[vpFREE] Re: Is JoB REALLY 99.54%?

 


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, S Merrian <sauronsboy@...> wrote:
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I was talking with a couple of CET Seven Star rated players and a very
unusual comment was brought up. One of the players is a friend of mine. The other I just met but my friend knew well. So this guy who is my friend's friend is a 'professional gambler' and was dropping a lot of names during his conversation of big-wigs at the CET, Borgata and Revel properties. He said that the JoB games in AC do not pay out the full 99.54% but closer to 91% in total payout. He says he has this confirmed from gaming heads at these casinos but I find it hard to believe.

Wow, 91% is hard to believe. Even if you short coin ( -1.375%) you would still have to give up over 7% in play errors. That's tough to do in jacks or better.

So, if AC is really holding more than 8% on JOB, they could put in much better games and still make money. I think they should put in 10/7/50 DB and 17/10 loose deuces. With a player return 8% below optimal, why not?

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RE: [vpFREE] Help With VP for Winners

 


You might want to take a look at www.jazbo.com

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> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:46:57 +0000
> Subject: [vpFREE] Help With VP for Winners
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> How many hands per hour do I use to calculate the risk of ruin, cost of royal etc. (my EV in general) on a triple play machine. If I do 800 hands per hour do I multiply by 3?
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[vpFREE] Re: Is JoB REALLY 99.54%?

 

Maybe the software now rates casino hold for each game on the machine?

Saw that happen over the years including at Mohegan and LV Hilton.

Last year, Mohegan eliminated points on machines if even one game had an E.V. of ~98%. Curiously, the no points signs appear to attract people that figure the games must be better (and some are). But a lot of these folks are gambling one coin at a time on the games that are much less than 98%.

At the Vegas Hilton, guests discovered the 9/6 JB had almost no theo hold when they got downgraded in club status. Funny thing was the ~100% EV game(s) theo stayed at around 3%.

And here in Boston, the casino commission is taking applications from prosepective licensee's. The application fee is $400K.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, S Merrian <sauronsboy@> wrote:
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> > I was talkingwith a couple of CET Seven Star rated players and a
> > very unusual comment was brought up. One of the players is a friend
> > of mine. The other I just met but my friend knew well. So this guy
> > who is my friend's friend is a 'professional gambler' and was
> > dropping a lot of names during his conversation of big-wigs at the
> > CET, Borgata and Revel properties. He said that the JoB games in AC
> > do not pay out the full 99.54% but closer to 91% in total payout.
> > He says he has this confirmed from gaming heads at these casinos
> > but I find it hard to believe.
>
> Adding to other observations here, I have to express surprise that your well informed friend (and friend of friend) aren't aware that CET has set the theoretical earn on machines with 9/6 Jacks in the AC properties to 0.46% -- a rate that suggests that these machines get nothing but precision play, and that no one ever plays the lesser return games on these machines.
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> Surely the "professional gambler" is all too acutely aware that play on these machines now returns next to nothing to the player in the form of benefits.
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> Now, that wouldn't be the case if CET really held 9% of every wager on average on these machines, would it?
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[vpFREE] Bonus Poker inventory at Rincon

 

The 8/5 bonus, with regular 4oK scheds are throughout the casino in .25, .50, 1. 2. & 5. dollars. 5 thru K 40k pays 125. 2s,3s, &4s pay $200. and Aces pays $400. A very good addition was the $2. denom in nearly all floor machines. There are a few "Bonus Poker" machines that pay $175 for all quads in the high limit. I am in a wheelchair so don't play bar tops. Did get an 8M royal couple weeks ago ending a very long drought.
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Re: [vpFREE] Help With VP for Winners

 

I don't know the answer to your question but I know the answer is no... Because of what we call "co-variance" which is associated with multiplay machines.

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On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:46 PM, "depbonus" <depbonus@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[vpFREE] Help With VP for Winners

 

How many hands per hour do I use to calculate the risk of ruin, cost of royal etc. (my EV in general) on a triple play machine. If I do 800 hands per hour do I multiply by 3?

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[vpFREE] Re: Is JoB REALLY 99.54%?

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, S Merrian <sauronsboy@...> wrote:
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> I was talkingwith a couple of CET Seven Star rated players and a
> very unusual comment was brought up. One of the players is a friend
> of mine. The other I just met but my friend knew well. So this guy
> who is my friend's friend is a 'professional gambler' and was
> dropping a lot of names during his conversation of big-wigs at the
> CET, Borgata and Revel properties. He said that the JoB games in AC
> do not pay out the full 99.54% but closer to 91% in total payout.
> He says he has this confirmed from gaming heads at these casinos
> but I find it hard to believe.

Adding to other observations here, I have to express surprise that your well informed friend (and friend of friend) aren't aware that CET has set the theoretical earn on machines with 9/6 Jacks in the AC properties to 0.46% -- a rate that suggests that these machines get nothing but precision play, and that no one ever plays the lesser return games on these machines.

Surely the "professional gambler" is all too acutely aware that play on these machines now returns next to nothing to the player in the form of benefits.

Now, that wouldn't be the case if CET really held 9% of every wager on average on these machines, would it?

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[vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 8 AUG 2012

 

Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 8 AUG 2012

"A Look at KTx"

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2012/0807.cfm

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's Real Deals - 7 AUG 2012

Scot Krause's Real Deals - 7 AUG 2012

Silverton Casino kicks off 'Cruisin' for Cabo & Cash'

http://gamingtoday.com/articles/article/37313-Silverton_Casino_kicks_off_Cruisin_for_Cabo_Cash

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[vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 7 AUG 2012

 

LVA Question of the Day - 7 AUG 2012

Q: Right before the Lion habitat at MGM closed, I had my
picture taken with a cub, and the owner, Keith Evans, told
me he would be opening his ranch outside of Vegas to
visitors. I have not been able to find out any information
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RE: [vpFREE] Is JoB REALLY 99.54%?

 


"In addition, I read that all
games that emulate card games (VP, video blackjack) certified in Nevada
must not be capable of non-random operation at all."

Not sure exactly what you mean by "certified in Nevada" but there is a belief by many people
that if a machine is manufactured in Nevada that it is a random deal. That is not true.
At the present time, the Nevada law only states that a machine manufactured in Nevada must be legal
in the state where it is shipped to.

> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: echlist@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:20:29 -0500
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Is JoB REALLY 99.54%?
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> On 8/6/2012 9:33 PM, S Merrian wrote:
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> > This would mean that the deal and draw are not random off of a standard
> > deck but would have to be fixed. It changes the game completely to a slot
> > machine. Is there any way what he's saying is possible? I just don't
> > believe it.
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> As others have pointed out, what the casino makes is higher than the
> theoretical payback due to strategy errors and other suboptimal play.
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> Also, as I understand it, all VP games in Nevada and New Jersey must be
> random and draw from a 52 or 53 card deck. In addition, I read that all
> games that emulate card games (VP, video blackjack) certified in Nevada
> must not be capable of non-random operation at all. (There is a
> blackjack machine made in Japan that has a selectable expectation and
> therefore is non-random.)
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