[vpFREE] Re: Again, important to keep track of points at Harrahs properties

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Misscraps <misscraps@...> wrote:
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>. Hard to say if the normal multiplier counts as a trip when it hits your account too.
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Judging by my recent offers and the last activity date listed on their website, I do think playing on multiplier dates now halves your daily average. Also while their play day appears to run until 6 AM, I have noticed play after midnight adds a play day on the website and therefore may very well reduce daily average too. If anyone has recent contradictory proof, I would love to be corrected.

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[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 5 JAN 2012

 

Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 5 JAN 2012

"Finding Good Plays"

http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=1750

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[vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Rincon buffet promotion

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
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> Signs at Harrah's Rincon say that starting in January, earning 25 points($250 coin in on VP) will earn a free buffet every Sunday through Thursday. >>>

Another bonehead move by Caesars' management! The lines are very long. Can you imagine $250 coin in for a $28 dinner buffet! Even the Diamond lines are long. Feed the fleas and chase away the VIP's.

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[vpFREE] Re: Another One Bites the Dust

 

So I walk into a bar one night. Six machines. I punch the game up on all six to see where the icons and the meters are at. The 10-Spot was at $500+ on all six machines. Whoopee!! One of them was 3 to go, the rest were 4 to go. But at $500 it's a huge play even if you have to fill all five icons. I sat down on the 3 to go and spun it off. Guess what happened? The meter reset at $500 instead of $100.

I had to do some thinking about how to handle the situation. It was a Mom & Pop joint. But their machines got lots of action. Did I want to crush it or milk it? Playing straight thru it was a 121.7% play. A $150 an hour play running just $700 an hour in action.

Of the six machines, the highest meter was $512. With a 4% meter that told me that the game was getting hardly any action at all. But I had no idea how long the meter glitch had been there.

I spun another play off that night--feeding $20 bills in as I ran out of credits to keep the cashout as low as possible. I wanted to attract as little attention as possible.

I would go in every 2 or three days and spin a play off. I tracked the meters to insure I was the only one playing the game. After I collected the jackpot I would push the meter up to $500.15. If I left the meter on a flat $500, then I wouldn't know if someone else was playing the game, and leaving the meter on a a flat $500. This went on for several months. I never saw meter movement of more than a few dollars at a time--and no one was putting in free icons for me. I had the game to myself.

A one cycle session was about 3100 games, or a little over two hours a play, with an earn of $337. Then one day the slot techs walked in and installed a new game on the machines. In the process the meters started resetting at $100. Another one bites the dust.

That hurt me in more ways than one. Because they installed that game in every machine in the state. In the process it wiped out all the built up icons. The progressive money remained but the icons were blanked out.

I kept a list of potential plays in my notebook. It looked something like this:

Jackpot Junction....10-Spot....3 to go....$190
Mardi Gras....7-Spot....2 to go....$250

So the next time I was in that area I would go and check to see if someone popped an icon in or ran the meter up to where it was a play. Then those &&$%*((^) blanked the icons out on me. It took several months before I started getting plays again.

NOTE: I benefitted from both short coiners and long coiners. A short coiner was anyone who played less than a fifty cent bet. They didn't fill icons but they ran the meters up. At 50 cents a game I was putting 2 cents per game in the meter. But a long coiner, betting $1 per game put 4 cents per game in the meter, at $2 he was putting 8 cents per game in the meter.

ANOTHER NOTE: Montana Gaming is pretty lax compared to Nevada. In Nevada, wiping those icons out would be "altering the outcome of a game."

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[vpFREE] VegasInc: Two more Southern Nevada hotels default on debt

 

VegasInc: Two more Southern Nevada hotels default on debt

http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2012/jan/05/two-more-southern-nevada-hotels-default-debt/

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 4 JAN 2012

 

Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 4 JAN 2012

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/greatdeals-slotpromotions.cfm

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming

 

My experience is based on the Hollywood casino in Charlestown.  Nice to see that Charleston has $5 craps tables.  How many times odds do they allow?  Odds are the bread n butter of craps tables. Very easy to find 10X odds or better in Vegas, MS,and LA.  I have relatives who live about 5 miles from Charlestown and we visit them 5 plus times a year.  Sure would be nice to also visit Hollywood if the VP or craps were better.
 


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From: Laura Polley <Knit30@aol.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming


 


Slots and VP here in WV are very bad, that is the truth. Not worth your investment.

However, I deal at Mardi Gras near Charleston, and while we do have $25 blackjack games, we also have a whole pit full of $5, $10 and $15 games running all the time, 24/7.

Also poker variations, like 3 card, let it ride and four card. Roulette $5. Craps is $5 and you can do well, but it is true that the odds are severely limited. We have a huge poker room too.

Laura

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From: Robert Romanyshyn <bobfpdw@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming

Forget about West Virginia. By statute, slots/VP have between an 85% min to 95% max payout. Re table games, $25 min and craps is capped @ 2X odds.

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:12 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Deadwood to Cripple Creek to Albuquerque to Laughlin.

> I can't help but wonder how much opportunity there is out there at these new venues, that is not listed on VPFree. I wish I were able to travel, but I'm not. I just wonder how many good machines and decent slot club and promos and mailers are out there in places like Oklahoma > and West Virginia, etc.

