Re: [vpFREE] Newbie & Strategy

 

These are the cards you HOLD in order of relevance.

Thus if you have Ks Qs 10s 9d 9c, you have a pair, but you also have 3 to a Royal.
Since the 3 to the Royal is higher on the list, you keep it, instead of the pair.

If instead you have Ks Qs 10s Ad Ac you have a HIGH pair, but you also have 3 to a Royal.
Since the High pair is higher on the list, you keep it, instead of the 3 to the Royal.

Let me know if that helped.

Jim

On Apr 2, 2013, at 10:59 PM, "DereckC" <dereckbc@cableone.net> wrote:

> Looking at Wizzard of Odds JOB Strategy makes no sense to me. I do not get what it is saying. Here is what I see:
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> 1. Four of a kind, straight flush, royal flush
> 2. 4 to a royal flush
> 3. Three of a kind, straight, flush, full house
> 4. 4 to a straight flush
> 5. Two pair
> 6. High pair
> 7. 3 to a royal flush
> 8. 4 to a flush
> 9. Low pair
> 10. 4 to an outside straight
> 11. 2 suited high cards
> 12. 3 to a straight flush
> 13. 2 unsuited high cards (if more than 2 then pick the lowest 2)
> 14. Suited 10/J, 10/Q, or 10/K
> 15. One high card
> 16. Discard everything
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> For example if I get dealt say a Low Pair (#9). Where does it state what to do? I am missing something.
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[vpFREE] XVP Re: In room safe

 



Gold Coast was a no when I stayed there on a comp-however they just went thru a room update program.
I would call and ask. If not-the cage at any casino you are staying at will provide you with a safe deposit box complimentary available 24-7(just don't lose the key :) $$$ and a lot of hassle.

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[vpFREE] Newbie & Strategy

 

Looking at Wizzard of Odds JOB Strategy makes no sense to me. I do not get what it is saying. Here is what I see:

1. Four of a kind, straight flush, royal flush
2. 4 to a royal flush
3. Three of a kind, straight, flush, full house
4. 4 to a straight flush
5. Two pair
6. High pair
7. 3 to a royal flush
8. 4 to a flush
9. Low pair
10. 4 to an outside straight
11. 2 suited high cards
12. 3 to a straight flush
13. 2 unsuited high cards (if more than 2 then pick the lowest 2)
14. Suited 10/J, 10/Q, or 10/K
15. One high card
16. Discard everything

For example if I get dealt say a Low Pair (#9). Where does it state what to do? I am missing something.

Thanks

Dereck

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[vpFREE] Re: Luck versus Skill question for Iguana and Texas Hold'em players

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ggman444" <gleng4444@...> wrote:
>On the other side, the machine will bluff with nothing throughout the hand (but not very often at the end) and (with cards still to come) will semi-bluff with stuff as weak as an inside straight draw.

google.com/search?q=three+barrel+bluffing

Other useful terms:
google.com/search?q=continuation+betting
google.com/search?q=river+betting
google.com/search?q=reading+the+board
google.com/search?q=donk+betting
google.com/search?q=poker+ranges

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[vpFREE] Re: Luck versus Skill question for Iguana and Texas Hold'em players

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ggman444" <gleng4444@...> wrote:
>When the machine folded pre-Flop, it always had unsuited hands like 9-2, 10-3 and similar -- but it OCCASIONALLY raised pre-flop with those hands. The only pre-Flop fold with a face card I saw was unsuited Q-4.

It's got some kind of ratio, like for Q4o maybe 90% raise and 10% fold. On the button it's doing something like raise 80% and fold 20% and off the button it's doing something like reraise 33% and fold 5% and call the rest. Occasionally it just checks on the button, which always means something, you should keep track of what that means and play accordingly. If you just call on the button, it thinks you're weak and raises maybe 90%, which gives you a chance to reraise. Eventually it should figure out what you're up to (check-raising your best hands, right?), but then again maybe not, keep in mind it's just a bunch of nuts and bolts and overheated axle grease, not human. A lot of people claim it doesn't adapt to your play, which would seem to be a serious weakness, but I think it does eventually adapt, but it is slow about it, so hopefully by that time you have taken countermeasures, now checking your weak hands and bluffing out on the flop. Slow to adapt should also be a weakness. Also if you constantly check-raise your best hands, your raised hands become weaker, and the bot might figure that out and exploit as well, you always want to be on the lookout for any sneak attacks on your other ranges. Keep observing how it plays and pay attention to variations, some are just random, some are just to throw you off your game, but others are important.

