a lot of empty rooms, so they are sending out offers to people that they may not ordinarily send offers to. Based on my past experience with the Plaza I'd go with number 1.

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  I just received a room offer from Plaza; 3 nights in a deluxe room, $10 in free slot play per night and $10 meal credit per night. Offer good from October 1 through December 31, 2014 (not good on holidays and can be used on multiple trips). Two weeks before this offer expires and now I get it??? Why wasn't this sent out three months ago?

This offer came very late but why do casino's wait until the last minute before sending offers? Out of town people need to plan ahead for their trips and it doesn't seem that casino's understand that.


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[vpFREE] Plaza Offer

 

I just received a room offer from Plaza; 3 nights in a deluxe room, $10 in free slot play per night and $10 meal credit per night. Offer good from October 1 through December 31, 2014 (not good on holidays and can be used on multiple trips). Two weeks before this offer expires and now I get it??? Why wasn't this sent out three months ago?

This offer came very late but why do casino's wait until the last minute before sending offers? Out of town people need to plan ahead for their trips and it doesn't seem that casino's understand that.



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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 16 DEC 2014

 

A very interesting column. You certainly convinced my why it's not as good a play as it might seem.I guess the only question that remains is - Why do you play it ? A.P.
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  Bob Dancer's LVA - 16 DEC 2014

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[vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 16 DEC 2014

 

Bob Dancer's LVA - 16 DEC 2014

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2014/1216.cfm

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[vpFREE] Point changes at the Majestic Star (Gary IN)

 

I have checked all 18 machines on both boats that have less than $5 NSUD (And many other 99%+ games.)
All of them are $35 per point. I have updated the database for this. (This is not posted on any of these machines.)

Also the value of a point has gone down. I still have not gotten an answer on this. I have not been able to run a sufficient test but it is clearly not better than half the old rate so I have currently adjusted the database to that. (It could well be worse though at 0.0143% on 99%+ games, that would still be pretty bad!)

Also looks like NO discretionary comps so I have changed the database for that to.

It also looks like any comps on the books at 11/1/14 were destroyed. (Seems unethical to me!)

It looks like they are concentrating on drawings and also very limited bounce back "promo" cash.

All in all it looks like the Majestic Star is trying as hard as it can to anger it's customers and may soon have very few. (It was practically a ghost town today!)

Thanks to everyone that posted info related to the above.

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's Real Deals - 16 DEC 2014

 

Scot Krause's Real Deals - 16 DEC 2014

Las Vegas Casino bargains and promotions

http://gamingtoday.com/articles/article/50930-Pick_the_Pros_at_50k_high#.VJBXLSvF98E

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http://goo.gl/kfrRe8

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