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[vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming

 



I've played at Mardi Gras, and it was the worst experience I've had. The VP is a joke. There are 3 odd VP games offered on multigame machines: JOB, Aces, and something with 4 of a kinds. The machines are penny machines, max bet brings it to $2 per hand, and that gives you a $1500 royal if you hit it. There are familiar slots, but they do NOT play the same as you're used to. Majority of games are pennies and nickels, but if you do venture in there pay attention, as max bet is very high on a number of the machines which leads to alot of pissed off people when they hit max bet and $25 is gone.
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[vpFREE] Re: Another One Bites the Dust

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "TIMSPEED" <corvetteracing87@...> wrote:
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> Seriously, where the &%*%@# do you find plays like this? They must be >at random bars and shit like that?
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In order to find plays like this I think you have to be a high school drop-out, thumb bummin', day laboring, train ridin' no good driftin' idiot-with an aptitude in math-- thats got nothing better to do but roam around the country looking for stuff like that. A Nevada casino hustler in the outback? Watch out!!!

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[vpFREE] Re: Another One Bites the Dust

 

I've been asked to discuss why the game got pulled so here goes.

In Montana a licensed establishment can have a maximum of only 20 machines. So each machine had both keno and poker games. On the machines that had the game on it, there were a dozen keno games and 6 video poker games. Then video line games got legalized. So now you have three choices on each machine, keno, poker, lines games. I suspect the game got pulled to make room for the line games. It was my observance that the game wound up being one of the lowest grossing games for the house.

They put the game on a little over 4 years ago. It was in the bottom right hand corner of the game selection screen with a little symbol that said "new game." This attracted attention and the game initially got lots of action. I hadn't gotten around to analyzing the game yet. I generally stay backed up on analyzing games.

But I was in a joint on another play one day. Someone walked up to the machine beside me and punched the game up. From my peripheral I seen him looking at something at the top of the screen. He didn't find anything and left. So I slid over to see what he was looking for. I seen the little icons and went "uh oh!!" I went through the game rules and everything, checked the meter speeds--I found the 4% meters on the 7 and 10 spots.

Then I went home and crunched the math. It was a lot of work because I had to do everything from the 5-Spot up to the 10-Spot. I had to figure out the Bonus Round, a game within the game, and what it was worth. Luckily, it was worth the same, 9 bets, no matter how many spots I was playing. There were just different frequencies for getting into the Bonus Round. For instance, the 7-Spot frequency was 102 and the 10-Spot frequency was 128.

I created par numbers and listed them in my pocket notebook. Then I went out to see what I could find. I found a lot. The game was new and getting action. I did little else but play that particular game. I knocked the whole state down.

After that initial rush the plays were less frequent but I was still getting them. But after about 6 months action on the game waned. The one thing a square bettor notices is how fast his/her money is disappearing. Depending on the number of spots I was playing, I was fading an 18% to 28% drop to collect the jackpot. This was the kind of drop the square bettors were fading too....but so many of them didn't make up for it on the end by collecting the jackpot. So action dwindled down....but the game continued to add to my bottom line for 4 years.

There were some interesting things that happened along the way. Sometimes I would find a meter way out of wack. Like a 6-Spot with no icons filled in but the meter is at $500+. This was huge so I would spin them off--all the while hoping that the meter reset way higher than the $100 it was supposed to reset at. No luck there, but eventually, I walked into a joint one day....

to be continued.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming

 


Slots and VP here in WV are very bad, that is the truth. Not worth your investment.

However, I deal at Mardi Gras near Charleston, and while we do have $25 blackjack games, we also have a whole pit full of $5, $10 and $15 games running all the time, 24/7.

Also poker variations, like 3 card, let it ride and four card. Roulette $5. Craps is $5 and you can do well, but it is true that the odds are severely limited. We have a huge poker room too.

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Romanyshyn <bobfpdw@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming

Forget about West Virginia. By statute, slots/VP have between an 85% min to 95% max payout. Re table games, $25 min and craps is capped @ 2X odds.

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:12 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Deadwood to Cripple Creek to Albuquerque to Laughlin.


> I can't help but wonder how much opportunity there is out there at these new venues, that is not listed on VPFree. I wish I were able to travel, but I'm not. I just wonder how many good machines and decent slot club and promos and mailers are out there in places like Oklahoma > and West Virginia, etc.

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[vpFREE] Re: Another One Bites the Dust

 

Seriously, where the fuck do you find plays like this? They must be at random bars and shit like that?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> At 1% the 6-Spot had the slowest meter.
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> The 7-Spot had a 4% meter that started at $100. You filled an icon in by hitting 6/7. I used par numbers that I carried around in my pocket notebook to figure where I was at on a play. For instance, a 7-Spot, two icons to go at $310 was exactly a 10% overlay. So if the meter was at $400 I would divide the extra 180 bets by the 6/7 frequency times two (1366 X 2 = 2732)which made it a 116.6% play through filling the rest of the icons in.
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> The 8-Spot only had a 2% meter that started at $100. You filled an icon in by hitting 6/8. The frequency is 422.5. $50 per icon was an 8% overlay. So if it was two to go at $130 it was a 115.1% play.
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> The 10-Spot had a 4% meter. You filled an icon in by hitting 7/10, frequency is 621.7. This was the real gravy train play. 10% overlay at $78 per icon. So a 10-Spot 1 to go at $350 was a 198% play. At 2 to go it was a 141% play, at three to go it was a 122% play. At 4 to go it was a 113% play.
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> Putting the machine on turbo speed meant getting out 1400 games per hour--that's $700 an hour in action. Lumping all the plays together I operated with about a 30% edge. Which meant my time was worth about $210 an hour on $700 an hour in action. Of course, that's just seat time. I spent considerable time looking for the plays, but the overall hourly rate was still pretty good.
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