>On the other side, the machine will bluff with nothing throughout the hand (but not very often at the end) and (with cards still to come) will semi-bluff with stuff as weak as an inside straight draw. It's hard for someone accustomed to 9-10 player games to call those bets without having some kind of hand. I probably should have RE-raised more often when I instead either called or folded.

You should reraise your best hands for value, and then bluff reraise a certain amount of junk such that the machine gets the same odds whether it calls or folds, that way it can't just put you on a strong hand anytime you reraise. Adjust the amount of bluff reraising to its fold frequency, if it folds a lot you should raise junk more, if it starts calling a lot you should raise junk less, and so on. It really does not like calling (so it's a bully?), and you can exploit that, but eventually I think it learns that it needs to do some calling, not just raise or fold. Try to call down (get in cheap) the middle hands (low pair, reasonable kickers) for value.

> I hope that those observations help someone. I do intend to play the game again and would enjoy communicating with anyone who's similarly stubborn.

There you go, trust me, you don't need to be an expert head's up player, however you do need to know your way around slots and slot club systems. That radio show archive I posted earlier about the former pit boss turned machine pro was mostly about problems with slots and slot clubs (like the crazy M-Life) than about expert heads up poker. From what I see a lot of poker room regulars don't like this machine, because they have no clue about how to play slots and the kinds of insane angle shooting and just plain cheating that casinos use against slot players, or aren't flexible enough to gamble outside of their comfort zone in the poker room.

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Re: [vpFREE] Red Earth Casino

 

Locals say it's friendly, honest and reasonably well run for a small place.

I heard the VP is certainly not 'playable', but the slot players
say it's reasonably 'loose', whatever that means.

Thanks for the post.

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>Stopped by Red Earth Casino in Sea Salton City California. I see we don't yet have a database page for this casino. This is a very small truck stop kind of casino. There are probably only about 20-30 machines with video poker. All paytables I looked at were horrible. The $5 DDB was 7/5 as an example. They do have the common California free self serve soda machines so if you are driving by and thirsty....
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[vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 2 APR 2013

 

Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 2 APR 2013

"A Wonderful Phrase"

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/0402.cfm

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[vpFREE] In room safe

 

Never stayed at Gold Coast, Sams Town, or Main Street Station. Can someone tell me if these locations have in room safes? Thanks!

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[vpFREE] Re: Luck versus Skill question for Iguana and Texas Hold'em players

 

I've been following this thread with interest and now will add some comments.

I recall reading about "Texas Hold Em Heads Up" about a year ago, quite possibly on VPFree. That post included a link to an article on the 2+2 poker forum, which I read and saved.

I recently was in Vegas and played the game at Bellagio, the Venetian, and Caesars Palace for about two hours each. It's POSSIBLE that I was a bit unlucky, but I agree with Ed Miller's earlier post to the effect that you'll get "slaughtered" if you aren't an EXPERT heads up player. I lost $500 in about five total hours of play at $2/$4 limits. As Arnold Schwarzenegger said in one of his movies, "I'll be back," but I'll do a lot of reading and play-money practicing then.

Before live limit poker was basically destroyed by the no-limit revolution, I regularly played $15-30 and $20-40 in Vegas, California, and my home state. I never a big winner, but I was a consistent annual winner at those levels. Also, the 2+2 article prepared me for the machine's extreme aggression, and "calling station" stickiness, which would be suicidal in a 9-10 player game, but are correct tactics heads-up. That background helped me, but obviously not very much.

Some notes follow.

(1) The game is 2-chips/4-chips. That means that if you choose $1 denomination, you'll be playing $2/$4 limit poker. $1 is the smallest denomination I saw, but someone else here has reported seeing a 50-cent option, in which case the limits would be $1/$2.

(2) Except for the very best heads-up players, I think it would be suicidal to try playing the game to generate offers. Bellagio doesn't even award points for play. Venetian requires $6,500 action to earn a Grazie Point. At Caesars, it seemed to be either $90 or $45 to earn a Tier Credit. Even there, you'd have to play at least the $10/$20 limit for many hours to generate decent offers. And you'd have to be good enough to at least break even while playing. I'm not.

(3)I don't think anyone else has mentioned that the game has a "peek" feature that allows you to see the opponent's cards after every hand -- even if one of you folds. When the machine folded pre-Flop, it always had unsuited hands like 9-2, 10-3 and similar -- but it OCCASIONALLY raised pre-flop with those hands. The only pre-Flop fold with a face card I saw was unsuited Q-4.

(4) As advertised, the machine is EXTREMELY aggressive pre-Flop. In position, it always raises when it doesn't fold. Even out of position, it usually raises. I had some success by just calling with good hands in the small-blind/dealer position, letting the machine raise, and then putting in a second raise myself. It seems to be a sucker for that play, but it's also possible/probable that it noted my tricky aggression and played the rest of those hands more cautiously than it otherwise would have.

(5) If I raised pre-Flop and the machine folded, it almost always had a hand that it would have folded anyway if it had that option.

(6) After all the cards are out, it seemed to at least call with any pair, any Ace, and sometimes even any King. So there's no point in bluffing unless you have an absolutely hopeless hand. There were a couple times when I bluffed successfully at the end with a missed draw (e.g., an 8-7 flush or straight draw)and got the machine to fold a "higher nothing" (e.g., Q-6).

(7) On the other side, the machine will bluff with nothing throughout the hand (but not very often at the end) and (with cards still to come) will semi-bluff with stuff as weak as an inside straight draw. It's hard for someone accustomed to 9-10 player games to call those bets without having some kind of hand. I probably should have RE-raised more often when I instead either called or folded.

I hope that those observations help someone. I do intend to play the game again and would enjoy communicating with anyone who's similarly stubborn.

The GMan

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[vpFREE] Red Earth Casino

 

Stopped by Red Earth Casino in Sea Salton City California. I see we don't yet have a database page for this casino. This is a very small truck stop kind of casino. There are probably only about 20-30 machines with video poker. All paytables I looked at were horrible. The $5 DDB was 7/5 as an example. They do have the common California free self serve soda machines so if you are driving by and thirsty....

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's Real Deals - 2 APR 2013

 

Scot Krause's Real Deals - 2 APR 2013

Las Vegas Casino bargains and promotions

http://gamingtoday.com/articles/article/40818-Identity_Members_worth_1M_at_Cosmo_Las_Vegas

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Luck versus Skill question for Iguana and Texas Hold'em players

 

Very smart...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> I used to play the 10-20 games at the Horseshoe and the Mirage. Of course you know that when you sit down in a game you either have to post a big blind or wait until the big blind gets to you....or you can wait until the blinds pass and post in 9th position, which most players do.
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> This rule of having to post or wait for the big blind was instituted because of a move by David Sklansky. Before the rule was instituted Sklansky would sit down in a game and look at cards until the big blind got to him. Then he would get up and look for an open seat at another table. When he found one he would again look at cards until the big blind got to him, then get up and look for a seat at another table, etc., etc. Sklansky never posted any blinds. LOL! When they got enough of his shenanigans they instituted the posting rule.
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This reminds me of something I used to do about ten years ago when Paradise Poker was going strong. It seemed like every morning at about 7:00 a.m. they would re-start the software. There would be a notice that a re-set was coming and to finish up your hands. Quickly, all the tables would shut down. The re-set would last for a few minutes. Well, I would try to be ready when it started up again to jump into the #2 Seat at the $20-40 game. Whenever they did this the button would automatically be placed back in Seat #1, at every table. When it started up again, the button would move into Seat #2, and become the button. So I'd take all the free hands I could get, and then cashout and go back to my $2-4 game, lol, when the blinds came. They did that almost every morning for ages. Yes, I know, shame on me for angle shooting. I must have been inspired by Sklansky's story. lol

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